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OhioStunter
12/28/2016 4:07 PM
LynxRufus6 wrote:expand_more
I literally don't understand how this regime plateaus at 8 wins a season, and that's acceptable. Programs become great because they have expectations. Texas fired Mack Brown because he couldn't win more than 10 games a season. 10 GAMES!
Hmm. How is that working out for Texas so far?
They just landed the hottest commodity in college football, so I'd say pretty damn well. Oh, and have you forgotten the loaded roster they've got with all freshmen and sophomores?
Texas Longhorn football historically is college football royalty. Legendary coaches. Heisman winners. Conference dominance.

Yet, in the past 7 seasons, Ohio football has:
-More overall wins (56 vs. 46)
-More conference wins (35 vs. 30)
-The same conference championships (0)
-More bowl appearances (6 vs. 4)
-The same bowl wins (2)

And the athletics department budget is only $150 MILLION (about 500%) more than Ohio's.

Tell me more about how Texas is doing it right.
Last Edited: 12/28/2016 4:08:00 PM by OhioStunter
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Monroe Slavin
12/28/2016 7:08 PM
giacomo wrote:expand_more
PROBLEM: You don't have enough to eat each day and you don't have a roof over your head. You or a loved one is diagnosed with a bad illness.

SILLY INCONVENIENCE: Your team (only) beats Akron 9-3 and goes 8-6.

SILLIER YET: Thinking there is a problem and railing about constantly.

Calm down. Either call 911 or hit the 'Ignore; I accept mediocrity' button.
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BillyTheCat
12/28/2016 8:10 PM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
I literally don't understand how this regime plateaus at 8 wins a season, and that's acceptable. Programs become great because they have expectations. Texas fired Mack Brown because he couldn't win more than 10 games a season. 10 GAMES!
Hmm. How is that working out for Texas so far?
They just landed the hottest commodity in college football, so I'd say pretty damn well. Oh, and have you forgotten the loaded roster they've got with all freshmen and sophomores?
Texas Longhorn football historically is college football royalty. Legendary coaches. Heisman winners. Conference dominance.

Yet, in the past 7 seasons, Ohio football has:
-More overall wins (56 vs. 46)
-More conference wins (35 vs. 30)
-The same conference championships (0)
-More bowl appearances (6 vs. 4)
-The same bowl wins (2)

And the athletics department budget is only $150 MILLION (about 500%) more than Ohio's.

Tell me more about how Texas is doing it right.

Really???? You are going to compare records with one playing in the Big12 v a MAC East team. Really???
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LynxRufus6
12/28/2016 8:49 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
I literally don't understand how this regime plateaus at 8 wins a season, and that's acceptable. Programs become great because they have expectations. Texas fired Mack Brown because he couldn't win more than 10 games a season. 10 GAMES!
Hmm. How is that working out for Texas so far?
They just landed the hottest commodity in college football, so I'd say pretty damn well. Oh, and have you forgotten the loaded roster they've got with all freshmen and sophomores?
Texas Longhorn football historically is college football royalty. Legendary coaches. Heisman winners. Conference dominance.

Yet, in the past 7 seasons, Ohio football has:
-More overall wins (56 vs. 46)
-More conference wins (35 vs. 30)
-The same conference championships (0)
-More bowl appearances (6 vs. 4)
-The same bowl wins (2)

And the athletics department budget is only $150 MILLION (about 500%) more than Ohio's.

Tell me more about how Texas is doing it right.

Really???? You are going to compare records with one playing in the Big12 v a MAC East team. Really???
Of course they will. Because winning 8 games against teams like Akron and Gardner-Webb is compareable to beating Notre Dame and Baylor
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giacomo
12/28/2016 9:31 PM
When someone says "you are accepting mediocrity", that implies that any of us has any control over wins and losses. We don't, unless you cut a very large check which changes the dynamic of our program. We are merely spectators. The way I look at it, unless you pony up like Phil Knight at Oregon or T. Boone Pickens at Oklahoma State, shut your pie hole. Even that kind of jack doesn't buy you championships every year.
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LynxRufus6
12/28/2016 10:07 PM
giacomo wrote:expand_more
When someone says "you are accepting mediocrity", that implies that any of us has any control over wins and losses. We don't, unless you cut a very large check which changes the dynamic of our program. We are merely spectators. The way I look at it, unless you pony up like Phil Knight at Oregon or T. Boone Pickens at Oklahoma State, shut your pie hole. Even that kind of jack doesn't buy you championships every year.
"If you don't have a billion dollars then you're not allowed to have an opinion"

You're clueless if you believe a fan base doesn't have power over a sports team, especially at the collegiate level. If you see someone getting beaten in the street, don't bother helping them unless you're a cop. If you see someone struggling with something heavy, don't help lift anything unless you're a body builder. While I'm at it, I don't want to waste my time reading your ignorant reply unless you're a journalist.

BOOM ROASTED *Micheal Scott voice*
Last Edited: 12/28/2016 10:08:18 PM by LynxRufus6
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ou79
12/28/2016 10:41 PM
I stand by my earlier comment in this thread that I don't see a MACC in year 13, and for that matter, unless the speculation on another thread comes true and we basically convince the talent pool that is Alabama to transfer en mass to Ohio, I am not sure we make our annual 8 wins next year either. I hope I am wrong, but any faith I had in this staff to get us over the hump left me a long time ago. We achieve those 8 wins by playing in arguably the worst conference in FBS/D-IA (the MAC has lost every bowl it has been in this year), and also by playing some real cupcakes in our OOC schedule. OK, throw out Tennessee and our other 3 OOC opponents this past year were basically on life support. This happens every year anymore. Again, I hope I am wrong but I don't think so.
Last Edited: 12/29/2016 9:18:08 AM by ou79
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OhioStunter
12/28/2016 11:38 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
I literally don't understand how this regime plateaus at 8 wins a season, and that's acceptable. Programs become great because they have expectations. Texas fired Mack Brown because he couldn't win more than 10 games a season. 10 GAMES!
Hmm. How is that working out for Texas so far?
They just landed the hottest commodity in college football, so I'd say pretty damn well. Oh, and have you forgotten the loaded roster they've got with all freshmen and sophomores?
Texas Longhorn football historically is college football royalty. Legendary coaches. Heisman winners. Conference dominance.

Yet, in the past 7 seasons, Ohio football has:
-More overall wins (56 vs. 46)
-More conference wins (35 vs. 30)
-The same conference championships (0)
-More bowl appearances (6 vs. 4)
-The same bowl wins (2)

And the athletics department budget is only $150 MILLION (about 500%) more than Ohio's.

Tell me more about how Texas is doing it right.

Really???? You are going to compare records with one playing in the Big12 v a MAC East team. Really???
I didn't originally introduce the Texas comparison. But since someone else took us there by stating they are doing it right and Ohio isn't, I introduced stats that may say otherwise.

You and I both know that Ohio is not in the same league as Texas.

But when you compare where Texas has been in the Big 12 vs. where Ohio has been in the MAC over the past 7 seasons, don't tell me that Texas is further ahead than Ohio in their respective conference.
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OhioStunter
12/28/2016 11:42 PM
LynxRufus6 wrote:expand_more
I literally don't understand how this regime plateaus at 8 wins a season, and that's acceptable. Programs become great because they have expectations. Texas fired Mack Brown because he couldn't win more than 10 games a season. 10 GAMES!
Hmm. How is that working out for Texas so far?
They just landed the hottest commodity in college football, so I'd say pretty damn well. Oh, and have you forgotten the loaded roster they've got with all freshmen and sophomores?
Texas Longhorn football historically is college football royalty. Legendary coaches. Heisman winners. Conference dominance.

Yet, in the past 7 seasons, Ohio football has:
-More overall wins (56 vs. 46)
-More conference wins (35 vs. 30)
-The same conference championships (0)
-More bowl appearances (6 vs. 4)
-The same bowl wins (2)

And the athletics department budget is only $150 MILLION (about 500%) more than Ohio's.

Tell me more about how Texas is doing it right.

Really???? You are going to compare records with one playing in the Big12 v a MAC East team. Really???
Of course they will. Because winning 8 games against teams like Akron and Gardner-Webb is compareable to beating Notre Dame and Baylor
But unless a conference championship is won, it really is a failed season, isn't it? For Ohio and Texas.
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allen
12/29/2016 9:11 AM
giacomo wrote:expand_more
When someone says "you are accepting mediocrity", that implies that any of us has any control over wins and losses. We don't, unless you cut a very large check which changes the dynamic of our program. We are merely spectators. The way I look at it, unless you pony up like Phil Knight at Oregon or T. Boone Pickens at Oklahoma State, shut your pie hole. Even that kind of jack doesn't buy you championships every year.
This is wrong on so many levels. It's not about all about the schools, it is about the fans. The fans helps the team get sponsors and sell merchandise. They all provide revenue for AD's to use to keep the school moving forward. Most of all, fans hype up the players. The fans need to believe, they need to give the team a boost. Now you may be a loyalist to coaches or a team manager. You may dog sit for the team manager and rake his or her leaves, but you have no right to tell anybody to shut their pie hole or push your mediocrity on any of the other fans. We all have to go out and be successful and your mediocrity is of no benefit to any of us or the players.
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Monroe Slavin
12/29/2016 10:27 AM
allen wrote:expand_more
When someone says "you are accepting mediocrity", that implies that any of us has any control over wins and losses. We don't, unless you cut a very large check which changes the dynamic of our program. We are merely spectators. The way I look at it, unless you pony up like Phil Knight at Oregon or T. Boone Pickens at Oklahoma State, shut your pie hole. Even that kind of jack doesn't buy you championships every year.
This is wrong on so many levels. It's not about all about the schools, it is about the fans. The fans helps the team get sponsors and sell merchandise. They all provide revenue for AD's to use to keep the school moving forward. Most of all, fans hype up the players. The fans need to believe, they need to give the team a boost. Now you may be a loyalist to coaches or a team manager. You may dog sit for the team manager and rake his or her leaves, but you have no right to tell anybody to shut their pie hole or push your mediocrity on any of the other fans. We all have to go out and be successful and your mediocrity is of no benefit to any of us or the players.
Indeed.

Hey, giacomo, how about these two which nobody has contested on this board? Note that each is about strategy, about thinking--which does not require any budget:

In the bowl game, on our 2nd last possession, which only resulted in a field goal to get to 23-28 and lasted from 7:47 to go until 4:40 to go, we showed no hurry-up, no urgency to get to the line and get off plays despite the time crush and obviously limited further chances to score given the clock.

Also, in the bowl game, we used our trick play (qb in motion with direct snap to running back) in the first half at a not particularly urgent time instead of using it on our 3rd last drive with 10:02 to go in the game and down 20-28 on 4th and a short two from their 29(again, with an obviously limited number of remaining legit scoring opps to ensue due to the clock).

Clear coaching brain-farts which have zero to do with "a very large check."


If you want to believe as you do despite 12 years of evidence, then you will.




You can hate on me. It doesn't make me wrong.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
12/29/2016 1:53 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
When someone says "you are accepting mediocrity", that implies that any of us has any control over wins and losses. We don't, unless you cut a very large check which changes the dynamic of our program. We are merely spectators. The way I look at it, unless you pony up like Phil Knight at Oregon or T. Boone Pickens at Oklahoma State, shut your pie hole. Even that kind of jack doesn't buy you championships every year.
This is wrong on so many levels. It's not about all about the schools, it is about the fans. The fans helps the team get sponsors and sell merchandise. They all provide revenue for AD's to use to keep the school moving forward. Most of all, fans hype up the players. The fans need to believe, they need to give the team a boost. Now you may be a loyalist to coaches or a team manager. You may dog sit for the team manager and rake his or her leaves, but you have no right to tell anybody to shut their pie hole or push your mediocrity on any of the other fans. We all have to go out and be successful and your mediocrity is of no benefit to any of us or the players.
Indeed.

Hey, giacomo, how about these two which nobody has contested on this board? Note that each is about strategy, about thinking--which does not require any budget:

In the bowl game, on our 2nd last possession, which only resulted in a field goal to get to 23-28 and lasted from 7:47 to go until 4:40 to go, we showed no hurry-up, no urgency to get to the line and get off plays despite the time crush and obviously limited further chances to score given the clock.

Also, in the bowl game, we used our trick play (qb in motion with direct snap to running back) in the first half at a not particularly urgent time instead of using it on our 3rd last drive with 10:02 to go in the game and down 20-28 on 4th and a short two from their 29(again, with an obviously limited number of remaining legit scoring opps to ensue due to the clock).

Clear coaching brain-farts which have zero to do with "a very large check."


If you want to believe as you do despite 12 years of evidence, then you will.

You can hate on me. It doesn't make me wrong.
But you ARE wrong. all the time. Whether you like it or not, you're the Donald Trump of this board. You repeat things over and over and louder and louder regardless of whether they're true. What is your end goal? Is there anyone here who doesn't know your opinion? what actually has to happen before you quit ruining every single thread? You want Frank fired. we get it. we get it, we heard it. Either apply for the AD job or shut the ehf up.

as for that direct snap, we do that play at least once a year. Also, we did it to pick up a key 3rd down earlier in the game. 4th down in the 4th quarter isn't the only key play in a football game, and your first touchdown is as important as your last. If we "saved" the trick play, maybe we don't get the first down earlier and don't even have a chance to be within one score later in the game.

Also, I agree with you - I think we should have gone for it instead of the long fg, but it's about a 60-40 situation. You deal only in absolutes and you're seeing things only in a way that fit your narrative. If it works, it's brilliant, if it doesn't, it's a "coaching brain fart". our kicker already hit a long field goal and has been quite reliable. three points is better than zero. we could have picked up a first down, run two more minutes off and still ended up with a long field goal try. Then where are we? we had plenty of chances in the game. no chances were eliminated due to clock management. we missed a fg, and we failed to execute on the last drive. Time was not a factor. Inconsistent and shoddy (while at times explosive and effective, yes) QB play, and an offensive line that seemed to regress over the course of the year is why we lost in Detroit and Alabama. We wanted to be a running team this year because we knew we weren't equipped to throw 40x a game and win. For various reasons, including injuries, we were left only with that option at the end of the season. So, try having an actual discussion instead of posting the same stupid crap over and over.
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giacomo
12/29/2016 3:47 PM
I have no agenda and I don't know one person on the football team or staff. I just find it silly that enjoying a game and following a team makes for "mediocrity" if you don't win every game. Even winning is not enough for some of you. It has to be a win by a larger margin based on your idea of how good the opponent is relative to how good you think we should be.

I think many of you take these sports metaphors a little too far. Keep ranting and making yourselves miserable over something you have no control over. This should be fun.
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bshot44
12/29/2016 3:52 PM
giacomo wrote:expand_more
I have no agenda and I don't know one person on the football team or staff. I just find it silly that enjoying a game and following a team makes for "mediocrity" if you don't win every game. Even winning is not enough for some of you. It has to be a win by a larger margin based on your idea of how good the opponent is relative to how good you think we should be.

I think many of you take these sports metaphors a little too far. Keep ranting and making yourselves miserable over something you have no control over. This should be fun.
I agree, in reality, none of us has any real control over the situation. We can control funding, but ultimately we can't control results on the field.

But I do disagree that ranting makes some of us miserable. I think being passionate (or for some overly insane) about your team is part of sports. You go crazy (and sometimes overboard) when they win.....and you get upset/disappointed (sometimes overboard) when they lose. It's just part of being a fan. There's all shapes and sizes.....

And quite honestly, those that come on here to vent/disagree/etc.....they wouldn't waste their time, in my opinion, if they didn't care.
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allen
12/29/2016 9:27 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
I have no agenda and I don't know one person on the football team or staff. I just find it silly that enjoying a game and following a team makes for "mediocrity" if you don't win every game. Even winning is not enough for some of you. It has to be a win by a larger margin based on your idea of how good the opponent is relative to how good you think we should be.

I think many of you take these sports metaphors a little too far. Keep ranting and making yourselves miserable over something you have no control over. This should be fun.
I agree, in reality, none of us has any real control over the situation. We can control funding, but ultimately we can't control results on the field.

But I do disagree that ranting makes some of us miserable. I think being passionate (or for some overly insane) about your team is part of sports. You go crazy (and sometimes overboard) when they win.....and you get upset/disappointed (sometimes overboard) when they lose. It's just part of being a fan. There's all shapes and sizes.....

And quite honestly, those that come on here to vent/disagree/etc.....they wouldn't waste their time, in my opinion, if they didn't care.
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giacomo
12/29/2016 10:06 PM
I can agree to civil discord. You say tomato, I say tomahto.
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allen
12/29/2016 10:56 PM
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I can agree to civil discord. You say tomato, I say tomahto.
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Monroe Slavin
12/30/2016 12:42 AM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
When someone says "you are accepting mediocrity", that implies that any of us has any control over wins and losses. We don't, unless you cut a very large check which changes the dynamic of our program. We are merely spectators. The way I look at it, unless you pony up like Phil Knight at Oregon or T. Boone Pickens at Oklahoma State, shut your pie hole. Even that kind of jack doesn't buy you championships every year.
This is wrong on so many levels. It's not about all about the schools, it is about the fans. The fans helps the team get sponsors and sell merchandise. They all provide revenue for AD's to use to keep the school moving forward. Most of all, fans hype up the players. The fans need to believe, they need to give the team a boost. Now you may be a loyalist to coaches or a team manager. You may dog sit for the team manager and rake his or her leaves, but you have no right to tell anybody to shut their pie hole or push your mediocrity on any of the other fans. We all have to go out and be successful and your mediocrity is of no benefit to any of us or the players.
Indeed.

Hey, giacomo, how about these two which nobody has contested on this board? Note that each is about strategy, about thinking--which does not require any budget:

In the bowl game, on our 2nd last possession, which only resulted in a field goal to get to 23-28 and lasted from 7:47 to go until 4:40 to go, we showed no hurry-up, no urgency to get to the line and get off plays despite the time crush and obviously limited further chances to score given the clock.

Also, in the bowl game, we used our trick play (qb in motion with direct snap to running back) in the first half at a not particularly urgent time instead of using it on our 3rd last drive with 10:02 to go in the game and down 20-28 on 4th and a short two from their 29(again, with an obviously limited number of remaining legit scoring opps to ensue due to the clock).

Clear coaching brain-farts which have zero to do with "a very large check."


If you want to believe as you do despite 12 years of evidence, then you will.

You can hate on me. It doesn't make me wrong.
But you ARE wrong. all the time. Whether you like it or not, you're the Donald Trump of this board. You repeat things over and over and louder and louder regardless of whether they're true. What is your end goal? Is there anyone here who doesn't know your opinion? what actually has to happen before you quit ruining every single thread? You want Frank fired. we get it. we get it, we heard it. Either apply for the AD job or shut the ehf up.

as for that direct snap, we do that play at least once a year. Also, we did it to pick up a key 3rd down earlier in the game. 4th down in the 4th quarter isn't the only key play in a football game, and your first touchdown is as important as your last. If we "saved" the trick play, maybe we don't get the first down earlier and don't even have a chance to be within one score later in the game.

Also, I agree with you - I think we should have gone for it instead of the long fg, but it's about a 60-40 situation. You deal only in absolutes and you're seeing things only in a way that fit your narrative. If it works, it's brilliant, if it doesn't, it's a "coaching brain fart". our kicker already hit a long field goal and has been quite reliable. three points is better than zero. we could have picked up a first down, run two more minutes off and still ended up with a long field goal try. Then where are we? we had plenty of chances in the game. no chances were eliminated due to clock management. we missed a fg, and we failed to execute on the last drive. Time was not a factor. Inconsistent and shoddy (while at times explosive and effective, yes) QB play, and an offensive line that seemed to regress over the course of the year is why we lost in Detroit and Alabama. We wanted to be a running team this year because we knew we weren't equipped to throw 40x a game and win. For various reasons, including injuries, we were left only with that option at the end of the season. So, try having an actual discussion instead of posting the same stupid crap over and over.

WRONG in so many ways. Don't have time for them all now. But start with using that once a year play in the second quarter instead of the decisive time in the fourth qtr.

And, "no chancew were eliminated due to clock management" is just poor thinking. Our constant casual tempo clearly is out of sync with the hurry-it-up that is required, smart ball for a team that's behind in the fourth quarter...as we were so often this year.

Yeah, and if we should not have gone for it on that 4th and short 2 at their 30 late in the game because, hey, even if we'd've gotten the first down we might not have scored a td.

Seriously, you'd be more impressive if you'd post the opposite of what's going through your mind.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
12/30/2016 11:16 AM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
When someone says "you are accepting mediocrity", that implies that any of us has any control over wins and losses. We don't, unless you cut a very large check which changes the dynamic of our program. We are merely spectators. The way I look at it, unless you pony up like Phil Knight at Oregon or T. Boone Pickens at Oklahoma State, shut your pie hole. Even that kind of jack doesn't buy you championships every year.
This is wrong on so many levels. It's not about all about the schools, it is about the fans. The fans helps the team get sponsors and sell merchandise. They all provide revenue for AD's to use to keep the school moving forward. Most of all, fans hype up the players. The fans need to believe, they need to give the team a boost. Now you may be a loyalist to coaches or a team manager. You may dog sit for the team manager and rake his or her leaves, but you have no right to tell anybody to shut their pie hole or push your mediocrity on any of the other fans. We all have to go out and be successful and your mediocrity is of no benefit to any of us or the players.
Indeed.

Hey, giacomo, how about these two which nobody has contested on this board? Note that each is about strategy, about thinking--which does not require any budget:

In the bowl game, on our 2nd last possession, which only resulted in a field goal to get to 23-28 and lasted from 7:47 to go until 4:40 to go, we showed no hurry-up, no urgency to get to the line and get off plays despite the time crush and obviously limited further chances to score given the clock.

Also, in the bowl game, we used our trick play (qb in motion with direct snap to running back) in the first half at a not particularly urgent time instead of using it on our 3rd last drive with 10:02 to go in the game and down 20-28 on 4th and a short two from their 29(again, with an obviously limited number of remaining legit scoring opps to ensue due to the clock).

Clear coaching brain-farts which have zero to do with "a very large check."


If you want to believe as you do despite 12 years of evidence, then you will.

You can hate on me. It doesn't make me wrong.
But you ARE wrong. all the time. Whether you like it or not, you're the Donald Trump of this board. You repeat things over and over and louder and louder regardless of whether they're true. What is your end goal? Is there anyone here who doesn't know your opinion? what actually has to happen before you quit ruining every single thread? You want Frank fired. we get it. we get it, we heard it. Either apply for the AD job or shut the ehf up.

as for that direct snap, we do that play at least once a year. Also, we did it to pick up a key 3rd down earlier in the game. 4th down in the 4th quarter isn't the only key play in a football game, and your first touchdown is as important as your last. If we "saved" the trick play, maybe we don't get the first down earlier and don't even have a chance to be within one score later in the game.

Also, I agree with you - I think we should have gone for it instead of the long fg, but it's about a 60-40 situation. You deal only in absolutes and you're seeing things only in a way that fit your narrative. If it works, it's brilliant, if it doesn't, it's a "coaching brain fart". our kicker already hit a long field goal and has been quite reliable. three points is better than zero. we could have picked up a first down, run two more minutes off and still ended up with a long field goal try. Then where are we? we had plenty of chances in the game. no chances were eliminated due to clock management. we missed a fg, and we failed to execute on the last drive. Time was not a factor. Inconsistent and shoddy (while at times explosive and effective, yes) QB play, and an offensive line that seemed to regress over the course of the year is why we lost in Detroit and Alabama. We wanted to be a running team this year because we knew we weren't equipped to throw 40x a game and win. For various reasons, including injuries, we were left only with that option at the end of the season. So, try having an actual discussion instead of posting the same stupid crap over and over.

WRONG in so many ways. Don't have time for them all now. But start with using that once a year play in the second quarter instead of the decisive time in the fourth qtr.

And, "no chancew were eliminated due to clock management" is just poor thinking. Our constant casual tempo clearly is out of sync with the hurry-it-up that is required, smart ball for a team that's behind in the fourth quarter...as we were so often this year.

Yeah, and if we should not have gone for it on that 4th and short 2 at their 30 late in the game because, hey, even if we'd've gotten the first down we might not have scored a td.

Seriously, you'd be more impressive if you'd post the opposite of what's going through your mind.
Ok, I'll post the opposite of what's going through my mind... please keep demonstrating your lack of knowledge about anything by posting the same crap over and over again on every thread, regardless of the topic. it's not annoying, and neither are you.

Once again, you're reading only one line of what I wrote and taking it to fit your narrative. I simply said that picking up the first down and failing to improve the situation was one of many scenarios. Do you have such a small eye for context and variables? See if you can be a little less dense going forward and understand that football is not a perfect science. I know it's California and it's the holiday season but stop doing acid for five seconds and let your brain run on oxygen for a spell. You're dealing in one possible scenario. I'm dealing in reality in that several things could have happened. Some good, some bad. Getting points NOW and ensuring we'd get the ball at least one more time was a valid option. As I said, kicking the fg wasn't my favorite option either, but there is merit to that choice. Even with the miss at that time (10 min still in the game), we were still within one score and we got the ball back TWICE. We had plenty of time! The facts bear that out. It's unfortunate that our usually reliable kicker hooked the hell out of that particular attempt. And it's unfortunate that we didn't execute on our last drive, but the clock never came into play.

Do you want to talk about our execution? Do you want to talk about whether we have enough talent? You're picking on the most simplistic things because they are easy topics for you to rant about and pin on the coaches. They may be at fault for our loss, but clock management and going for a field goal in a one score game with 10 minutes left wasn't why we lost.

I'm shocked you're not a D1 coach, Monroe. just... shocked.
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giacomo
12/30/2016 11:22 AM
you are deciduously making too much sense!
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allen
12/30/2016 11:37 AM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
When someone says "you are accepting mediocrity", that implies that any of us has any control over wins and losses. We don't, unless you cut a very large check which changes the dynamic of our program. We are merely spectators. The way I look at it, unless you pony up like Phil Knight at Oregon or T. Boone Pickens at Oklahoma State, shut your pie hole. Even that kind of jack doesn't buy you championships every year.
This is wrong on so many levels. It's not about all about the schools, it is about the fans. The fans helps the team get sponsors and sell merchandise. They all provide revenue for AD's to use to keep the school moving forward. Most of all, fans hype up the players. The fans need to believe, they need to give the team a boost. Now you may be a loyalist to coaches or a team manager. You may dog sit for the team manager and rake his or her leaves, but you have no right to tell anybody to shut their pie hole or push your mediocrity on any of the other fans. We all have to go out and be successful and your mediocrity is of no benefit to any of us or the players.
Indeed.

Hey, giacomo, how about these two which nobody has contested on this board? Note that each is about strategy, about thinking--which does not require any budget:

In the bowl game, on our 2nd last possession, which only resulted in a field goal to get to 23-28 and lasted from 7:47 to go until 4:40 to go, we showed no hurry-up, no urgency to get to the line and get off plays despite the time crush and obviously limited further chances to score given the clock.

Also, in the bowl game, we used our trick play (qb in motion with direct snap to running back) in the first half at a not particularly urgent time instead of using it on our 3rd last drive with 10:02 to go in the game and down 20-28 on 4th and a short two from their 29(again, with an obviously limited number of remaining legit scoring opps to ensue due to the clock).

Clear coaching brain-farts which have zero to do with "a very large check."


If you want to believe as you do despite 12 years of evidence, then you will.

You can hate on me. It doesn't make me wrong.
But you ARE wrong. all the time. Whether you like it or not, you're the Donald Trump of this board. You repeat things over and over and louder and louder regardless of whether they're true. What is your end goal? Is there anyone here who doesn't know your opinion? what actually has to happen before you quit ruining every single thread? You want Frank fired. we get it. we get it, we heard it. Either apply for the AD job or shut the ehf up.

as for that direct snap, we do that play at least once a year. Also, we did it to pick up a key 3rd down earlier in the game. 4th down in the 4th quarter isn't the only key play in a football game, and your first touchdown is as important as your last. If we "saved" the trick play, maybe we don't get the first down earlier and don't even have a chance to be within one score later in the game.

Also, I agree with you - I think we should have gone for it instead of the long fg, but it's about a 60-40 situation. You deal only in absolutes and you're seeing things only in a way that fit your narrative. If it works, it's brilliant, if it doesn't, it's a "coaching brain fart". our kicker already hit a long field goal and has been quite reliable. three points is better than zero. we could have picked up a first down, run two more minutes off and still ended up with a long field goal try. Then where are we? we had plenty of chances in the game. no chances were eliminated due to clock management. we missed a fg, and we failed to execute on the last drive. Time was not a factor. Inconsistent and shoddy (while at times explosive and effective, yes) QB play, and an offensive line that seemed to regress over the course of the year is why we lost in Detroit and Alabama. We wanted to be a running team this year because we knew we weren't equipped to throw 40x a game and win. For various reasons, including injuries, we were left only with that option at the end of the season. So, try having an actual discussion instead of posting the same stupid crap over and over.

WRONG in so many ways. Don't have time for them all now. But start with using that once a year play in the second quarter instead of the decisive time in the fourth qtr.

And, "no chancew were eliminated due to clock management" is just poor thinking. Our constant casual tempo clearly is out of sync with the hurry-it-up that is required, smart ball for a team that's behind in the fourth quarter...as we were so often this year.

Yeah, and if we should not have gone for it on that 4th and short 2 at their 30 late in the game because, hey, even if we'd've gotten the first down we might not have scored a td.

Seriously, you'd be more impressive if you'd post the opposite of what's going through your mind.
Ok, I'll post the opposite of what's going through my mind... please keep demonstrating your lack of knowledge about anything by posting the same crap over and over again on every thread, regardless of the topic. it's not annoying, and neither are you.

Once again, you're reading only one line of what I wrote and taking it to fit your narrative. I simply said that picking up the first down and failing to improve the situation was one of many scenarios. Do you have such a small eye for context and variables? See if you can be a little less dense going forward and understand that football is not a perfect science. I know it's California and it's the holiday season but stop doing acid for five seconds and let your brain run on oxygen for a spell. You're dealing in one possible scenario. I'm dealing in reality in that several things could have happened. Some good, some bad. Getting points NOW and ensuring we'd get the ball at least one more time was a valid option. As I said, kicking the fg wasn't my favorite option either, but there is merit to that choice. Even with the miss at that time (10 min still in the game), we were still within one score and we got the ball back TWICE. We had plenty of time! The facts bear that out. It's unfortunate that our usually reliable kicker hooked the hell out of that particular attempt. And it's unfortunate that we didn't execute on our last drive, but the clock never came into play.

Do you want to talk about our execution? Do you want to talk about whether we have enough talent? You're picking on the most simplistic things because they are easy topics for you to rant about and pin on the coaches. They may be at fault for our loss, but clock management and going for a field goal in a one score game with 10 minutes left wasn't why we lost.

I'm shocked you're not a D1 coach, Monroe. just... shocked.
Next year, we have to get better at clock and game management. The coaches cannot be blamed for the loss against Troy. Going for the missed field goal was not a bad decision, going for the second field goal was forced by the penalty against Pruehs. However, the timeout on 4th and three and then the QB draw to follow was questionable. You don't waste a timeout and come out with a play that you have ran the whole day and that the defense was expecting. There were too many instances in losses where we had to burn timeouts. I can't blame the coaches. We had two QB's that started for the first time this year. The coaches are going to probably have the same situation next year, so they will have to prepare the players to make better decisions. We also had a lot of bad penalties. What I was most encouraged by was FS honesty, he called a spade a spade and he made changes, now he needs to check his tool box to see if he has the right tools. He tried to to tighten the coverage after the cover 4 debacle against Texas State. He yanked QB's when they did not perform. He criticized the coaching when they made bad calls.
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