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Bobcatzblitz
6/17/2017 4:26 PM
RIP BIG VINNIE #64
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colobobcat66
6/17/2017 4:51 PM
Another tragedy with our ex-players. Very sad to hear.
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L.C.
6/17/2017 6:25 PM
http://www.hodappfuneralhome.com/obituary/vincent-anthony... /

This is a very sad day.
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Alan Swank
6/18/2017 1:33 PM
Any relation to CTE?
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colobobcat66
6/18/2017 3:27 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Any relation to CTE?
Makes you wonder. It seems like an ever increasing number of situations where injuries lead to various addictions. It's tragic regardless of cause.
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Kinggeorge4
6/19/2017 9:54 AM
Very sad, prayers to his family!
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OhioCatFan
6/19/2017 10:25 AM
Kinggeorge4 wrote:expand_more
Very sad, prayers to his family!
+1
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Bobcatzblitz
6/19/2017 5:16 PM
Yes CTE is suspected from playing days at Ohio
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BEG
6/19/2017 8:57 PM
Bobcatzblitz wrote:expand_more
Yes CTE is suspected from playing days at Ohio
Just curious...how do you know that?
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BillyTheCat
6/20/2017 8:59 AM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
Any relation to CTE?
Makes you wonder. It seems like an ever increasing number of situations where injuries lead to various addictions. It's tragic regardless of cause.
Addictions are killing record numbers of Americans every day. Especially in Ohio. CTE is not causing addictions.
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OUs LONG Driver
6/20/2017 9:10 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Any relation to CTE?
Makes you wonder. It seems like an ever increasing number of situations where injuries lead to various addictions. It's tragic regardless of cause.
Addictions are killing record numbers of Americans every day. Especially in Ohio. CTE is not causing addictions.
Not really the place to get off track but substance abuse and addiction is one of the primary behavioral symptoms of CTE. It's all speculation at this point, but thought it worth correcting. Truly sad either way.
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C Money
6/20/2017 10:25 AM
Wasn't he pretty frequently on the injured list for leg injuries? Even if not CTE, prescription painkillers could be the source of the addiction issue, a la Bret Favre.
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L.C.
6/20/2017 11:10 AM
He was frequently on the injured list, but my impression was concussions were also involved.
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Paul Graham
6/20/2017 11:48 AM
injuries->painkillers->addiction

Reasons to stop your kid from playing football (or watching it) keep piling up.
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rpbobcat
6/20/2017 12:01 PM
Paul Graham wrote:expand_more
injuries->painkillers->addiction

Reasons to stop your kid from playing football (or watching it) keep piling up.
First off,injuries are part of any contact sport.

I played soccer and wrestled in college.

Messed up my knees and one shoulder.
Had one concussion I know of.

I never had any inclination to take any pain killer stronger then Motrin.

I don't think the problem is as inherent to the sport,but to the person.
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C Money
6/20/2017 12:23 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
injuries->painkillers->addiction

Reasons to stop your kid from playing football (or watching it) keep piling up.
First off,injuries are part of any contact sport.

I played soccer and wrestled in college.

Messed up my knees and one shoulder.
Had one concussion I know of.

I never had any inclination to take any pain killer stronger then Motrin.

I don't think the problem is as inherent to the sport,but to the person.
I have been on prescription painkillers once, after having my wisdom teeth removed. I took one without thinking too much about it and then drove to work. It wasn't until I arrived that I realized how dumb that was, especially since I wasn't in that much pain. But the doc said to take them. I ignored his advice after that one time.

But we used to joke that the student health center would prescribe Loritab for a sore throat (which were gladly accepted by students and used recreationally or sold for recreational use...but that's a story for another day...). I can't imagine the availability and pressure to use if I was an athlete with actual injuries...
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rpbobcat
6/20/2017 12:41 PM
C Money wrote:expand_more
injuries->painkillers->addiction

Reasons to stop your kid from playing football (or watching it) keep piling up.
First off,injuries are part of any contact sport.

I played soccer and wrestled in college.

Messed up my knees and one shoulder.
Had one concussion I know of.

I never had any inclination to take any pain killer stronger then Motrin.

I don't think the problem is as inherent to the sport,but to the person.
I have been on prescription painkillers once, after having my wisdom teeth removed. I took one without thinking too much about it and then drove to work. It wasn't until I arrived that I realized how dumb that was, especially since I wasn't in that much pain. But the doc said to take them. I ignored his advice after that one time.

But we used to joke that the student health center would prescribe Loritab for a sore throat (which were gladly accepted by students and used recreationally or sold for recreational use...but that's a story for another day...). I can't imagine the availability and pressure to use if I was an athlete with actual injuries...
I think a lot of people use pain killers more to get back on the field,mat etc.
as soon as they can then because the actual pain.

That just starts a cycle of more severe injuries,more pain killers etc.

As far as the pressure of being an athlete,a lot of them,especially at the pro level will do anything to keep playing.
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L.C.
6/20/2017 1:42 PM
Paul Graham wrote:expand_more
injuries->painkillers->addiction

Reasons to stop your kid from playing football (or watching it) keep piling up.

It's not just football, though. Per wikipedia, the sports with the highest concussion rates among major sports:
Women's Ice Hockey - .91
Men's Ice Hockey - .41
Women's soccer - .41
Men's Football - .37
Men's soccer - .28
Men's wrestling - .25
Women's lacrosse - .25
Men's lacrosse - .25
Women's basetball - .22
Women's field hockey - .18

As I read this list, and contemplate the tremendous growth in women's sports in recent years, one thing that occurs to me is that I wonder if we are going to see a surge with CTE cases among women in the years ahead.

I guess we can still watch swimming, which no doubt has a near zero injury rate.
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rpbobcat
6/20/2017 2:33 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
injuries->painkillers->addiction

Reasons to stop your kid from playing football (or watching it) keep piling up.

It's not just football, though. Per wikipedia, the sports with the highest concussion rates among major sports:
Women's Ice Hockey - .91
Men's Ice Hockey - .41
Women's soccer - .41
Men's Football - .37
Men's soccer - .28
Men's wrestling - .25
Women's lacrosse - .25
Men's lacrosse - .25
Women's basetball - .22
Women's field hockey - .18

As I read this list, and contemplate the tremendous growth in women's sports in recent years, one thing that occurs to me is that I wonder if we are going to see a surge with CTE cases among women in the years ahead.

I guess we can still watch swimming, which no doubt has a near zero injury rate.
The above numbers can be misleading.
Earlier this year I was discussing this, as it pertained to college wrestling.

They are the estimated number of concussions per 1000 "athletic exposures".
An athletic exposure is a practice or event.

Doing the math for wrestling, you have a 0.025 % chance of getting a concussion each time you go out on the mat.

That's not a bad percentage.

One thing I did notice is that some people seem much more prone to concussions then others.
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BillyTheCat
6/20/2017 2:46 PM
The other thing that is misleading here are the sports who have athletes using the juice, substantial psychological effects themselves. The science is there on the harmful effects of these substances, however know one wants to discuss them. Look at the high profile football players from the 70's, 80's and 90's that have suffered tragic ends, they were all notorious users, same with guys like Lenny Dykstra.
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Sam bobcat
6/20/2017 3:10 PM
Paul Graham wrote:expand_more
injuries->painkillers->addiction

Reasons to stop your kid from playing football (or watching it) keep piling up.
You certainly can stop watching football if it is too violent for you, but with the increasing awareness and changing of tackling techniques taught, I expect we will see a decrease in concussions in football.
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L.C.
6/20/2017 8:17 PM
Sam bobcat wrote:expand_more
injuries->painkillers->addiction

Reasons to stop your kid from playing football (or watching it) keep piling up.
You certainly can stop watching football if it is too violent for you, but with the increasing awareness and changing of tackling techniques taught, I expect we will see a decrease in concussions in football.

I agree. Just for example, last year we saw Langston Provitt and Connor Krizancic hang it up because of concussions. Not too long ago we saw players take a day off, a week off, a month off, but when they felt better, they went back onto the field until they had another. Now they consider giving up the game before it has long term implications.
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Sam bobcat
6/20/2017 9:04 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
injuries->painkillers->addiction

Reasons to stop your kid from playing football (or watching it) keep piling up.
First off,injuries are part of any contact sport.

I played soccer and wrestled in college.

Messed up my knees and one shoulder.
Had one concussion I know of.

I never had any inclination to take any pain killer stronger then Motrin.

I don't think the problem is as inherent to the sport,but to the person.
To go even further than sports. I was injured in the Gulf War along with others I knew. Some struggled with post surgery addictions and some did not. It surely seems some are more prone than others to addiction. But I would imagine there are a myriad of factors that determine why.
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rpbobcat
6/21/2017 6:49 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
The other thing that is misleading here are the sports who have athletes using the juice, substantial psychological effects themselves. The science is there on the harmful effects of these substances, however know one wants to discuss them. Look at the high profile football players from the 70's, 80's and 90's that have suffered tragic ends, they were all notorious users, same with guys like Lenny Dykstra.
Don't forget baseball.

In college I worked out in a couple of hard core gyms.

There was always the "clean" side and "juice" side.

It was easy to tell when a guy started to "juice".
All of a sudden his bench would start going up in leaps and bounds.

We used to laugh when they'd say it was a new diet.

Now I work out at Gold's.
You hear guys talking about the "benefits" of juicing,if you do it "right".
"Right" meaning you don't get caught.

When someone brings up the harm they cause the usual answer is something like "I'll deal with that when I'm 40".
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BillyTheCat
6/21/2017 9:57 AM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
The other thing that is misleading here are the sports who have athletes using the juice, substantial psychological effects themselves. The science is there on the harmful effects of these substances, however know one wants to discuss them. Look at the high profile football players from the 70's, 80's and 90's that have suffered tragic ends, they were all notorious users, same with guys like Lenny Dykstra.
Don't forget baseball.

In college I worked out in a couple of hard core gyms.

There was always the "clean" side and "juice" side.

It was easy to tell when a guy started to "juice".
All of a sudden his bench would start going up in leaps and bounds.

We used to laugh when they'd say it was a new diet.

Now I work out at Gold's.
You hear guys talking about the "benefits" of juicing,if you do it "right".
"Right" meaning you don't get caught.

When someone brings up the harm they cause the usual answer is something like "I'll deal with that when I'm 40".
Exactly, and until the use of roids and synthetics are addressed on the medical level, I will not believe that the CTE is a concussion only issue. Because we do not see the amount of CTE issues with other high concussion sports that do not have the prevalence of roids. But especially the old school "juice" (HGH) was known to fry the brains of long term users.
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