Would Solich's record be above .500 if Ohio was in the West Division for the past 12 years?

Simple answer. No

So, it's too much expect a coach who's been here 12 years to bring down one MAC title in that that time?

This year's team may be better than mediocre.

The coaching is not.


Go back to the poll the poll that was posted--about 70%, as I recall, prefer a MAC title over the other possible outcome (which was something like upsetting a nationally ranked team).


Such a big upset will make the OHIO FOOTBALL fanbase, if there is an OHIO FOOTBALL fanbase, excited for a week or two. A MAC title will return the fan base for a few years, in my opinion.

Nope, sorry, you've got that wrong. That was the right call in that particular situation. A turnover there and the game completely gets away from us. (not an unlikely outcome, as our quarterback was struggling)

We lost the game with a combination of the two turnovers early in the game (Maxwell dropping the ball, and Belack failing to protect the ball on the kick return), and the inability of our offensive line to move the WMU defensive front off the line of scrimmage to establish a running game.

The two turnovers were unforced (even though it was a big hit on the kick return, the ball was not stripped or knocked loose, just poor ball protection). Even though the defense did an outstanding job limiting WMU to field goals off those turnovers in our territory, the loss of field position and spotting WMU the eventual margin of victory were huge.

Don't think that I'm trying to blame individual players. We have to remember that they're KIDS playing this game. Big, talented kids, but kids nevertheless. They make mistakes, but I'm proud of how hard they played.

Last night was not a moral victory. We lost and it didn't feel good. I especially hate to lose to someone as annoying as Fleck. But, anyone who thinks we're not one of the two best teams in the MAC after last night's game has got a screw loose. We belong, but I want to see us get better. I believe we have a good chance to do that.

One more thing, Frank's a little short in the charisma department, but I wouldn't trade him for the ridiculous "LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME" antics of Fleck. Frank gives players on both sides of the field credit when it's due. He directs attention to the players, where it belongs.

Now that we all agree this team has risen above "mediocrity" and played a hell of a game last night - Let's all congratulate them on taking a step forward and representing the university in a manner that provides us pride. If the "I don't congratulate losers" attitude doesn't allow that. At least thank the players for dedicating the past 365 days of their lives to do everything THEY can do to be better each day. It shows.

AlumDadDad - agree - Fleck was simply posing for a job interview last night.

Agree with all of these points. Fleck is certainly annoying. The word that WMU fans were telling me last night after the game is that he will most likely go to Purdue. If so, we'll be seeing him again soon. Hopefully, we'll live him a little less happy mood after that game.

And, yes, we have a few posters on this board who have a few screws loose. It's quite clear that the team got much better this year and is on an upward trend after a few years of stagnation. No crushing losses this year. Beat UT -- the one in norther Ohio. Played the other UT a solid game. Played some of its best football at the end of the season -- UT and WMU. Has lots of young players on the team who contributed this year, some as freshmen. Should have an incredible running game next year with AJ, Irons, Brown, etc. Yet some don't see any of this. That's OK. I think that they will be pleasantly surprised with next year's team that will be, maybe, the best team in the Solich Era. Go OHIO!

Big +1! Hadn't really paid any attention to Fleck before last night. Was not impressed with his oversight in giving any recognition to Ohio. Thought that was a bit classless.

Big agreement here. Very happy with Ohio's performance against the top of the West. We slipped too many times this year, no doubt that's true. But we came to play against Toledo and WMU. If we can get our QB situation iced, I like our odds next year. In my opinion, Windham was underutilized this year. I think he had the tools. We were too quick to go to Maxwell, who, I think, is a bit too raw yet.

I asked a Former Ohio starting QB last nite his insight on what OUr problem is he said ONE WORD. Albin.

I have followed the Bobcats since 1964 and I love them....whatever the record!
They did well last night against a great team! Give them and coach the kudos!
Historically, mediocrity is probably the best adjective for the Bobcats...but
what is the solution?.....coach?....recruiting?...different conference?....
the University (President, Board of Trustees, Director of Athletics) have made some terrible decisions in the past. Do you think that pattern is really going to change? WMU is paying their coach over $800,000....when will Ohio pay $1M?
I have waited 53 years for a smart decision!

No sane person would dispute that Albin is an issue - simply not in sync - even with his more aggressive approach this year (yes, he has been - enough - no - e.g., going down field back to back series last night) - he is not in sync with personnel and today's game.

The challenge is not Frank's loyalty, but the timing. No matter your opinion of Frank, he s down to the end of his career. I thought this year. L.C. thinks next.

There is not a quality OC that would come to Athens on a 1-year lease. NOT gonna happen. Only approach would be to bring in an OC with the promise they would be the next head coach. And Schauss will not do that.

Better fans? You don't know what you're talking about. We'll leave it at that.