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allen
12/29/2016 2:46 PM
Gehrig Dieter left Bowling Green for Alabama. He was able to play, but only played a limited role and will not be drafted, he won't even be a priority free agent even though he has the same measurable as Corey Davis, who is projected to go in the top ten. The MAC gives players like Dieter and Jones the chance to develop and excel. Dieter left for greener pastures and he may get a National Championship, but he could have excelled at Bowling Green in his final year. The same thing happened to a basketball player by the name of Ronnie Lewis.
Last Edited: 12/30/2016 12:58:11 PM by allen
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bshot44
12/29/2016 3:06 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
Gehrig Dieter left Bowling Green for Alabama. He was able to play, but only played a limited role and will not be drafted, he won't even be a priority free agent even though he has the same measurable as Corey Davis, who is projected to go in the top ten. The MAC gives players like Dieter and Jones the chance to develop and excel. Dieter left for greener pastures and he may get a National Championship, but he could have excelled at Bowling Green in his final year. The same thing happened to a basketball player by the name of Ronnie Lewis.
Dieter would not of excelled on that BG team.
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allen
12/29/2016 8:55 PM
I disagree Knapke threw for 3000 yards under Sterlin Gilbert, the OC I want us to go after, he then went to Tulsa. The cupboard was empty besides the Baylor transfer. Dieter would have been the go to receiver.
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OhioBobcat
12/29/2016 9:13 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Gehrig Dieter left Bowling Green for Alabama. He was able to play, but only played a limited role and will not be drafted, he won't even be a priority free agent even though he has the same measurable as Corey Davis, who is projected to go in the top ten. The MAC gives players like Dieter and Jones the chance to develop and excel. Dieter left for greener pastures and he may get a National Championship, but he could have excelled at Bowling Green in his final year. The same thing happened to a basketball player by the name of Ronnie Lewis.
Dieter would not of excelled on that BG team.
I agree. The only guy who excelled on BG this year was the punter Davidson, who happens to be pretty good. Dieter was never ever going to come close to matching what he put up at BG at Alabama. In fact, he showed more of what he can do as a weapon in BG's game vs Tennessee last year than he did about 3/4 of the season in Tuscaloosa. He went there for a shot at a national title and he's likely going to be getting that chance. Further, this is also Dieter's third school as he started his career at SMU where he played a season.
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allen
12/29/2016 9:45 PM
OhioBobcat wrote:expand_more
Gehrig Dieter left Bowling Green for Alabama. He was able to play, but only played a limited role and will not be drafted, he won't even be a priority free agent even though he has the same measurable as Corey Davis, who is projected to go in the top ten. The MAC gives players like Dieter and Jones the chance to develop and excel. Dieter left for greener pastures and he may get a National Championship, but he could have excelled at Bowling Green in his final year. The same thing happened to a basketball player by the name of Ronnie Lewis.
Dieter would not of excelled on that BG team.
I agree. The only guy who excelled on BG this year was the punter Davidson, who happens to be pretty good. Dieter was never ever going to come close to matching what he put up at BG at Alabama. In fact, he showed more of what he can do as a weapon in BG's game vs Tennessee last year than he did about 3/4 of the season in Tuscaloosa. He went there for a shot at a national title and he's likely going to be getting that chance. Further, this is also Dieter's third school as he started his career at SMU where he played a season.

+1 I didn't know it was his third school
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mcbin
12/29/2016 10:00 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
Bigger school does not always meaner better draft pick
I think Justin Zwick, and a dozen other Big10/12/etc QBs would agree with you.
Last Edited: 12/29/2016 10:01:39 PM by mcbin
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allen
12/29/2016 10:55 PM
mcbin wrote:expand_more
Bigger school does not always meaner better draft pick
I think Justin Zwick, and a dozen other Big10/12/etc QBs would agree with you.
wow Justin Zwick, that is a great reference.
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Monroe Slavin
12/30/2016 12:49 AM
Not many players are drafted from the MAC each year.

About 6-8 per year.

http://www.mac-sports.com/news/2015/4/28/FB_0428154843.aspx

Those of you who think OHIO could have 2-3 or so guys drafted this year ought to re-assess.

If we have 2-3 guys get NFL drafted and finished 8-6 with losses in 3 of the last 4, that must be some seriously mediocre coaching.



(I realize that many guys make the NFL without getting drafted. But that's not been very true for OHIO.)
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GoCats105
12/30/2016 8:06 AM
mcbin wrote:expand_more
Bigger school does not always meaner better draft pick
I think Justin Zwick, and a dozen other Big10/12/etc QBs would agree with you.
Scott Dreisbach of Michigan my favorite example. Highly touted QB throws for the single game passing yard and attempt record in his first game ever as a Redshirt Freshman. Was later beat out by Brian Griese, Tom Brady and Drew Henson during his career in Ann Arbor.
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Monroe Slavin
12/30/2016 12:43 PM
Do not let the scattered anecdotes obscure the lesson of the more fully considered info.

A player has a much better chance of being drafted and/or making NFL if playing at Ohio State as compared to OHIO.
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allen
12/30/2016 12:56 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Do not let the scattered anecdotes obscure the lesson of the more fully considered info.

A player has a much better chance of being drafted and/or making NFL if playing at Ohio State as compared to OHIO.
I think everybody understands that, however if you are not going to start at Ohio State and get a chance to develop, it is better to go to a MAC school like Roethlisberger did. Most kids don't go to college NFL ready, they have be developed. Zaire has one year and if he is a leader and has the tools, Ohio University has a spot available. If he is as good as we think he is, he can run the table, barring injury. If he were to run the table, it would show how much he was able to elevate a program. He has a unique skill set, we have good running backs and one of the best wide receiver coaches in the country.
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Monroe Slavin
12/30/2016 1:04 PM
Does it make sense to think that a guy who didn't fare particularly well at a 'name' school is going to come to OHIO and absolutely light it on fire?

Top of the head, I say no because we've played some relatively tops teams over the years and generally haven't gotten blown out--the talent gap isn't enormous.

Also, has it happened before? Can we point to guys who transferred to OHIO and absolutely killed it? I can't think of any. We've had guys come in and do okay, but I can't recall any who performed at really, really high levels.
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bshot44
12/30/2016 1:11 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
Do not let the scattered anecdotes obscure the lesson of the more fully considered info.

A player has a much better chance of being drafted and/or making NFL if playing at Ohio State as compared to OHIO.
I think everybody understands that, however if you are not going to start at Ohio State and get a chance to develop, it is better to go to a MAC school like Roethlisberger did. Most kids don't go to college NFL ready, they have be developed. Zaire has one year and if he is a leader and has the tools, Ohio University has a spot available. If he is as good as we think he is, he can run the table, barring injury. If he were to run the table, it would show how much he was able to elevate a program. He has a unique skill set, we have good running backs and one of the best wide receiver coaches in the country.
Do me a favor....

Tell me where the QBs from Hawaii, UC, TCU, Boise St, Houston and other mid-majors that cracked a BCS/NY6 game in last 10+ years are?

Not the NFL.

Zaire has eyes set on NFL....

Coming to Ohio (which is insane to think will happen) does nothing to help his chances. The level of competition is putrid with OUr schedule...we don't have a dominant OL...our WRs are vastly inexperienced going into next year.

What is enticing about that for a guy with NFL aspirations and only one year left to prove himself.

He's better off going to P5 school and playing elite competition where he's much more visable than ESPN3. He may take his lumps, but will have far less question marks than if he beat up on Hampton, KU, Purdue, UMass & the MAC East....which isn't even a given
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GoCats105
12/30/2016 1:20 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Do not let the scattered anecdotes obscure the lesson of the more fully considered info.

A player has a much better chance of being drafted and/or making NFL if playing at Ohio State as compared to OHIO.
I think everybody understands that, however if you are not going to start at Ohio State and get a chance to develop, it is better to go to a MAC school like Roethlisberger did. Most kids don't go to college NFL ready, they have be developed. Zaire has one year and if he is a leader and has the tools, Ohio University has a spot available. If he is as good as we think he is, he can run the table, barring injury. If he were to run the table, it would show how much he was able to elevate a program. He has a unique skill set, we have good running backs and one of the best wide receiver coaches in the country.
Do me a favor....

Tell me where the QBs from Hawaii, UC, TCU, Boise St, Houston and other mid-majors that cracked a BCS/NY6 game in last 10+ years are?

Not the NFL.

Zaire has eyes set on NFL....

Coming to Ohio (which is insane to think will happen) does nothing to help his chances. The level of competition is putrid with OUr schedule...we don't have a dominant OL...our WRs are vastly inexperienced going into next year.

What is enticing about that for a guy with NFL aspirations and only one year left to prove himself.

He's better off going to P5 school and playing elite competition where he's much more visable than ESPN3. He may take his lumps, but will have far less question marks than if he beat up on Hampton, KU, Purdue, UMass & the MAC East....which isn't even a given
Andy Dalton...annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd that's it.
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12/30/2016 1:40 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Do not let the scattered anecdotes obscure the lesson of the more fully considered info.

A player has a much better chance of being drafted and/or making NFL if playing at Ohio State as compared to OHIO.
I think everybody understands that, however if you are not going to start at Ohio State and get a chance to develop, it is better to go to a MAC school like Roethlisberger did. Most kids don't go to college NFL ready, they have be developed. Zaire has one year and if he is a leader and has the tools, Ohio University has a spot available. If he is as good as we think he is, he can run the table, barring injury. If he were to run the table, it would show how much he was able to elevate a program. He has a unique skill set, we have good running backs and one of the best wide receiver coaches in the country.
Do me a favor....

Tell me where the QBs from Hawaii, UC, TCU, Boise St, Houston and other mid-majors that cracked a BCS/NY6 game in last 10+ years are?

Not the NFL.

Zaire has eyes set on NFL....

Coming to Ohio (which is insane to think will happen) does nothing to help his chances. The level of competition is putrid with OUr schedule...we don't have a dominant OL...our WRs are vastly inexperienced going into next year.

What is enticing about that for a guy with NFL aspirations and only one year left to prove himself.

He's better off going to P5 school and playing elite competition where he's much more visable than ESPN3. He may take his lumps, but will have far less question marks than if he beat up on Hampton, KU, Purdue, UMass & the MAC East....which isn't even a given
Andy Dalton...annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd that's it.
Sorry...forgot about Blake Bortles too. UCF. Maybe he can transfer to Ohio too
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allen
12/30/2016 3:06 PM
Haters are going to hate. Zaire can succeed in the MAC and go to the NFL. That is much better than missing spring practice and waiting for a ruling that may allow him to transfer to a SEC school. Some people just don't want Ohio to succeed. We can't complain about Solich and his recruiting, if we don't believe recruits can come to Ohio. RIP Hatorade
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12/30/2016 3:43 PM
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Hater are going to hate. Zaire can succeed in the MAC and go to the NFL. That is much better than missing spring practice and waiting for a ruling that may allow him to transfer to a SEC school. Some people just don't want Ohio to succeed. We can't complain about Solich and his recruiting, if we don't believe recruits can come to Ohio. RIP Hatorade
Did bcat2 take over your account?

You're starting to sound as crazy as him.

Zaire is not missing spring practice and sitting around. He's going to Arizona to train with a specialist and then make the best decision that will fit his needs in April.

OHIO WILL NOT BE THAT CHOICE.

Let me say that again.

OHIO WILL NOT BE THAT CHOICE.

That does NOT mean I hate Ohio or whatever this Hatorade nonsense is about. It simply means I'm realistic. Ohio doesn't get guys like Zaire. Never have. Most likely never will. Doesn't mean I hate them or don't want them to succeed.

Solich can recruit better...we all know that. The on-the-field results show that. But you have to be realistic on who they can recruit. They don't go after 5-star guys cause it's a waste of time...those guys don't end up at Ohio.

I applaud your optimism and desire to elevate the program...but you have to be realistic.
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allen
12/30/2016 3:56 PM
Doc Bobcat says that's who coach Izzy was referring too. I followed up with that would be great and then the pessimist came and I defended our chance of landing Zaire. Ohio should try to recruit a 5th year transfer wha wants to play if they are good. You may be right, Zaire may not be coming here, but we should not have a defeated attitude. I hope this clarifies my position. As far as me being as bad as bcat2, those are fight words lol.
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12/30/2016 4:36 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Hater are going to hate. Zaire can succeed in the MAC and go to the NFL. That is much better than missing spring practice and waiting for a ruling that may allow him to transfer to a SEC school. Some people just don't want Ohio to succeed. We can't complain about Solich and his recruiting, if we don't believe recruits can come to Ohio. RIP Hatorade
Did bcat2 take over your account?

You're starting to sound as crazy as him.

Zaire is not missing spring practice and sitting around. He's going to Arizona to train with a specialist and then make the best decision that will fit his needs in April.

OHIO WILL NOT BE THAT CHOICE.

Let me say that again.

OHIO WILL NOT BE THAT CHOICE.

That does NOT mean I hate Ohio or whatever this Hatorade nonsense is about. It simply means I'm realistic. Ohio doesn't get guys like Zaire. Never have. Most likely never will. Doesn't mean I hate them or don't want them to succeed.

Solich can recruit better...we all know that. The on-the-field results show that. But you have to be realistic on who they can recruit. They don't go after 5-star guys cause it's a waste of time...those guys don't end up at Ohio.

I applaud your optimism and desire to elevate the program...but you have to be realistic.
bshot44. You sir are presenting my feelings. I have been tempted several times to give you a +1, though, I felt that, from me, might confuse everyone. allen keeps presenting Ohio as being this one player from being 13-0 like Western next season. Not sure what he is smoking. However, Strobel was a four star transfer from Michigan and I do like Ohio's chances to bring in Morris from Michigan to be announced after the bowls. Morris, Rourke and Maxwell would put me at ease going into next fall. So bshot44, keep calm, +1.

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Last Edited: 12/30/2016 4:37:25 PM by Bcat2
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12/30/2016 4:50 PM
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Hater are going to hate. Zaire can succeed in the MAC and go to the NFL. That is much better than missing spring practice and waiting for a ruling that may allow him to transfer to a SEC school. Some people just don't want Ohio to succeed. We can't complain about Solich and his recruiting, if we don't believe recruits can come to Ohio. RIP Hatorade
Did bcat2 take over your account?

You're starting to sound as crazy as him.

Zaire is not missing spring practice and sitting around. He's going to Arizona to train with a specialist and then make the best decision that will fit his needs in April.

OHIO WILL NOT BE THAT CHOICE.

Let me say that again.

OHIO WILL NOT BE THAT CHOICE.

That does NOT mean I hate Ohio or whatever this Hatorade nonsense is about. It simply means I'm realistic. Ohio doesn't get guys like Zaire. Never have. Most likely never will. Doesn't mean I hate them or don't want them to succeed.

Solich can recruit better...we all know that. The on-the-field results show that. But you have to be realistic on who they can recruit. They don't go after 5-star guys cause it's a waste of time...those guys don't end up at Ohio.

I applaud your optimism and desire to elevate the program...but you have to be realistic.
bshot44. You sir are presenting my feelings. I have been tempted several times to give you a +1, though, I felt that, from me, might confuse everyone. allen keeps presenting Ohio as being this one player from being 13-0 like Western next season. Not sure what he is smoking. However, Strobel was a four star transfer from Michigan and I do like Ohio's chances to bring in Morris from Michigan to be announced after the bowls. Morris, Rourke and Maxwell would put me at ease going into next fall. So bshot44, keep calm, +1.

Bcat2
Haha! I'll take it.

+1 as well.

Agree on Morris possibility. Just not sure if any of those QBs can get us past 7-5 or 8-4. Hope I'm wrong.
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bshot44
12/30/2016 4:52 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
Doc Bobcat says that's who coach Izzy was referring too. I followed up with that would be great and then the pessimist came and I defended our chance of landing Zaire. Ohio should try to recruit a 5th year transfer wha wants to play if they are good. You may be right, Zaire may not be coming here, but we should not have a defeated attitude. I hope this clarifies my position. As far as me being as bad as bcat2, those are fight words lol.
I wouldn't call it a defeated attitude. It's just being realistic.

If Ohio faced Alabama to start next year, I wouldn't quit rooting for Ohio...but I'd be realistic about their chances. Pretty much zero.
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allen
12/30/2016 10:35 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Doc Bobcat says that's who coach Izzy was referring too. I followed up with that would be great and then the pessimist came and I defended our chance of landing Zaire. Ohio should try to recruit a 5th year transfer wha wants to play if they are good. You may be right, Zaire may not be coming here, but we should not have a defeated attitude. I hope this clarifies my position. As far as me being as bad as bcat2, those are fight words lol.
I wouldn't call it a defeated attitude. It's just being realistic.

If Ohio faced Alabama to start next year, I wouldn't quit rooting for Ohio...but I'd be realistic about their chances. Pretty much zero.
Bcat 2 you saying anybody is smoking is sick, when you have been linked to being a coach's wife, a second team waterboy or an underdeveloped dog sitter. Please don't suggest that i am smoking. 13-0 would not be that hard of a feat with our schedule. Who do we play?
Once again Doc Bobcat said the gift was Zaire and I made my predictions based on a great QB coming in and playing against a weak schedule until we meet Western for the MAC championship, which is plausible. Bshot 44, saying that I sound like bcat2 makes you like Putin to me lol.
Bcat2 do you have another mediocre prediction for this year. What are acceptable losses for next year, lets get that out the way.
Last Edited: 12/30/2016 10:44:48 PM by allen
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bshot44
12/31/2016 9:32 AM
I find it incredibly interesting to go out on a limb to project 13-0 with Zaire. We don't even know what MAC west teams we're playing yet. And to crown WMU already is funny.

MAC East will be significantly better next year in my opinion

Miami is rising
Buffalo has young QB & should improve
Kent....well, who knows
Akron, if healthy could be better
You know BG is going to be better

And really no matter who Ohio draws from West, they'll be challenged. CMU might be worst of that bunch.

OOC...Kansas will still suck nationally but should be better. Same with Purdue

I still hate our schedule, but to claim 13-0 is kinda nuts even if they land the great Zaire as you hope
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allen
12/31/2016 9:38 AM
It is possible with or without Zaire. Zaire makes us significantly better offensively. If our pass defense gets a little better, who should we concede a loss too. Who is an acceptable loss?
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Bcat2
12/31/2016 10:04 AM
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It is possible with or without Zaire. Zaire makes us significantly better offensively. If our pass defense gets a little better, who should we concede a loss too. Who is an acceptable loss?
allen. Great buildup of Zaire. I am in the camp that believes he will go elsewhere. More likely, yet still a long shot, is Morris of Michigan. I wonder if you really expect Zaire or if this is a house of cards you are building in order to set us up for a summer of "Solich can't win in the living room?"
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