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71 BOBCAT
12/24/2016 8:22 AM
Without a good QB a team can only be average at best.
These last 12 years has proved this out, with the exception of the TT years, we have just been an average team.
Yes, Frank has done a great job of transforming a looser to a winner. Unfortunately he has not shown the ability to win a MACC or many bowl games.
Why can't we find more TT's at the QB position.
It doesn't appear that the returning QB's show much promise for 2017 either.
In conclusion, we can expect to win 7 or 8 games a year but nothing beyond that.


GO BOBCATS
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TWT
12/24/2016 8:56 AM
What about the JUCO QB? Surely he is a serious threat if not a favorite for the starting job.
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Diamond Cat
12/24/2016 10:13 AM
71 BOBCAT wrote:expand_more
Without a good QB a team can only be average at best.
These last 12 years has proved this out, with the exception of the TT years, we have just been an average team.
Yes, Frank has done a great job of transforming a looser to a winner. Unfortunately he has not shown the ability to win a MACC or many bowl games.
Why can't we find more TT's at the QB position.
It doesn't appear that the returning QB's show much promise for 2017 either.
In conclusion, we can expect to win 7 or 8 games a year but nothing beyond that.


GO BOBCATS
TT may have been the best of the average. The last 4-5 games of his career are what I remember outside of the Bowl win TD. He tanked after the 15 second play in Oxford (with 12 seconds left).
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TWT
12/24/2016 10:18 AM
Diamond Cat wrote:expand_more
Without a good QB a team can only be average at best.
These last 12 years has proved this out, with the exception of the TT years, we have just been an average team.
Yes, Frank has done a great job of transforming a looser to a winner. Unfortunately he has not shown the ability to win a MACC or many bowl games.
Why can't we find more TT's at the QB position.
It doesn't appear that the returning QB's show much promise for 2017 either.
In conclusion, we can expect to win 7 or 8 games a year but nothing beyond that.


GO BOBCATS
TT may have been the best of the average. The last 4-5 games of his career are what I remember outside of the Bowl win TD. He tanked after the 15 second play in Oxford (with 12 seconds left).
That's my TT!
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SBH
12/24/2016 11:09 AM
I had the pleasure of speaking to Frank during a summer practice a couple of years ago. When I asked how he thought the team would do, he answered, "We'll only be as good as our quarterback play." How right he was.
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GoCats105
12/24/2016 11:20 AM
The QBs need to be put in a position to make plays and need to be developed. There's more than just the QB play.
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Monroe Slavin
12/24/2016 12:51 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
I had the pleasure of speaking to Frank during a summer practice a couple of years ago. When I asked how he thought the team would do, he answered, "We'll only be as good as our quarterback play." How right he was.

My goodness. That is a bolt of lightning genius. No one's ever had that thought before.

Our success is largely dependent on our quality of qb play--so that's the key to football!


Now I understand why some here insist that we shouldn't critique the team because we haven't played the game!
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Doc Bobcat
12/24/2016 1:04 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
I had the pleasure of speaking to Frank during a summer practice a couple of years ago. When I asked how he thought the team would do, he answered, "We'll only be as good as our quarterback play." How right he was.


I was counting on Sprague to play this year...didn't happen. Then I was hoping that Windham could stay healthy....didn't happen. Lastly I couldn't believe that Duckworth wasn't developing...that did happen.

For next year it looks like the true Freshman being redshirted....JUCO Rourke as the starter and Maxwell as a capable back up.

Don't jump off the Richmond Ave. bridge just yet.
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Paul Graham
12/24/2016 5:20 PM
The funny thing is, Windham's play in the MACC and bowl weren't great..but they were much better than what we've gotten since TT left. He makes big plays and he makes big mistakes...but at least he makes some big plays! Without him we get blown out against WMU...just like we did in 2014 and 2015.

Do you remember Sprague's performance against Appy State? 14/28, 0 TD's, 2 INTS
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Sean Gallagher
12/24/2016 5:46 PM
The way football rules are devised and applied today, QB play is paramount. It doesn't matter if its NFL, college or high school. The QB is the difference. You either have one or you don't. I know we debate recruiting on this site, but the truth is all that matters is what QB did you get? If you get one you're going to be competitive, if not, you're going to lose.
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Bcat2
12/24/2016 6:06 PM
Paul Graham wrote:expand_more
The funny thing is, Windham's play in the MACC and bowl weren't great..but they were much better than what we've gotten since TT left. He makes big plays and he makes big mistakes...but at least he makes some big plays! Without him we get blown out against WMU...just like we did in 2014 and 2015.

Do you remember Sprague's performance against Appy State? 14/28, 0 TD's, 2 INTS
Yes, though , some of what some are hanging on him as mistakes need to be credited to very good plays by Troy. I have not yet credited Troy for their fine game. They are not a 10 win team by luck.
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Monroe Slavin
12/24/2016 6:34 PM
There's more than just qb'ing.

There's coaching. I'm stunned that people aren't peeved at our lack of hurry up over the last 10 minutes of the game last night vs Troy. We showed no urgency in getting plays off quickly, in maximizing our opportunities within limited time.

Contrast Troy with pieces of hurry up, at least one of which lured us into an offsides penalty.

Coaching makes a difference. Pitchers don't throw only fastballs at the same speed.

There's a mental edge that can be used.


Name the games for me in the last 12 years that we've won by coaching.

Any?
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ytownbobcat
12/25/2016 12:04 PM
Going for two in OT at North Texas STate was Frank's call.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
12/25/2016 2:02 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Name the games for me in the last 12 years that we've won by coaching.

Any?
To say that all the games we've won are on the players and all the games we've lost are on the coaches is to not understand anything. At the absolute minimum, it means you overestimate our talent
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bshot44
12/25/2016 3:24 PM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
Yes, though , some of what some are hanging on him as mistakes need to be credited to very good plays by Troy. I have not yet credited Troy for their fine game. They are not a 10 win team by luck.
Here we go...

Yes...Troy deserves credit for Windham continually throwing into triple coverage....or trying to throw the ball (aka fumbling) when he was getting sacked...or bouncing one off the helmet of a lineman on an inside screen that Frank admitted was a terrible call that was on him.

Yes...let's credit Troy. Their fine game and fine young men in that fine bowl.

What a fine idea.

I don't think anyone is discrediting Troy for anything, but it was pretty obvious that was a beatable team had Ohio not made a lot of mistakes.

Your ability to try and spin any accountability away from the Ohio players or coaches in every loss is laughable...even when players and coaches admit to their mistakes.

Happy Holidays
Last Edited: 12/25/2016 3:26:07 PM by bshot44
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Monroe Slavin
12/25/2016 7:32 PM
The two-point go-for vs. NTexas was more a choice than a strategy or unique play which caught the other side off guard.


And it was years ago. In 1893, I think.


Yes, there have been wins. How could there not be given the cupcake scheduling?!


But point to wins or well-play games in which we can say that, wow, we really showed innovative thinking, really caught the other side unaware.
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CA Bobcat
12/25/2016 8:09 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
There's more than just qb'ing.

There's coaching. I'm stunned that people aren't peeved at our lack of hurry up over the last 10 minutes of the game last night vs Troy. We showed no urgency in getting plays off quickly, in maximizing our opportunities within limited time.

Contrast Troy with pieces of hurry up, at least one of which lured us into an offsides penalty.

Coaching makes a difference. Pitchers don't throw only fastballs at the same speed.

There's a mental edge that can be used.


Name the games for me in the last 12 years that we've won by coaching.

Any?
Um, all of them.
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Sean Gallagher
12/25/2016 8:32 PM
Coaching changes blah, blah, blah. All this commentary is great, but the reality is football has changed. At all levels. You either have a QB or you don't. Average prograns with a QB win titles, while good teams without one don't. It's the new reality. Get a QB and you're relevant. Think you can win without one? You won't. Solich or whomever? It doesn't matter. Who's our next QB?
Last Edited: 12/25/2016 8:34:30 PM by Sean Gallagher
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Mark Lembright '85
12/25/2016 8:36 PM
Sean Gallagher wrote:expand_more
Coaching changes blah, blah, blah. All this commentary is great, but the reality is football has changed. At all levels. You either have a QB or you don't. Average prograns with a QB win titles, while good teams without one don't. It's the new reality. Get a QB and you're relevant. Think you can win without one? You won't. Solich or whomever? It doesn't matter. Who's our next QB?
What he said......
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Monroe Slavin
12/25/2016 9:48 PM
CA Bobcat wrote:expand_more
There's more than just qb'ing.

There's coaching. I'm stunned that people aren't peeved at our lack of hurry up over the last 10 minutes of the game last night vs Troy. We showed no urgency in getting plays off quickly, in maximizing our opportunities within limited time.

Contrast Troy with pieces of hurry up, at least one of which lured us into an offsides penalty.

Coaching makes a difference. Pitchers don't throw only fastballs at the same speed.

There's a mental edge that can be used.


Name the games for me in the last 12 years that we've won by coaching.

Any?
Um, all of them.

Thank you for that entirely indiscriminate.

WRONG!



I have full faith that this staff would not much develop qb talent and limit such with play-calling. UTM forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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CA Bobcat
12/25/2016 11:11 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
There's more than just qb'ing.

There's coaching. I'm stunned that people aren't peeved at our lack of hurry up over the last 10 minutes of the game last night vs Troy. We showed no urgency in getting plays off quickly, in maximizing our opportunities within limited time.

Contrast Troy with pieces of hurry up, at least one of which lured us into an offsides penalty.

Coaching makes a difference. Pitchers don't throw only fastballs at the same speed.

There's a mental edge that can be used.


Name the games for me in the last 12 years that we've won by coaching.

Any?
Um, all of them.

Thank you for that entirely indiscriminate.

WRONG!



I have full faith that this staff would not much develop qb talent and limit such with play-calling. UTM forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You ask a stupid question, that's the response you get. Our coaches coached every game we won. It's highly likely we would not have won any games had they not coached them.
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Monroe Slavin
12/25/2016 11:50 PM
Gee--I did not know that!



That was not the issue that I wisely raised.



Don't be on a 12-year non-quality posting streak.
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CA Bobcat
12/26/2016 10:10 AM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Gee--I did not know that!



That was not the issue that I wisely raised.



Don't be on a 12-year non-quality posting streak.
Doesn't surprise. You'll learn (slowly) over time.
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L.C.
12/26/2016 12:48 PM
Paul Graham wrote:expand_more
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Do you remember Sprague's performance against Appy State? 14/28, 0 TD's, 2 INTS
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This is a very unfair comment, in my opinion. Do you remember that he was playing that game with a shoulder injury that turned out to be career ending, and that he had surgery immediately after the game? Do you remember that, had he sat out the Appy State game, he'd have set the all-time Ohio record for pass efficiency for a single season? If you want to pick on Sprague, go for it, but using that particular game as an example doesn't add much to the discussion.

[QUOTE=CA Bobcat] ... You'll learn (slowly) over time.

There is no evidence to support your assertion.
Last Edited: 12/26/2016 12:51:03 PM by L.C.
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Monroe Slavin
12/26/2016 1:44 PM
The results is the results.

No matter the circumstances.

And over 12 years, the circumstances tend to even out.

The results...or lack thereof...is the results.



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