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GoCats105
12/5/2016 11:14 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
DO NOT let that published list draw your conclusions about who is giving or how much they are giving. To be in the OBC your contributions have to be "un-restricted" to the general fund for money to be used as you see fit. For example if you donated a $1,000 to the Football Locker Room fund or $500 for the women's locker room fund you will not get OBC credit. If you gave $10K for the academic center you would still not get any OBC credit. So there are many donors out there who remain anonymous from this published list.
+1

This is, unfortunately true. I think it's an issue that needs to be reviewed by the powers that be. IMHO, if someone gives a million bucks for the academic center they ought to automatically be an OBC member for life. Actually, I'd put the cutoff for life membership somewhat lower than one million. But, you get the idea.
I wasn't even aware this was the case. That's nuts that you're not automatically an OBC member if you give a certain amount.
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OhioCatFan
12/5/2016 11:16 AM
Well, this year we beat two teams with .500 or better records, and we might just make it three. ;-)
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bshot44
12/5/2016 11:35 AM
Recovering Journalist wrote:expand_more
Here's why a lot of us say it's mediocre: 2-10. That's our record against FBS teams that have finished the season with a winning record over the last three years. That's the measuring stick I have for quality. Not winning the pathetic MAC East. Not winning seven or eight games. Not moral victories. How do we stack up against good FBS teams? The clear answer is not very well.
http://i.imgur.com/m4119Ba.gif

Pretty much how I picture this conversation going with folks who "ignore" that 2-10 mark.
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Mike Johnson
12/5/2016 12:41 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
DO NOT let that published list draw your conclusions about who is giving or how much they are giving. To be in the OBC your contributions have to be "un-restricted" to the general fund for money to be used as you see fit. For example if you donated a $1,000 to the Football Locker Room fund or $500 for the women's locker room fund you will not get OBC credit. If you gave $10K for the academic center you would still not get any OBC credit. So there are many donors out there who remain anonymous from this published list.
+1

This is, unfortunately true. I think it's an issue that needs to be reviewed by the powers that be. IMHO, if someone gives a million bucks for the academic center they ought to automatically be an OBC member for life. Actually, I'd put the cutoff for life membership somewhat lower than one million. But, you get the idea.
I wasn't even aware this was the case. That's nuts that you're not automatically an OBC member if you give a certain amount.
Another point of view. I could care less about seeing my name on any OBC list. In fact, when I give unrestricted money to the OBC, I include a note stating that I don't want any resulting OBC benefits (i.e., points). That's because I want 100% - not 80% - of my gift to be tax deductible.

Plus there are BAers who give to Ohio departments other than Athletics/OBC and don't show up on a list - which, again, is fine by me.
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Alan Swank
12/5/2016 12:59 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
DO NOT let that published list draw your conclusions about who is giving or how much they are giving. To be in the OBC your contributions have to be "un-restricted" to the general fund for money to be used as you see fit. For example if you donated a $1,000 to the Football Locker Room fund or $500 for the women's locker room fund you will not get OBC credit. If you gave $10K for the academic center you would still not get any OBC credit. So there are many donors out there who remain anonymous from this published list.
+1

This is, unfortunately true. I think it's an issue that needs to be reviewed by the powers that be. IMHO, if someone gives a million bucks for the academic center they ought to automatically be an OBC member for life. Actually, I'd put the cutoff for life membership somewhat lower than one million. But, you get the idea.
We used to give to volleyball including the most recent locker room enhancement and those dollars used to count towards the obi payment. When Jim changed that, the money for volleyball dried up. We all have budgets and unfortunately mine didn't include a sport and the obi and as Mike said other OU departments and programs.
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CA Bobcat
12/5/2016 1:10 PM
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Buckey to Bobcat--thanks for basically saying what I've been saying for 2-3 years.

I guess most here aren't rationally able to get past the messenger to hear the message. Great thinking going on here. Sad--it's okay if someone else says it but I get told to F off or that the players would gladly beat me up...And I'm the problem?!!

Bcat2 reminding us that we were one play away from winning the MACC... totally, of course, missing the 0-4 MACCs and no season in 12 with less than 4 losses. You can see why he or she is greatly ignored here on this board.

CAbobcat--Someone already answered part of your 'contribute in proportion to your mouth' thought.

I agree that the alumni/friend giving (academic and otherwise) seems sorry given the general affinity for OHIO UNIVERSITY held by so many.

But your thought raises this question: How do you know what anyone here contributes?



mid70s--one of the leaders of the ToleratingMediocrityBunch.
I have no idea who most people are on this board so I couldn't possibly know who contributed what however if you visit the OBC website or look at a game program (likely requires attending a game), you'll see who is giving what. I think the OBC staff works hard and has made a lot of progress over the years but damn, the giving at the higher levels is embarrassingly low. We don't have more "fans" out there with deeper pockets?

DO NOT let that published list draw your conclusions about who is giving or how much they are giving. To be in the OBC your contributions have to be "un-restricted" to the general fund for money to be used as you see fit. For example if you donated a $1,000 to the Football Locker Room fund or $500 for the women's locker room fund you will not get OBC credit. If you gave $10K for the academic center you would still not get any OBC credit. So there are many donors out there who remain anonymous from this published list.
Trust me, I know. I've given thousands and thousands of dollars to projects that don't count toward OBC. I'm specifically talking about the fact that even with project related giving, we still don't have more than 10 people who can shell out $10k per year to OBC. It's now going to $12,5k so we'll see if the list dwindles to single digits at Legend level.
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Monroe Slavin
12/5/2016 1:55 PM
CA Bobcat wrote:expand_more
Buckey to Bobcat--thanks for basically saying what I've been saying for 2-3 years.

I guess most here aren't rationally able to get past the messenger to hear the message. Great thinking going on here. Sad--it's okay if someone else says it but I get told to F off or that the players would gladly beat me up...And I'm the problem?!!

Bcat2 reminding us that we were one play away from winning the MACC... totally, of course, missing the 0-4 MACCs and no season in 12 with less than 4 losses. You can see why he or she is greatly ignored here on this board.

CAbobcat--Someone already answered part of your 'contribute in proportion to your mouth' thought.

I agree that the alumni/friend giving (academic and otherwise) seems sorry given the general affinity for OHIO UNIVERSITY held by so many.

But your thought raises this question: How do you know what anyone here contributes?



mid70s--one of the leaders of the ToleratingMediocrityBunch.
I have no idea who most people are on this board so I couldn't possibly know who contributed what however if you visit the OBC website or look at a game program (likely requires attending a game), you'll see who is giving what. I think the OBC staff works hard and has made a lot of progress over the years but damn, the giving at the higher levels is embarrassingly low. We don't have more "fans" out there with deeper pockets?

DO NOT let that published list draw your conclusions about who is giving or how much they are giving. To be in the OBC your contributions have to be "un-restricted" to the general fund for money to be used as you see fit. For example if you donated a $1,000 to the Football Locker Room fund or $500 for the women's locker room fund you will not get OBC credit. If you gave $10K for the academic center you would still not get any OBC credit. So there are many donors out there who remain anonymous from this published list.
Trust me, I know. I've given thousands and thousands of dollars to projects that don't count toward OBC. I'm specifically talking about the fact that even with project related giving, we still don't have more than 10 people who can shell out $10k per year to OBC. It's now going to $12,5k so we'll see if the list dwindles to single digits at Legend level.

"Trust me, I know." Nice Trump speak.
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Monroe Slavin
12/5/2016 1:56 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Some of you guys are a remarkable putz.

First, where do you get 8-4? We are 8-5.

The last 17 games, 'ey?

Hey, if we're being selective, why don't we add three more games. Then, we go from 11-6 to 11-9 with the three added games being losses by 35, 24, and 38.


Look, at some point one must draw a line. But mine seems more fair, more inclusive. In 12 years no MACC and since the loss to Miami in 2012 we have not been very good.

I concede that Solich was doing quite a good job until then. But since that point (and including that loss to Miami), we are 31-26.

And the cupcake quality of the schedule must be considered. Gardner Webb, anyone?


Now, the narrative is that we are improving.

Maybe-- but where was the acknowledgement that we were regressing for a while...in the weakest division of the weakest conference against cupcakes.

And, let's hope we beat Troy. Because if we don't, then this year's record will be worse than last year's.

Consecutive five loss seasons against the cupcake side is stunning improvement. Gotta think Alabama and OSU and USC will be knocking on our staff's door any moment.


Now, go on, get into your denial. Get into it. Refuse to recognize the facts. Get into it.



Next year we lose Smith, Reid, several first and 2nd team All-MAC defenders, unsettled at qb--gotta think that we're the MACC favorite.


And the response is thunderous silence.
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CA Bobcat
12/5/2016 5:11 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Buckey to Bobcat--thanks for basically saying what I've been saying for 2-3 years.

I guess most here aren't rationally able to get past the messenger to hear the message. Great thinking going on here. Sad--it's okay if someone else says it but I get told to F off or that the players would gladly beat me up...And I'm the problem?!!

Bcat2 reminding us that we were one play away from winning the MACC... totally, of course, missing the 0-4 MACCs and no season in 12 with less than 4 losses. You can see why he or she is greatly ignored here on this board.

CAbobcat--Someone already answered part of your 'contribute in proportion to your mouth' thought.

I agree that the alumni/friend giving (academic and otherwise) seems sorry given the general affinity for OHIO UNIVERSITY held by so many.

But your thought raises this question: How do you know what anyone here contributes?



mid70s--one of the leaders of the ToleratingMediocrityBunch.
I have no idea who most people are on this board so I couldn't possibly know who contributed what however if you visit the OBC website or look at a game program (likely requires attending a game), you'll see who is giving what. I think the OBC staff works hard and has made a lot of progress over the years but damn, the giving at the higher levels is embarrassingly low. We don't have more "fans" out there with deeper pockets?

DO NOT let that published list draw your conclusions about who is giving or how much they are giving. To be in the OBC your contributions have to be "un-restricted" to the general fund for money to be used as you see fit. For example if you donated a $1,000 to the Football Locker Room fund or $500 for the women's locker room fund you will not get OBC credit. If you gave $10K for the academic center you would still not get any OBC credit. So there are many donors out there who remain anonymous from this published list.
Trust me, I know. I've given thousands and thousands of dollars to projects that don't count toward OBC. I'm specifically talking about the fact that even with project related giving, we still don't have more than 10 people who can shell out $10k per year to OBC. It's now going to $12,5k so we'll see if the list dwindles to single digits at Legend level.

"Trust me, I know." Nice Trump speak.
Yep, like, trust me, I know you don't actually attend OHIO sporting events.
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Monroe Slavin
12/5/2016 5:28 PM
Truly, one's remarks must be disregarded if one doesn't attend every game, or at least the minimal amount set by CABobcat.

My man!
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CA Bobcat
12/5/2016 5:33 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Truly, one's remarks must be disregarded if one doesn't attend every game, or at least the minimal amount set by CABobcat.

My man!
Would love to know which of the 13 football games we've played this year you've attended. I'm all ears.
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Bcat2
12/5/2016 7:03 PM
CA Bobcat wrote:expand_more
Truly, one's remarks must be disregarded if one doesn't attend every game, or at least the minimal amount set by CABobcat.

My man!
Would love to know which of the 13 football games we've played this year you've attended. I'm all ears.
I wonder how many not graduates of Ohio, who are supporters of Ohio because of coach Solich attend more games than Monroe? I saw at least 20 at the Kansas game.
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bshot44
12/5/2016 7:15 PM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
Truly, one's remarks must be disregarded if one doesn't attend every game, or at least the minimal amount set by CABobcat.

My man!
Would love to know which of the 13 football games we've played this year you've attended. I'm all ears.
I wonder how many not graduates of Ohio, who are supporters of Ohio because of coach Solich attend more games than Monroe? I saw at least 20 at the Kansas game.
I was at Kansas....not because I support Solich. I was there because I support Ohio University football....no matter who the coach is.
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CA Bobcat
12/5/2016 7:46 PM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
Truly, one's remarks must be disregarded if one doesn't attend every game, or at least the minimal amount set by CABobcat.

My man!
Would love to know which of the 13 football games we've played this year you've attended. I'm all ears.
I wonder how many not graduates of Ohio, who are supporters of Ohio because of coach Solich attend more games than Monroe? I saw at least 20 at the Kansas game.
I've asked Monroe several times if he attends games and he always goes radio silent...telling.
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Bcat2
12/5/2016 8:29 PM
CA Bobcat wrote:expand_more
Truly, one's remarks must be disregarded if one doesn't attend every game, or at least the minimal amount set by CABobcat.

My man!
Would love to know which of the 13 football games we've played this year you've attended. I'm all ears.
I wonder how many not graduates of Ohio, who are supporters of Ohio because of coach Solich attend more games than Monroe? I saw at least 20 at the Kansas game.
I've asked Monroe several times if he attends games and he always goes radio silent...telling.
Yes. ....telling.
Last Edited: 12/5/2016 8:37:45 PM by Bcat2
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Monroe Slavin
12/5/2016 8:39 PM
Yes credibility can only be from attending live. No other way.



This is the product of a college education?
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BillyTheCat
12/6/2016 7:37 AM
CA Bobcat wrote:expand_more
Truly, one's remarks must be disregarded if one doesn't attend every game, or at least the minimal amount set by CABobcat.

My man!
Would love to know which of the 13 football games we've played this year you've attended. I'm all ears.
I wonder how many not graduates of Ohio, who are supporters of Ohio because of coach Solich attend more games than Monroe? I saw at least 20 at the Kansas game.
I've asked Monroe several times if he attends games and he always goes radio silent...telling.
The guy lives in L.A., is a regular season ticket holder and has made an effort to attend games. Just because Monroe has a different view of where the program is heading does not mean that he is not a Bobcat fan, or a good person.
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GoCats105
12/6/2016 8:02 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Truly, one's remarks must be disregarded if one doesn't attend every game, or at least the minimal amount set by CABobcat.

My man!
Would love to know which of the 13 football games we've played this year you've attended. I'm all ears.
I wonder how many not graduates of Ohio, who are supporters of Ohio because of coach Solich attend more games than Monroe? I saw at least 20 at the Kansas game.
I've asked Monroe several times if he attends games and he always goes radio silent...telling.
The guy lives in L.A., is a regular season ticket holder and has made an effort to attend games. Just because Monroe has a different view of where the program is heading does not mean that he is not a Bobcat fan, or a good person.
You're wrong Billy. You have to attend games in person to be TRUE fan. You don't bleed Bobcat green until you've smelled Frank's stinky farts from the STANDS.

Jesus. We sound like the obnoxious NFL fan who spends his entire salary on season tickets.
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Recovering Journalist
12/6/2016 8:31 AM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Here's why a lot of us say it's mediocre: 2-10. That's our record against FBS teams that have finished the season with a winning record over the last three years. That's the measuring stick I have for quality. Not winning the pathetic MAC East. Not winning seven or eight games. Not moral victories. How do we stack up against good FBS teams? The clear answer is not very well.
http://i.imgur.com/m4119Ba.gif

Pretty much how I picture this conversation going with folks who "ignore" that 2-10 mark.
Since no one has risen to this bait, I'll chum the waters a bit. I went back another year to 2013. Since then, we are 3-14 against FBS teams that finished with a winning record. Less than one win per year over the last four years. Two of those wins are Marshall and one is this year's win at Toledo. This program's consistency is a mirage.
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bornacatfan
12/6/2016 9:23 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Truly, one's remarks must be disregarded if one doesn't attend every game, or at least the minimal amount set by CABobcat.

My man!
Would love to know which of the 13 football games we've played this year you've attended. I'm all ears.
I wonder how many not graduates of Ohio, who are supporters of Ohio because of coach Solich attend more games than Monroe? I saw at least 20 at the Kansas game.
I've asked Monroe several times if he attends games and he always goes radio silent...telling.
The guy lives in L.A., is a regular season ticket holder and has made an effort to attend games. Just because Monroe has a different view of where the program is heading does not mean that he is not a Bobcat fan, or a good person.
I'm afraid I have to agree. Living far away and watching games via webcasts and espn broadcasts while donating to the program, buying season Bobcat Black seats knowing you may not get to use them and then auctioning them off and donating the proceeds back to the program makes you a pretty good Bobcat. Seats are filled, opens the opportunity for lots of others to experience a game at the Black level and may lead to more giving. College and program both benefit doubly from the experience... many may no like the message or the delivery that comes with the fandom but hard to say "be there or shut up" as there are more Bobcats out there in faraway places that support and love their Bobs. Seems like we would want more fans from living outside the "we live in Appalachia" area filling gaps and making up for the long standing lament. Back to the regularly scheduled rant and in fighting...
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GoCats105
12/6/2016 9:25 AM
Recovering Journalist wrote:expand_more
Here's why a lot of us say it's mediocre: 2-10. That's our record against FBS teams that have finished the season with a winning record over the last three years. That's the measuring stick I have for quality. Not winning the pathetic MAC East. Not winning seven or eight games. Not moral victories. How do we stack up against good FBS teams? The clear answer is not very well.
http://i.imgur.com/m4119Ba.gif

Pretty much how I picture this conversation going with folks who "ignore" that 2-10 mark.
Since no one has risen to this bait, I'll chum the waters a bit. I went back another year to 2013. Since then, we are 3-14 against FBS teams that finished with a winning record. Less than one win per year over the last four years. Two of those wins are Marshall and one is this year's win at Toledo. This program's consistency is a mirage.
I don't want to do this but I have to do this.

All-time finish in Solich regime versus opponents who finished with a winning record: 19-45. Only one season did Ohio finish with a better than .500 record versus winning record opponents, in 2011.
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Bcat2
12/6/2016 10:05 AM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Here's why a lot of us say it's mediocre: 2-10. That's our record against FBS teams that have finished the season with a winning record over the last three years. That's the measuring stick I have for quality. Not winning the pathetic MAC East. Not winning seven or eight games. Not moral victories. How do we stack up against good FBS teams? The clear answer is not very well.
http://i.imgur.com/m4119Ba.gif

Pretty much how I picture this conversation going with folks who "ignore" that 2-10 mark.
Since no one has risen to this bait, I'll chum the waters a bit. I went back another year to 2013. Since then, we are 3-14 against FBS teams that finished with a winning record. Less than one win per year over the last four years. Two of those wins are Marshall and one is this year's win at Toledo. This program's consistency is a mirage.
I don't want to do this but I have to do this.

All-time finish in Solich regime versus opponents who finished with a winning record: 19-45. Only one season did Ohio finish with a better than .500 record versus winning record opponents, in 2011.
Sounds like we need to peel the onion more. What was Ohio's record against that standard for the twenty years prior to Solich? How many teams in the MAC have a better record to that standard over that period? I suspect that in most conferences the same teams are consistently the cream of the crop. Those top teams take turns beating each other. How about wins over NIU and Akron last year.
Last Edited: 12/6/2016 10:11:23 AM by Bcat2
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DelBobcat
12/6/2016 10:15 AM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Here's why a lot of us say it's mediocre: 2-10. That's our record against FBS teams that have finished the season with a winning record over the last three years. That's the measuring stick I have for quality. Not winning the pathetic MAC East. Not winning seven or eight games. Not moral victories. How do we stack up against good FBS teams? The clear answer is not very well.
http://i.imgur.com/m4119Ba.gif

Pretty much how I picture this conversation going with folks who "ignore" that 2-10 mark.
Since no one has risen to this bait, I'll chum the waters a bit. I went back another year to 2013. Since then, we are 3-14 against FBS teams that finished with a winning record. Less than one win per year over the last four years. Two of those wins are Marshall and one is this year's win at Toledo. This program's consistency is a mirage.
I don't want to do this but I have to do this.

All-time finish in Solich regime versus opponents who finished with a winning record: 19-45. Only one season did Ohio finish with a better than .500 record versus winning record opponents, in 2011.
We've had this discussion a million times. I don't find that statistic particularly useful. The vast majority of teams have losing records versus teams with winning records. That's how statistics work. The only way I would take this argument seriously is if someone actually took the time to show me how many teams have a winning record each year against winning teams. It can't be more than a handful. There are many more wins to be gained from 2-10 teams and 5-7 teams than there are from 11-1 teams.
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bshot44
12/6/2016 10:22 AM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Here's why a lot of us say it's mediocre: 2-10. That's our record against FBS teams that have finished the season with a winning record over the last three years. That's the measuring stick I have for quality. Not winning the pathetic MAC East. Not winning seven or eight games. Not moral victories. How do we stack up against good FBS teams? The clear answer is not very well.
http://i.imgur.com/m4119Ba.gif

Pretty much how I picture this conversation going with folks who "ignore" that 2-10 mark.
Since no one has risen to this bait, I'll chum the waters a bit. I went back another year to 2013. Since then, we are 3-14 against FBS teams that finished with a winning record. Less than one win per year over the last four years. Two of those wins are Marshall and one is this year's win at Toledo. This program's consistency is a mirage.
I don't want to do this but I have to do this.

All-time finish in Solich regime versus opponents who finished with a winning record: 19-45. Only one season did Ohio finish with a better than .500 record versus winning record opponents, in 2011.
Shut your mouths!!!! How dare you use facts and logic to show that Ohio's 7 and 8 win seasons over the years are propped up by weak schedules and beating up on bottom-dwellers!

Don't you realize how hard these players work!

You never played the game....you don't understand!

Loud noises!!!!

2016 (1-3) (8-5, 6-3)
L Tennessee
L Eastern Michigan
W Toledo
L Western Michigan
? Troy

2015 (3-3) (8-5, 5-3)
W Marshall
W Akron
L Western Michigan
L Bowling Green
W Northern Illinois
L Appalachian State

2014 (0-5) (6-6, 4-4)
L Marshall
L Central Michigan
L Bowling Green
L Western Michigan
L Northern Illinois

2013 (2-4) (7-6, 4-4 overall)
L Louisville
W Marshall
W North Texas
L Bowling Green
L Buffalo
L East Carolina

2012 (1-3) (9-4, 4-4 overall)
L Buffalo
L Bowling Green
L Kent
W UL-Monroe

7-18 vs. teams that finished over .500 (3-13 vs. MAC teams that finished over .500)

Overall (38-26, 23-18)

So quick math:

vs. teams that finished over .500 (7-18, 3-13 MAC)
vs. teams that finished .500 or below (31-8, 20-5 MAC)

*****DISCLOSURE***** Before you start chirping...yes, the last two years have been mildly better and this year showed improvement.

But these numbers speak volumes. Ohio plays bad schedules and feasts on the bottom feeders.

When they play "winning" teams...especially in the MAC...they struggle.

So are those that say they'd like to see something better....are they really that wrong?
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bobcat695
12/6/2016 10:28 AM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
Here's why a lot of us say it's mediocre: 2-10. That's our record against FBS teams that have finished the season with a winning record over the last three years. That's the measuring stick I have for quality. Not winning the pathetic MAC East. Not winning seven or eight games. Not moral victories. How do we stack up against good FBS teams? The clear answer is not very well.
http://i.imgur.com/m4119Ba.gif

Pretty much how I picture this conversation going with folks who "ignore" that 2-10 mark.
Since no one has risen to this bait, I'll chum the waters a bit. I went back another year to 2013. Since then, we are 3-14 against FBS teams that finished with a winning record. Less than one win per year over the last four years. Two of those wins are Marshall and one is this year's win at Toledo. This program's consistency is a mirage.
I don't want to do this but I have to do this.

All-time finish in Solich regime versus opponents who finished with a winning record: 19-45. Only one season did Ohio finish with a better than .500 record versus winning record opponents, in 2011.
Sounds like we need to peel the onion more. What was Ohio's record against that standard for the twenty years prior to Solich? How many teams in the MAC have a better record to that standard over that period? I suspect that in most conferences the same teams are consistently the cream of the crop. Those top teams take turns beating each other. How about wins over NIU and Akron last year.
Bcat, nobody has denied the results the prior 20-30 years. How long is long enough to say that is no longer who Ohio Football is? For me, the "modern era" of the program started the day Jim Grobe took over.

Over the past 12 years, the program has elevated from horrible to average. There are wins vs. terrible teams (mostly MAC East and FCS), and losses to the majority of average/good teams. I am of the belief that Ohio football has escaped being perennially ranked in the Bottom 10. I am thankful for that and appreciate the stability this staff has produced.

What bothers me, however, is that we haven't gotten better for a long time. The program has plateaued. In my opinion, there are two glaring weaknesses: offensive game plan and recruiting. Both require a little creativity and charisma. What I see is boring and boring, and I suspect we have a chicken vs. the egg argument. Do we have a dull, predictable, inefficient offense because we don't have dynamic playmakers (especially QB), or do we not have dynamic playmakers because they don't like what they see in the recruiting process?

Frank's loyalty to Albin is a head scratcher. It's not fair to the players to promise them an opportunity to be wildly successful and pull the rug out from under them with the offensive preparation. I think a lot of us would be much more tolerant and understanding if there were some wins against teams equally comparable, or if there was a change or two to try to fix a recurring problem.
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