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cc-cat
1/2/2017 6:45 PM
One persons bad behavior is another's just behavior. and the casting aside of scholarship athletes when a better option comes along is not "perceived". It unfortunately is real. As is the sense amongst fans that most of these bowls are simply ESPN programming created to serve the pockets of ESPN, coaches/ADs and conference commissioners.

I have no issue with these guys sitting out. You and others do. and I buy the you owe it to your teammates argument except when the teammates endorse the decision. I simply can not buy the loyalty to the program argument when it is not a two way street.

I simply have to disagree with folks on this one. Doesn't make me right or wrong. Just disagree.
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Robert Fox
1/2/2017 6:55 PM
OK, but you seem to be supporting their choice based upon your own interpretation of their position--as opposed to what the players are actually claiming. They're sitting out to protect themselves from injury. I don't support that. I'm not sure you do either, as you say you support them sitting out for other reasons.
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cc-cat
1/2/2017 7:16 PM
I support their decision even if it is to protect their pro value. The programs protect their long term value by cutting players and ending their scholarship. Both sides simply looking out gor themselves. What is justified for the program is justified did he player / employee.
Last Edited: 1/2/2017 7:18:24 PM by cc-cat
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Robert Fox
1/2/2017 7:52 PM
You're right. We have to disagree. We can't be much further apart on this one.
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OhioCatFan
1/2/2017 8:18 PM
Robert Fox wrote:expand_more
You're right. We have to disagree. We can't be much further apart on this one.
Robert, I agree with just about every point you've made in this thread. I think my cousin in Knoxville would, too! ;-)
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cc-cat
1/2/2017 8:19 PM
Robert Fox wrote:expand_more
You're right. We have to disagree. We can't be much further apart on this one.
No problem. Even players have different views. I respect theirs and yours.
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rpbobcat
1/4/2017 6:54 AM
There's an article in today's (1/4) The Record by Ralph Russo of the A.P. on possible changes to the bowl system.

Based on the article, it appears that,in the future ,there may be a slight reduction in the overall number of bowls and the number of bowls a conference can lock in.
The lock in reduction is due in part to conferences not having a sufficient number of bowl eligible teams to fill all their bowl slots.

The article points out that there are a lot of people involved in college football who feel that all bowl eligible teams should be in a bowl.
This includes coaches who use the practice time for underclassmen player development.

One interesting point.
There's no mention of changing bowl eligibility to 7 wins.
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BillyTheCat
1/4/2017 11:30 AM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
There's an article in today's (1/4) The Record by Ralph Russo of the A.P. on possible changes to the bowl system.

Based on the article, it appears that,in the future ,there may be a slight reduction in the overall number of bowls and the number of bowls a conference can lock in.
The lock in reduction is due in part to conferences not having a sufficient number of bowl eligible teams to fill all their bowl slots.

The article points out that there are a lot of people involved in college football who feel that all bowl eligible teams should be in a bowl.
This includes coaches who use the practice time for underclassmen player development.

One interesting point.
There's no mention of changing bowl eligibility to 7 wins.
Don't fool yourself, coaches also want Bowl games to pad resumes and collect five and six figure bonuses. Just think 15 years ago a legit Miami team sat at home at 10-1 with its one loss being a close one to an undefeated team. Now we get excited about getting to 6 wins. Heck, Grobe would have had three teams minimum go to Bowl games today.
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rpbobcat
1/4/2017 12:13 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
There's an article in today's (1/4) The Record by Ralph Russo of the A.P. on possible changes to the bowl system.

Based on the article, it appears that,in the future ,there may be a slight reduction in the overall number of bowls and the number of bowls a conference can lock in.
The lock in reduction is due in part to conferences not having a sufficient number of bowl eligible teams to fill all their bowl slots.

The article points out that there are a lot of people involved in college football who feel that all bowl eligible teams should be in a bowl.
This includes coaches who use the practice time for underclassmen player development.

One interesting point.
There's no mention of changing bowl eligibility to 7 wins.
Don't fool yourself, coaches also want Bowl games to pad resumes and collect five and six figure bonuses. Just think 15 years ago a legit Miami team sat at home at 10-1 with its one loss being a close one to an undefeated team. Now we get excited about getting to 6 wins. Heck, Grobe would have had three teams minimum go to Bowl games today.
I was merely pointing out what Mr.Russo's article said about people involved in college football,as it pertains to going to bowls.

No question the points you raised are valid.

Going to bowls is also a recruiting tool.
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BillyTheCat
1/4/2017 12:14 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
There's an article in today's (1/4) The Record by Ralph Russo of the A.P. on possible changes to the bowl system.

Based on the article, it appears that,in the future ,there may be a slight reduction in the overall number of bowls and the number of bowls a conference can lock in.
The lock in reduction is due in part to conferences not having a sufficient number of bowl eligible teams to fill all their bowl slots.

The article points out that there are a lot of people involved in college football who feel that all bowl eligible teams should be in a bowl.
This includes coaches who use the practice time for underclassmen player development.

One interesting point.
There's no mention of changing bowl eligibility to 7 wins.
Don't fool yourself, coaches also want Bowl games to pad resumes and collect five and six figure bonuses. Just think 15 years ago a legit Miami team sat at home at 10-1 with its one loss being a close one to an undefeated team. Now we get excited about getting to 6 wins. Heck, Grobe would have had three teams minimum go to Bowl games today.
I was merely pointing out what Mr.Russo's article said about people involved in college football,as it pertains to going to bowls.

No question the points you raised are valid.

Going to bowls is also a recruiting tool.
Sorry, I was referring to the article and a "don't fool yourself" in general, not directed to you.
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ShoreCat
1/4/2017 12:40 PM
By my count, and I'm probably off on these estimates, there were 40 bowl games with 80 teams. Using the Bobcats roster, 40 players were draft-eligible (either red-shirt junior or older). If I apply that percentage, that means that 3,200 players who played in bowl games were draft eligible.

Of those, we are talking about a miniscule number who chose to sit out their bowl games due to their potential NFL future. Hell, only roughly 210 total players get drafted. We are not talking about a mass exodus of players who will refuse to play bowl games in the future.

I respect those of you who have strong opinions about being loyal to your team, but I will not fault McCaffrey and Fournette for their decision to sit out.
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