Want to know what's holding the program back? Check out the fan differential last night. Yeah, we brought our standard 3500-4k. Whatever. WEstern filled a freaking NFL stadium.

And I'm sorry, even if we were 12-0, ranked and playing for the Cotton Bowl, we don't get 35 thousand in green to any stadium on the planet.

The resentment on this board towards Fleck is laugh-a-ble. He just flipped a program on its head and took a MAC school to 13-0, two Big Ten wins and a Cotton Bowl in the same year and you all don't like him because he neglected to mention Ohio in the post-game interview immediately after the final gun?

Boo freaking hoo. I'd take a Fleck type guy in a millisecond to jump start this tired and old program. You guys must not be watching the same guy I am. Just because he's excited compared to Franks "Court Street Shuffle" he does on the sidelines doesn't make him a bad guy.

This is SO, so telling. If the players see it...man.

Sorry. Gotta disagree bigtime.

The early turnovers were history and we'd basically fended them off by holding WMU to field goals.

You do point exactly to part Solich's prime ultra-conservative defects: fear of a turnover.

On those last two first half possessions, we probably would not have scored. But fear-of-a-turnover not even taking a shot absolutely guaranteed that we would not score....

in a game in which we had nothing to lose.

There is absolutely no reason to have not tried to get points on either of those last two first half possessions.


A score before half could have changed the outcome. But extreme-conservative, total-fear-of-turnover, we showed no gusto at all.



It's Albin, not Solich? That makes no sense.

You said that you would rather have the same coaching staff rather than winning and going to the BCS and having to start over. What are we supposed to take from that?

Still think winning a MAC title will revive OHIO FOOTBALL.

It's the prime goal.

It's not likely that we'll go undefeated. It's not fair to state that as the prime goal.


However, a MAC title is very obtainable, is a reasonable goal and is the one thing we can 'do' to find out if football will ever be relevant at OHIO.

That may be why I advocate for it at about every possible moment.


I've basically said this many times. Don't understand why it's so difficult for so many of you to get.




If we're not going to support this prime goal, then let's drop football.

Yes, a score before halftime could have changed the outcome. Flinging the ball downfield could have also lead to another WMU score in those situations. There's a concept called "field position" that dictates what many coaches will call in a given situation. OHIO had very poor field position on that possession. I suspect 90 percent of FBS head coaches would have done what Frank did in that situation. I actually texted a cousin of mine at that point in the game that I wanted to see GW try a deep ball. However, when the decision was otherwise, I understood why. You seem to confuse the desires of a fan with a low football IQ with the learned decision of a the old ball coach. I'll take the old ball coaches decisions over what you or I would have done in a particular situation any time. I don't know about you, but I've never coached even one win in a college football game.

OCF--I get it you're of the ilk of close-minded, fear of a turnover.

That's sad.

I want to follow...be 'part of'...a team that plays with gusto. Not one which is imbued with fear, which is ultra-conservative to the point of getting in it's own way.



You, apparently, think I'm kidding or incapable of rational thought when I say that Solich won't MACC.

Really? 12 years of it and thinking it'll happen in year 13--give me any examples of that.

Add in the huge losses on D (espec D-line), losses of Smith and Reid, and uncertainty at QB. Our D has been terrific at times this year. Will not happen next year.

Remember the year in which we about led the nation in turnover takeaways. Haven't had one like it since. Get it?

You keep presenting this argument. So fine "will revive OHIO Football"

From what?
To what?
With whom?

To be "revived" we must be dormant with a segment of the fan base. Which segment?

Ticket holders? we continue to lead the MAC in attendance - year over year - lead.

Casual fans? I've already explained that many already think we have won a MACC.

So to whom is this "revival" going to take place with? When did this segment walk away from Ohio football?

Here, I'll help... if you're a person on the go, and you have a pet, where do you put stuff? Get a bag for it! Give Monroe something to do.

Yes, but without a trip to the MACC.

I'm sorry, but if we're truly going to make a dent, then the culture of us needs to truly change.

We are "content" with 8-4 records every year because we don't demand more of ourselves.

We are "content" with Frank receiving bonuses for winning 7 and 8 games yet not a single bonus for a MAC Championship.

How can we say that we're truly going for a MACC when our coach DOESNT HAVE A FREAKING CLAUSE IN THERE FOR A CHAMPIONSHIP?!?!?

So I say to us: I don't care if we call it the "BobcatAttack/Monroe Slavin Memorial Bonus Incentive." I am willing to put up 1K right now towards a bonus for him winning a MACC so that maybe, just maybe our coaches can actually have motivation to strive for higher instead of 7-5. Heck, I would even include a bonus on there to get Marshall on the schedule on an annual basis for 3 decades but we won't do that because we're afraid of messing up Frank's bonus structure.

When I see a thread on here congratulating Temple on a conference championship, remember these were the same yahoos that were kicked out of the Big East and didn't want to be in the MAC. They made a commitment to their athletics and look at them now, as they had a streak just as long as us. They were on our level, in fact worse. Heck, Western Michigan was a lagging program in the MAC for a long time. Then they get someone in there who excites, can out-recruit the Big Ten middle and bottom schools, and look at them now. They're going to a Cotton Bowl while we go to another no-name bowl in Alabama.

Dare I say this on here as well, but we get what we pay for. Well, we pay for family packs to watch the band and leave at halftime. I ain't saying we need to empty our wallets, but we need to up things on all fronts. The culture from alums need to change, especially when we have an alumni base of 200,000 people. Good lord, that's on par with Big Ten schools when you put it in perspective so why can't we be like them. Using Ohio State or West Virginia as an excuse would be a futile effort to do with this argument, especially as I did my undergrad at the evil empire yet feel more affinity for Athens. For only 2,200 to show up in Detroit was pitiful, especially for the "pride" we have in Ohio. Sure, it was a Friday, but you're telling me Clevelanders can't make a two hour drive over? Aiy Curumba.

And if you're content with where were at, then so be it. 7-5 is what we'll get every year at most, especially with Miami to the west going on a capital campaign to blow us out of the water with facilities. I sure as hell ain't letting them kick our butts around, especially because those yahoos don't give a hoot about their teams.

Sorry for sounding like Monroe, but the canary is screaming in the coal mine right now in terms of our peers in the MAC. We are going to fall behind and it will take a decade to undo when that plank is pulled out from underneath us.