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BillyTheCat
12/13/2016 8:00 AM
Diversion program and have to return their share of the robbery proceeds, then Felony 1 charges will be dropped.
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SBH
12/13/2016 8:02 AM
Unless there are extenuating circumstances, I can't believe we would welcome these kids back.
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BillyTheCat
12/13/2016 8:17 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Diversion program and have to return their share of the robbery proceeds, then Felony 1 charges will be dropped.
Glad these young men have this behind them and can now move on. Good to see our justice system at work!
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colobobcat66
12/13/2016 8:48 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Diversion program and have to return their share of the robbery proceeds, then Felony 1 charges will be dropped.
Glad these young men have this behind them and can now move on. Good to see our justice system at work!
Did anyone think that the "dealers" were going to testify in this case? Not surprised at the outcome.

I'd have to think long and hard about allowing them back on the team, but we do have a felon on it now so you never know.
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C Money
12/13/2016 9:21 AM
See? Not bandanas...Batman masks.

They need a year off from football, minimum, and loss of scholarship. The Windham situation set the precedent. If they can earn their way back on, great for them, but they should have to take the long road.
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Buckeye to Bobcat
12/13/2016 9:51 AM
I missed this, who are we referring to here?
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Alan Swank
12/13/2016 11:57 AM
So let me get this straight. You force your way into an apartment armed with brass knuckles and a broom stick, you threaten the occupants with their life, you steal from them and when caught, the prosecutor says no problem. Do 150 hours of community service starting at a local school tomorrow, forfeit your share of what you stole, we'll let you keep your car but pay $1200, and after that, you're a free man and nothing ever happened. Justice in Athens County.
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TheRealMikeDrake
12/13/2016 11:58 AM
I hope this doesn't get any worse, but from the Messenger this morning in the article about Ready's plea deal:

Steve Robb, Athens Messenger wrote:expand_more
Blackburn also said a related investigation is still underway.

“We are currently investigating third parties who may be involved in conspiracy after the fact,” Blackburn said, but would not elaborate.
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colobobcat66
12/13/2016 12:41 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
So let me get this straight. You force your way into an apartment armed with brass knuckles and a broom stick, you threaten the occupants with their life, you steal from them and when caught, the prosecutor says no problem. Do 150 hours of community service starting at a local school tomorrow, forfeit your share of what you stole, we'll let you keep your car but pay $1200, and after that, you're a free man and nothing ever happened. Justice in Athens County.
Alan,
If you don't like the results, run for DA and then you can call the shots. Get over it, move on. You don't know all the facts, and maybe there are more appropriate crimes on which to spend the public's money.
Last Edited: 12/13/2016 12:44:17 PM by colobobcat66
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Kevin Finnegan
12/13/2016 4:07 PM
Here's the thing...if this happened in Tuscaloosa or Columbus, everybody would be saying the football players were getting off because of who they are. I'm not saying that's what happened, but if we were a bigger place, that certainly would be the perception. Three kids were being held, had a $50,000 bond, were being charged with serious felonies, and in less than a week, the charges are dropped/reduced. There's likely much more to this story, but it certainly smells fishy.
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Ohio69
12/13/2016 4:22 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
So let me get this straight. You force your way into an apartment armed with brass knuckles and a broom stick, you threaten the occupants with their life, you steal from them and when caught, the prosecutor says no problem. Do 150 hours of community service starting at a local school tomorrow, forfeit your share of what you stole, we'll let you keep your car but pay $1200, and after that, you're a free man and nothing ever happened. Justice in Athens County.
I'm guessing it is more complicated than this.
Last Edited: 12/14/2016 8:17:41 AM by Ohio69
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SBH
12/13/2016 4:38 PM
If they are welcomed back to the team, I think it's fair to expect an explanation from the AD and coach.
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BillyTheCat
12/13/2016 5:17 PM
finnOhio wrote:expand_more
Here's the thing...if this happened in Tuscaloosa or Columbus, everybody would be saying the football players were getting off because of who they are. I'm not saying that's what happened, but if we were a bigger place, that certainly would be the perception. Three kids were being held, had a $50,000 bond, were being charged with serious felonies, and in less than a week, the charges are dropped/reduced. There's likely much more to this story, but it certainly smells fishy.
Charges were not dropped, the one yesterday just plead guilty to the F1 Felony, and that was his penalty. So yeah, the prosecutor stated in the paper in his interview about the seriousness of the crimes and then cuts a deal that requires less punishment than a OVI which is a misdemeanor crime.
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Alan Swank
12/13/2016 8:57 PM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
So let me get this straight. You force your way into an apartment armed with brass knuckles and a broom stick, you threaten the occupants with their life, you steal from them and when caught, the prosecutor says no problem. Do 150 hours of community service starting at a local school tomorrow, forfeit your share of what you stole, we'll let you keep your car but pay $1200, and after that, you're a free man and nothing ever happened. Justice in Athens County.
Alan,
If you don't like the results, run for DA and then you can call the shots. Get over it, move on. You don't know all the facts, and maybe there are more appropriate crimes on which to spend the public's money.
Really. I bet you'd be calling for a more serious punishment had it been your house. See Billy's latest post for more information.
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OhioCatFan
12/13/2016 9:47 PM
This does sound fishy. It would be interesting to find out how the parents and their lawyers got involved in the case. Seems like they are getting more lenient treatment than other players in the past who migh have come from less affluent backgrounds than some of the present perps. The law should be no respecter of persons.
Last Edited: 12/13/2016 11:02:02 PM by OhioCatFan
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colobobcat66
12/13/2016 10:11 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
So let me get this straight. You force your way into an apartment armed with brass knuckles and a broom stick, you threaten the occupants with their life, you steal from them and when caught, the prosecutor says no problem. Do 150 hours of community service starting at a local school tomorrow, forfeit your share of what you stole, we'll let you keep your car but pay $1200, and after that, you're a free man and nothing ever happened. Justice in Athens County.
Alan,
If you don't like the results, run for DA and then you can call the shots. Get over it, move on. You don't know all the facts, and maybe there are more appropriate crimes on which to spend the public's money.
Really. I bet you'd be calling for a more serious punishment had it been your house. See Billy's latest post for more information.
I had felony theft committed against me and the guy got off with less than what this seems to be and I wanted more for the guy, but I'm not a drug dealer either. Circumstances need to be taken into account, and I'm not privy to all the facts in this case and I doubt anybody on here is either.
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BillyTheCat
12/13/2016 10:25 PM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
So let me get this straight. You force your way into an apartment armed with brass knuckles and a broom stick, you threaten the occupants with their life, you steal from them and when caught, the prosecutor says no problem. Do 150 hours of community service starting at a local school tomorrow, forfeit your share of what you stole, we'll let you keep your car but pay $1200, and after that, you're a free man and nothing ever happened. Justice in Athens County.
Alan,
If you don't like the results, run for DA and then you can call the shots. Get over it, move on. You don't know all the facts, and maybe there are more appropriate crimes on which to spend the public's money.
Really. I bet you'd be calling for a more serious punishment had it been your house. See Billy's latest post for more information.
I had felony theft committed against me and the guy got off with less than what this seems to be and I wanted more for the guy, but I'm not a drug dealer either. Circumstances need to be taken into account, and I'm not privy to all the facts in this case and I doubt anybody on here is either.
What level of felony? And were the circumstances "aggravated", because we know that was exactly what the prosecutor charged these people with, 1st degree felony. The prosecution even stated that again when talking about the other defendant, aggravated with the threat of killing the occupants in the apartment.
Last Edited: 12/13/2016 10:27:23 PM by BillyTheCat
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allen
12/13/2016 10:27 PM
Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
So let me get this straight. You force your way into an apartment armed with brass knuckles and a broom stick, you threaten the occupants with their life, you steal from them and when caught, the prosecutor says no problem. Do 150 hours of community service starting at a local school tomorrow, forfeit your share of what you stole, we'll let you keep your car but pay $1200, and after that, you're a free man and nothing ever happened. Justice in Athens County.
I'm guessing it is more complicated that this.

yes no drug dealer is going to go to the police and say I got robbed. Something probably occurred and the DA did not have a strong enough case to proceed, so he took the easy win. The DA's future rest on his win and lost record, so they have to make deals. This was not Steve Hookfin that they were giving back, so lets wait for the facts. They probably should and will lose their schollies if any of this is true
Last Edited: 12/13/2016 10:34:28 PM by allen
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allen
12/13/2016 10:30 PM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
So let me get this straight. You force your way into an apartment armed with brass knuckles and a broom stick, you threaten the occupants with their life, you steal from them and when caught, the prosecutor says no problem. Do 150 hours of community service starting at a local school tomorrow, forfeit your share of what you stole, we'll let you keep your car but pay $1200, and after that, you're a free man and nothing ever happened. Justice in Athens County.
Alan,
If you don't like the results, run for DA and then you can call the shots. Get over it, move on. You don't know all the facts, and maybe there are more appropriate crimes on which to spend the public's money.
Really. I bet you'd be calling for a more serious punishment had it been your house. See Billy's latest post for more information.
I had felony theft committed against me and the guy got off with less than what this seems to be and I wanted more for the guy, but I'm not a drug dealer either. Circumstances need to be taken into account, and I'm not privy to all the facts in this case and I doubt anybody on here is either.
justification wi7ness or a colorful imagination.
Last Edited: 12/13/2016 11:11:57 PM by allen
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colobobcat66
12/13/2016 10:31 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
So let me get this straight. You force your way into an apartment armed with brass knuckles and a broom stick, you threaten the occupants with their life, you steal from them and when caught, the prosecutor says no problem. Do 150 hours of community service starting at a local school tomorrow, forfeit your share of what you stole, we'll let you keep your car but pay $1200, and after that, you're a free man and nothing ever happened. Justice in Athens County.
Alan,
If you don't like the results, run for DA and then you can call the shots. Get over it, move on. You don't know all the facts, and maybe there are more appropriate crimes on which to spend the public's money.
Really. I bet you'd be calling for a more serious punishment had it been your house. See Billy's latest post for more information.
I had felony theft committed against me and the guy got off with less than what this seems to be and I wanted more for the guy, but I'm not a drug dealer either. Circumstances need to be taken into account, and I'm not privy to all the facts in this case and I doubt anybody on here is either.
What level of felony? And we're the circumstances "aggravated", because we know that was exactly what the prosecutor charged these people with, 1st degree felony.
Hey, it wasn't the same as this situation, but I'm just saying that the DA has wide lattitude when figuring out how he/she prosecutes crimes. Why are folks so intent in making a bigger case out of this than a prosecutor wants to? What's the point? Move on.
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BillyTheCat
12/14/2016 7:55 AM
allen wrote:expand_more
So let me get this straight. You force your way into an apartment armed with brass knuckles and a broom stick, you threaten the occupants with their life, you steal from them and when caught, the prosecutor says no problem. Do 150 hours of community service starting at a local school tomorrow, forfeit your share of what you stole, we'll let you keep your car but pay $1200, and after that, you're a free man and nothing ever happened. Justice in Athens County.
I'm guessing it is more complicated that this.

yes no drug dealer is going to go to the police and say I got robbed. Something probably occurred and the DA did not have a strong enough case to proceed, so he took the easy win. The DA's future rest on his win and lost record, so they have to make deals. This was not Steve Hookfin that they were giving back, so lets wait for the facts. They probably should and will lose their schollies if any of this is true
Can anyone read the actual reports and news articles? The officers caught them red-handed. They were on premise when the event occurred. These guys (one right now) just got a sweetheart deal. The question some have is why?
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Ohio69
12/14/2016 8:23 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
So let me get this straight. You force your way into an apartment armed with brass knuckles and a broom stick, you threaten the occupants with their life, you steal from them and when caught, the prosecutor says no problem. Do 150 hours of community service starting at a local school tomorrow, forfeit your share of what you stole, we'll let you keep your car but pay $1200, and after that, you're a free man and nothing ever happened. Justice in Athens County.
I'm guessing it is more complicated that this.

yes no drug dealer is going to go to the police and say I got robbed. Something probably occurred and the DA did not have a strong enough case to proceed, so he took the easy win. The DA's future rest on his win and lost record, so they have to make deals. This was not Steve Hookfin that they were giving back, so lets wait for the facts. They probably should and will lose their schollies if any of this is true
Can anyone read the actual reports and news articles? The officers caught them red-handed. They were on premise when the event occurred. These guys (one right now) just got a sweetheart deal. The question some have is why?

A long time ago I sat in court waiting to argue a reckless operation ticket (I was right, but lost anyway) and watched two young kids get basically the same fine as me plus community service after being caught with a rather large amount of marijuana. So I called a lawyer I know to complain. He guessed that those two kids had a good lawyer, no previous record, and some information the prosecutor wanted. He then told me if I ever was arrested to lawyer up and never say a word. Else that good lawyer won't be able to do anything. I'll add that my guess is the charges were never gonna stick at that level. But, I am no lawyer....
Last Edited: 12/14/2016 8:27:03 AM by Ohio69
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C Money
12/14/2016 8:52 AM
Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
A long time ago I sat in court waiting to argue a reckless operation ticket (I was right, but lost anyway) and watched two young kids get basically the same fine as me plus community service after being caught with a rather large amount of marijuana. So I called a lawyer I know to complain. He guessed that those two kids had a good lawyer, no previous record, and some information the prosecutor wanted. He then told me if I ever was arrested to lawyer up and never say a word. Else that good lawyer won't be able to do anything. I'll add that my guess is the charges were never gonna stick at that level. But, I am no lawyer....
I don't practice criminal law, but when people ask me what to do in the event they are pulled over, I tell them two pieces of advice:
1. Be courteous, but exercise your right to remain silent.
2. Never consent to the search.

My law partner, who is a former county prosecutor, adds: "Cops lie."
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The Optimist
12/14/2016 8:55 AM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
You force your way into an apartment armed with brass knuckles and a broom stick, you threaten the occupants with their life, you steal from them and when caught, the prosecutor says no problem.
Do you have any proof this is what happened?
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Alan Swank
12/14/2016 9:03 AM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more
You force your way into an apartment armed with brass knuckles and a broom stick, you threaten the occupants with their life, you steal from them and when caught, the prosecutor says no problem.
Do you have any proof this is what happened?
Just reporting what the two news organizations in town reported in their printed articles and various law enforcement officers are quoted as saying.

http://www.athensnews.com/news/local/third-ou-student-ath...
Last Edited: 12/14/2016 9:07:29 AM by Alan Swank
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