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Robert Fox
12/22/2016 9:34 AM
Yes, historical figures should first be judged by today's standards.
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Bcat2
12/22/2016 10:25 AM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
You know, overall I am not a fan of Giuliani. But, whatever the heck he did in New York City worked. I just doubt it was luck. The difference between the pre and post Giuliani New York City is startling.
Not a fan either but his "broken window" approach worked. In his mind there was no deferred maintenance. Graffiti on a subway car, pull the car off the track and clean it up. It worked.
300BC. Aristotle.

"In all well-attempered governments there is nothing that should be more jealously maintained than the spirit of obedience to the law, more especially in small matters; for transgression creeps in unperceived and at last ruins the state."

The best educations used to include such as the above. Not sure if kids are getting within miles of such these days. Law and order, a novel concept.
Should we study Aristotle? Absolutely. Are his opinions on law and order relevant to today's society? Not in the least. Any idea what his context is above? It was probably him saying "Slaves, don't escape! It's against the law!".
BAers. I tried. You give em books and all they do is eat the covers.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
12/22/2016 10:40 AM
Robert Fox wrote:expand_more
Yes, historical figures should first be judged by today's standards.
No, not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying quite the opposite...I'm very specifically saying that historical figures should be judged in the context of their time and environment. Aristotle probably said the earth was flat a time or two. We can study his flawed reasoning, but that doesn't mean his "wisdom" applies today.
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C Money
12/22/2016 10:42 AM
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BAers. I tried. You give em books and all they do is eat the covers.

No. They'll complain about why they have to buy the book if you're not going to lecture directly from it.

They'll also complain about why they didn't get full credit for class participation, because even though they sat in the back of the room and played on their phones all class, at least they were present.

Then they'll complain about why they got a C, and when you tell them it's because they flunked the final they'll whine about how they really wanted an A in the class and it would be nice if you could bump them up 2 letters.


/shakes fist at cloud
//harumphs
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Bcat2
12/22/2016 10:53 AM
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BAers. I tried. You give em books and all they do is eat the covers.

No. They'll complain about why they have to buy the book if you're not going to lecture directly from it.

They'll also complain about why they didn't get full credit for class participation, because even though they sat in the back of the room and played on their phones all class, at least they were present.

Then they'll complain about why they got a C, and when you tell them it's because they flunked the final they'll whine about how they really wanted an A in the class and it would be nice if you could bump them up 2 letters.


/shakes fist at cloud
//harumphs
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Robert Fox
12/22/2016 10:56 AM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
Yes, historical figures should first be judged by today's standards.
No, not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying quite the opposite...I'm very specifically saying that historical figures should be judged in the context of their time and environment. Aristotle probably said the earth was flat a time or two. We can study his flawed reasoning, but that doesn't mean his "wisdom" applies today.
What about the quote given is flawed? Why are his thoughts on law completely irrelevant? Surely it's not due to today's classification of him as a racist? Right?
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Bcat2
12/22/2016 11:05 AM
Robert Fox wrote:expand_more
Yes, historical figures should first be judged by today's standards.
No, not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying quite the opposite...I'm very specifically saying that historical figures should be judged in the context of their time and environment. Aristotle probably said the earth was flat a time or two. We can study his flawed reasoning, but that doesn't mean his "wisdom" applies today.
What about the quote given is flawed? Why are his thoughts on law completely irrelevant? Surely it's not due to today's classification of him as a racist? Right?
When we finish Aristotle we can fast forward to 1200AD and learn more from Saint Thomas Aquinas. Easier than Shakespeare.
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L.C.
12/22/2016 11:25 AM
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...The point about Chicago alone being responsible for a big part of a one or two year uptick shows some thinking.

Now here's an interesting and novel interpretation. When a person posts his opinion about the causes for changes in an area he is familiar with it shows "some thinking", but when other posters post their opinions about other areas they are familiar with, it shows a that they just "stick to their viewpoints".

When one is rigidly inflexible in their thinking, and unwilling to consider other viewpoints, the chances of being correct are substantially reduced (regardless of whether their view is rigidly right-wing or rigidly left-wing). If reducing crime was a simple matter, we'd have eliminated it by now.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
12/22/2016 11:40 AM
Robert Fox wrote:expand_more
Yes, historical figures should first be judged by today's standards.
No, not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying quite the opposite...I'm very specifically saying that historical figures should be judged in the context of their time and environment. Aristotle probably said the earth was flat a time or two. We can study his flawed reasoning, but that doesn't mean his "wisdom" applies today.
What about the quote given is flawed? Why are his thoughts on law completely irrelevant? Surely it's not due to today's classification of him as a racist? Right?
I don't believe the quote is inherently flawed, I'm just saying it's impossible to understand his context. trump talks about law and order and on the surface it might make sense (or at least be simple and loud enough for his nazis to follow), but as we know, he's a bag of human waste and anyone who digs into his psyche knows that his perception of law and order is one where he reigns and all others are stupid or too fat or not white enough.

Now, to get us back on track... shootings bad. Except when absolutely necessary to save the lives of others of course. and the NFL ratings are down because fewer people are watching. Sometimes it's the simplest explanation. Their ratings, artificially boosted by their absolute control of ESPN and the 24-hour sports cycle, have exceeded the quality of their product for some time. It was bound to peak. Doesn't mean their product is bad or the ratings themselves are bad, but god forbid anything self-corrects.

Sort of related... I suspended my satellite last week. Most likely, only until baseball season, but it's been liberating. The only thing I miss right now is Jeopardy.
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Robert Fox
12/22/2016 12:52 PM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
trump talks about law and order and on the surface it might make sense (or at least be simple and loud enough for his nazis to follow), but as we know, he's a bag of human waste and anyone who digs into his psyche knows that his perception of law and order is one where he reigns and all others are stupid or too fat or not white enough.
Bit of a tangent here, yes? This is the type of off-the-rails stuff that got Trump elected. Congrats.
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Alan Swank
12/22/2016 12:56 PM
Robert Fox wrote:expand_more
trump talks about law and order and on the surface it might make sense (or at least be simple and loud enough for his nazis to follow), but as we know, he's a bag of human waste and anyone who digs into his psyche knows that his perception of law and order is one where he reigns and all others are stupid or too fat or not white enough.
Bit of a tangent here, yes? This is the type of off-the-rails stuff that got Trump elected. Congrats.
Robert are you saying that those of us who found Trump the worst candidate for President in our voting life time are to blame for his election? I'm not clear what your last comment meant.
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Robert Fox
12/22/2016 1:30 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
trump talks about law and order and on the surface it might make sense (or at least be simple and loud enough for his nazis to follow), but as we know, he's a bag of human waste and anyone who digs into his psyche knows that his perception of law and order is one where he reigns and all others are stupid or too fat or not white enough.
Bit of a tangent here, yes? This is the type of off-the-rails stuff that got Trump elected. Congrats.
Robert are you saying that those of us who found Trump the worst candidate for President in our voting life time are to blame for his election? I'm not clear what your last comment meant.
No, I'm talking about the labeling of all people who voted for Trump as nazi's. That he, himself, is "human waste" and judges all others to be fat, stupid, or not white.

That's a bit polarizing, you think?
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rpbobcat
12/22/2016 1:56 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
trump talks about law and order and on the surface it might make sense (or at least be simple and loud enough for his nazis to follow), but as we know, he's a bag of human waste and anyone who digs into his psyche knows that his perception of law and order is one where he reigns and all others are stupid or too fat or not white enough.
Bit of a tangent here, yes? This is the type of off-the-rails stuff that got Trump elected. Congrats.
Robert are you saying that those of us who found Trump the worst candidate for President in our voting life time are to blame for his election? I'm not clear what your last comment meant.
For those who are unhappy with the results of the election,you don't have to look any further then a Democratic Party that "rigged" their primary system to anoint a very flawed candidate.

President Elect Trump connected with people.Mrs. Clinton didn't,at least not with enough people to carry the Electoral College.
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giacomo
12/22/2016 2:28 PM
When asked why stealing horses was always punishable by hanging and a killer often was set free, Wyatt Earp said " a horse doesn't need to be stolen, but sometimes a man needs to be killed." Not Aristotle, for sure.
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Alan Swank
12/22/2016 3:35 PM
Robert Fox wrote:expand_more
trump talks about law and order and on the surface it might make sense (or at least be simple and loud enough for his nazis to follow), but as we know, he's a bag of human waste and anyone who digs into his psyche knows that his perception of law and order is one where he reigns and all others are stupid or too fat or not white enough.
Bit of a tangent here, yes? This is the type of off-the-rails stuff that got Trump elected. Congrats.
Robert are you saying that those of us who found Trump the worst candidate for President in our voting life time are to blame for his election? I'm not clear what your last comment meant.
No, I'm talking about the labeling of all people who voted for Trump as nazi's. That he, himself, is "human waste" and judges all others to be fat, stupid, or not white.

That's a bit polarizing, you think?
Yep and that's why I got my butt chewed when I chimed in on a FB thread made up of what many consider to be the essence of Athens - the way out left. I was encouraging them to take a wait and see approach and that organizing a concert at the same time as the inauguration was disrespectful to the office of the President and would further polarize the electorate. I also mentioned that if you really want to change anything you start at the local level with school boards and city councils and then move on to state representatives and senators. That group wanted none of it and now believe I'm a secret Trump supporter.
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BillyTheCat
12/22/2016 4:19 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
trump talks about law and order and on the surface it might make sense (or at least be simple and loud enough for his nazis to follow), but as we know, he's a bag of human waste and anyone who digs into his psyche knows that his perception of law and order is one where he reigns and all others are stupid or too fat or not white enough.
Bit of a tangent here, yes? This is the type of off-the-rails stuff that got Trump elected. Congrats.
Robert are you saying that those of us who found Trump the worst candidate for President in our voting life time are to blame for his election? I'm not clear what your last comment meant.
For those who are unhappy with the results of the election,you don't have to look any further then a Democratic Party that "rigged" their primary system to anoint a very flawed candidate.

President Elect Trump connected with people.Mrs. Clinton didn't,at least not with enough people to carry the Electoral College.

Clinton won the popular vote by 3 Million, to say she didn't "connect" with the people is kind of absurd when that is a record number of votes. .
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BillyTheCat
12/22/2016 5:02 PM
Yeah, this would be why Kapernick is taking a knee

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/officer-on-restricted-duty-af... /
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Alan Swank
12/22/2016 5:26 PM
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Yeah, this would be why Kapernick is taking a knee

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/officer-on-restricted-duty-af... /
There are places in this country where this sort of behavior is sop. This clown should lose his job, tomorrow.
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BillyTheCat
12/22/2016 5:34 PM
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Yeah, this would be why Kapernick is taking a knee

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/officer-on-restricted-duty-af... /
There are places in this country where this sort of behavior is sop. This clown should lose his job, tomorrow.
Going after the lady who was filming and demanding the camera is straight from Oakland, 1960's
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Robert Fox
12/22/2016 5:46 PM
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Yep and that's why I got my butt chewed when I chimed in on a FB thread made up of what many consider to be the essence of Athens - the way out left. I was encouraging them to take a wait and see approach and that organizing a concert at the same time as the inauguration was disrespectful to the office of the President and would further polarize the electorate. I also mentioned that if you really want to change anything you start at the local level with school boards and city councils and then move on to state representatives and senators. That group wanted none of it and now believe I'm a secret Trump supporter.
LOL. Going against the grain is a no-win situation. I've taken a very similar position--from the opposite side of the spectrum--and get eye-balled as a damn yankee.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
12/22/2016 5:59 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Yeah, this would be why Kapernick is taking a knee

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/officer-on-restricted-duty-af... /
Law and order.
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giacomo
12/22/2016 6:33 PM
You think so? Not too long ago in Pittsburgh a man flipped off a policeman. The policeman stopped and did something similar to the video. The guy sued and won a huge settlement. Expect the same here. Some day they might learn.
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BillyTheCat
12/22/2016 6:38 PM
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You think so? Not too long ago in Pittsburgh a man flipped off a policeman. The policeman stopped and did something similar to the video. The guy sued and won a huge settlement. Expect the same here. Some day they might learn.
Who might learn? Officer isn't paying a dime, insurance companies and tax payers are.
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rpbobcat
12/22/2016 7:35 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
trump talks about law and order and on the surface it might make sense (or at least be simple and loud enough for his nazis to follow), but as we know, he's a bag of human waste and anyone who digs into his psyche knows that his perception of law and order is one where he reigns and all others are stupid or too fat or not white enough.
Bit of a tangent here, yes? This is the type of off-the-rails stuff that got Trump elected. Congrats.
Robert are you saying that those of us who found Trump the worst candidate for President in our voting life time are to blame for his election? I'm not clear what your last comment meant.
For those who are unhappy with the results of the election,you don't have to look any further then a Democratic Party that "rigged" their primary system to anoint a very flawed candidate.

President Elect Trump connected with people.Mrs. Clinton didn't,at least not with enough people to carry the Electoral College.

Clinton won the popular vote by 3 Million, to say she didn't "connect" with the people is kind of absurd when that is a record number of votes. .
Read what I said.
She didn't connect with enough people to carry the Electoral College.
That's all that counts.

If I remember correctly,one of her main themes during her campaign was her ability to get to 270 Electoral votes and President Elect Trump's inability to do the same.
This was at a time when the media was saying that Mr. Trump could possibly win the popular vote but still suffer a landslide defeat in the Electoral College.

I also believe her plurality came primarily from one state,Ca.

To me, this election further demonstrates the foresight on the part of the Founders in creating a system that assures all states, not just a few densely populated areas,have a proportionate stake in selecting our President.

There's also the fact that, knowing how the election is determined, both candidates based their campaigns on the 270 "magic number".
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Deciduous Forest Cat
12/22/2016 8:06 PM
Bulls!@#$.

The FBI and America's gullibility for fake news won it for trump.
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