My point is that other state schools subsidizing their athletic departments doesn't negatively affect OSU one bit. Big bad evil empire does not need to limit MAC subsidies to protect their athletic department because MAC schools are not a threat. It's not their fight, so why fight it? Hell, you want to scare OSU, let the MAC+UC schools take that $168M in athletic subsidies and turn it into full-tuition scholarships for Ohio residents with a 30+ ACT score. That would get some attention in Columbus. They're probably quite happy with the rest of the state pouring it into an athletic sinkhole rather than into something that might actually compete with them.
And my point is that osu is helped if the other schools can't subsidize their programs with this particular revenue stream....precisely because it's a revenue stream that osu doesn't need!
Even if the on-field product isn't competitive, you apparently agree that the off-field product is--which is why those academic scholarships would be such a threat to osu.
Are you saying that Ohio University--or any other MAC school--would have the exact same public profile if there were no football team representing the school on Saturdays? Because if you're not taking that position, I don't know how you can assert that osu isn't helped when every other public school's athletic department loses a revenue stream that osu won't lose.
How is OSU helped? For them to be helped by hurting the MAC schools' athletic departments, you have to start from the proposition that MAC schools' athletic departments are a threat to them. They're not. I don't think they care one way or another how this plays out, but they're not the driving force behind it because it doesn't affect them.
As for being competitive off the field, every year the other state publics fall further and further behind Ohio State in freshmen class profiles, endowment, research dollars, faculty profiles etc (don't believe me read this report, specifically go down to PAGE 20:
https://mup.asu.edu/sites/default/files/mup-2015-top-amer... ) while at the same time, athletic subsidies at the other Ohio publics have gone through the roof. So how have these athletic subsidies helped us (or any other Ohio public) compete with OSU off the field versus putting that money directly into something (like recruiting better students and faculty) that directly competes with them off-field rather than hoping that the illusory "advertising effect" of athletics will have a magical subsidiary effect on the university as a whole?
I'm not saying that Ohio should abolish all subsidies, but for arguments sake it it did and split that $18M equally into recruiting faculty and students, every year Ohio would be able to create 5 fully endowed full Professorships and award 225 full-tuition, 4-year merit scholarships.
And, I don't advocate NO football team. One, however, can look at the University of California system where the campuses at Davis, Irvine, San Diego and Santa Barbara are world class, AAU-member universities with very low level athletic profiles. They don't seem to need FBS football to be top public universities. On the other side of the coin, you can look at schools like Alabama, Clemson, Auburn or LSU which are thoroughly mediocre universities despite being state flagships with big time football.
Last Edited: 6/30/2017 1:18:23 PM by OUPride