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L.C.
6/21/2017 11:42 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Exactly, and until the use of roids and synthetics are addressed on the medical level, I will not believe that the CTE is a concussion only issue. Because we do not see the amount of CTE issues with other high concussion sports that do not have the prevalence of roids. But especially the old school "juice" (HGH) was known to fry the brains of long term users.

Here is an article that raises the possibility that steroids could make concussions worse, but it's based only on anecdotal evidence that CTE seems more common in the steroid era:
http://www.josephfclark.com/blog/?p=1156

That begs the question, is it really more common, or are we just more aware of it?

Here is a study of rats looking for a connection between steroids and CTE. They found none:
http://www.news-medical.net/news/20120120/Anabolic-steroi...

Another article suggests that while steroids don't directly affect the development of CTE, they may affect behavior, making the person more aggressive, both on and off the field, and that, in turn, may lead to more concussions:
https://www.quora.com/Are-steroids-playing-a-role-in-the-...

Yet another possible connection is that, to the extent that steroids accomplish their purpose of making the athletes bigger, faster, and stronger, that will lead to bigger, faster, players hitting harder, and thus more concussions.
Last Edited: 6/21/2017 12:33:19 PM by L.C.
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BillyTheCat
6/21/2017 12:32 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
Exactly, and until the use of roids and synthetics are addressed on the medical level, I will not believe that the CTE is a concussion only issue. Because we do not see the amount of CTE issues with other high concussion sports that do not have the prevalence of roids. But especially the old school "juice" (HGH) was known to fry the brains of long term users.

Here is an article that raises the possibility that steroids could make concussions worse, but it's based only on anecdotal evidence that CTE seems more common in the steroid era:
http://www.josephfclark.com/blog/?p=1156

Here is a study of rats looking for that connection. They found none:
http://www.news-medical.net/news/20120120/Anabolic-steroi...

Another article suggests that while steroids don't directly affect the development of CTE, they may affect behavior, making the person more aggressive, both on and off the field, and that, in turn, may lead to more concussions:
https://www.quora.com/Are-steroids-playing-a-role-in-the-...
Problem is the professional and armature groups (including the players associations) will not broach this topic because neither the organizations or the players want to admit that the practice of roids was anything but circumstantial. I look no further to the tragic end of every offensive lineman of the great Steelers teams, the team that made weight lifting a part of the NFL and pioneered the use of roids'. Interesting that of all the offensive linemen in that era, that entire squad suffered mental illnesess. And it was/is known the stuff those guys were taking were straight up animal hormones with severe psychological effects. Yet then the Players Association wanted to run Mike Webster out as a poster child for the cruelness of the NFL.
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rpbobcat
6/21/2017 1:26 PM
From my experience as a "gym rat" ,its really not hard to tell when someone is "juicing".

If you look at pictures of Arnold Schwarzenegger or Sylvester Stallone,you can see exactly when they started "juicing".

When Lyle Alzado made his NFL comeback,it was obvious he was "juicing",big time.
He denied it,until he developed brain cancer.

When I first started lifting in college I worked out 4-5 days a week and ate 6 meals a day.
I gained about 15lbs of muscle in about 7 months.

There was an article in the local paper about 2 high school football players.
Both ended up in the NFL.
Through "diet and exercise" they gained around 35 lbs. of muscle over their Summer Recess.
That was before any drug tests for high school atheletes and couches were pretty much "don't ask,don't tell".
Last Edited: 6/21/2017 1:28:25 PM by rpbobcat
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BillyTheCat
6/21/2017 5:43 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
From my experience as a "gym rat" ,its really not hard to tell when someone is "juicing".

If you look at pictures of Arnold Schwarzenegger or Sylvester Stallone,you can see exactly when they started "juicing".

When Lyle Alzado made his NFL comeback,it was obvious he was "juicing",big time.
He denied it,until he developed brain cancer.

When I first started lifting in college I worked out 4-5 days a week and ate 6 meals a day.
I gained about 15lbs of muscle in about 7 months.

There was an article in the local paper about 2 high school football players.
Both ended up in the NFL.
Through "diet and exercise" they gained around 35 lbs. of muscle over their Summer Recess.
That was before any drug tests for high school atheletes and couches were pretty much "don't ask,don't tell".
I've never known a single high school who drug tested for anything but recreational drugs, even many colleges no longer test for performance enhancers and some do not test for recreational drugs anymore.

But you are right, it's not hard to tell.
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rpbobcat
6/22/2017 6:46 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
From my experience as a "gym rat" ,its really not hard to tell when someone is "juicing".

If you look at pictures of Arnold Schwarzenegger or Sylvester Stallone,you can see exactly when they started "juicing".

When Lyle Alzado made his NFL comeback,it was obvious he was "juicing",big time.
He denied it,until he developed brain cancer.

When I first started lifting in college I worked out 4-5 days a week and ate 6 meals a day.
I gained about 15lbs of muscle in about 7 months.

There was an article in the local paper about 2 high school football players.
Both ended up in the NFL.
Through "diet and exercise" they gained around 35 lbs. of muscle over their Summer Recess.
That was before any drug tests for high school atheletes and couches were pretty much "don't ask,don't tell".
I've never known a single high school who drug tested for anything but recreational drugs, even many colleges no longer test for performance enhancers and some do not test for recreational drugs anymore.

But you are right, it's not hard to tell.

Unless you have a system like the Olympics, where they can test you anytime, and also include blood tests,you can beat the drug testing.

A perfect example is Lance Armstrong.

Like I said before,I used to work out in some hard corps gyms.
The guys there had "cycling" down to an art.
This was before blood testing,but they used to say that,if you cycled properly,you always pass a urine test.

Now HGH has gotten popular and finding that requires a blood test.
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BillyTheCat
6/22/2017 10:00 AM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
From my experience as a "gym rat" ,its really not hard to tell when someone is "juicing".

If you look at pictures of Arnold Schwarzenegger or Sylvester Stallone,you can see exactly when they started "juicing".

When Lyle Alzado made his NFL comeback,it was obvious he was "juicing",big time.
He denied it,until he developed brain cancer.

When I first started lifting in college I worked out 4-5 days a week and ate 6 meals a day.
I gained about 15lbs of muscle in about 7 months.

There was an article in the local paper about 2 high school football players.
Both ended up in the NFL.
Through "diet and exercise" they gained around 35 lbs. of muscle over their Summer Recess.
That was before any drug tests for high school atheletes and couches were pretty much "don't ask,don't tell".
I've never known a single high school who drug tested for anything but recreational drugs, even many colleges no longer test for performance enhancers and some do not test for recreational drugs anymore.

But you are right, it's not hard to tell.

Unless you have a system like the Olympics, where they can test you anytime, and also include blood tests,you can beat the drug testing.

A perfect example is Lance Armstrong.

Like I said before,I used to work out in some hard corps gyms.
The guys there had "cycling" down to an art.
This was before blood testing,but they used to say that,if you cycled properly,you always pass a urine test.

Now HGH has gotten popular and finding that requires a blood test.
Yep!!!!
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rpbobcat
6/22/2017 3:58 PM
Just got back from a work out at Gold's.

Forgot something.

As bad a "juicing' is for guys,some of the women there,who are obviously "juicing" are scary !.
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