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bigtillyoopsupsideurhead
8/23/2017 11:25 AM
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Amen x 2. Participation Trophy era needs to end. Disappointment is a part of life ... and one that only makes you stronger.
None of your ranting and raving makes any sense. Point to anywhere where a millennial is complaining about the job being too hard. The only person I saw mention that is BillyTheCat, and I am pretty sure he isn't a millennial.

And stop using the "participation trophy" thing, it is entirely played out and non-sensical. If anyone is to blame for participation trophies it would be the parents of millennials, not the millennials themselves. Or do you think that 6 year olds went out and bought their own runner up trophies to give to each other at the end of baseball season?

Your anecdotal evidence is non-sense.
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bshot44
8/23/2017 11:38 AM
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:expand_more
Amen x 2. Participation Trophy era needs to end. Disappointment is a part of life ... and one that only makes you stronger.
None of your ranting and raving makes any sense. Point to anywhere where a millennial is complaining about the job being too hard. The only person I saw mention that is BillyTheCat, and I am pretty sure he isn't a millennial.

And stop using the "participation trophy" thing, it is entirely played out and non-sensical. If anyone is to blame for participation trophies it would be the parents of millennials, not the millennials themselves. Or do you think that 6 year olds went out and bought their own runner up trophies to give to each other at the end of baseball season?

Your anecdotal evidence is non-sense.
Here's your participation trophy. Thanks for taking part in this thread  🏆

I think there are a lot of people in this thread that have pointed to moments they've encountered millennials complaining about stuff. So I'm pretty sure I'm not on an island here.

And as far as blaming folks for the participation trophy ... I have no problem blaming the parents for this culture. It's true. The everyone gets a trophy epidemic isn't the 6yr olds fault. But it has certainly helped create this culture we live in now. Ignoring it is only "non-sense".
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Mark Lembright '85
8/23/2017 12:38 PM
I'm always amazed-we BAers seem to have the ability to complain about the most inane matters. As between OhioBobcats.com and this site, one can get a lot of information about football camp. But this thread is entertaining and enlightening nevertheless.

I admit, at times I have the same thoughts about millenials, but if I'm honest with myself, I have to admit that what's being said about millenials is pretty much what every generation says about the prior generation. I can't even begin to imagine what Depression-era/WW 2 parents thought about how easy their children/grandchildren had it compared to themselves! Like every generation, there are hard working millenials and ones that are lazy. Laziness is not restricted to any particular generation, that's for sure.

As to the having some student wanting to do extra football-reporting on his/her own, maybe just maybe no student has any interest in doing that. Caleb Troop is an exception, not the rule. The fact that there's no student taking on the duties of supplying football coverage on their own ala Troop leads me to believe that there's no student or person that particularly wants to.
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OUs LONG Driver
8/23/2017 12:49 PM
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
I'm always amazed-we BAers seem to have the ability to complain about the most inane matters. As between OhioBobcats.com and this site, one can get a lot of information about football camp. But this thread is entertaining and enlightening nevertheless.

I admit, at times I have the same thoughts about millenials, but if I'm honest with myself, I have to admit that what's being said about millenials is pretty much what every generation says about the prior generation. I can't even begin to imagine what Depression-era/WW 2 parents thought about how easy their children/grandchildren had it compared to themselves! Like every generation, there are hard working millenials and ones that are lazy. Laziness is not restricted to any particular generation, that's for sure.

As to the having some student wanting to do extra football-reporting on his/her own, maybe just maybe no student has any interest in doing that. Caleb Troop is an exception, not the rule. The fact that there's no student taking on the duties of supplying football coverage on their own ala Troop leads me to believe that there's no student or person that particularly wants to.
Mark nailed it.
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bshot44
8/23/2017 12:52 PM
While some might be calling for student participation, I'm asking the full-time, paid university jobs to provide a more consistent product... mainly Bobcat TV
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OU_Country
8/23/2017 2:35 PM
OUs LONG Driver wrote:expand_more
I'm always amazed-we BAers seem to have the ability to complain about the most inane matters. As between OhioBobcats.com and this site, one can get a lot of information about football camp. But this thread is entertaining and enlightening nevertheless.

I admit, at times I have the same thoughts about millenials, but if I'm honest with myself, I have to admit that what's being said about millenials is pretty much what every generation says about the prior generation. I can't even begin to imagine what Depression-era/WW 2 parents thought about how easy their children/grandchildren had it compared to themselves! Like every generation, there are hard working millenials and ones that are lazy. Laziness is not restricted to any particular generation, that's for sure.

As to the having some student wanting to do extra football-reporting on his/her own, maybe just maybe no student has any interest in doing that. Caleb Troop is an exception, not the rule. The fact that there's no student taking on the duties of supplying football coverage on their own ala Troop leads me to believe that there's no student or person that particularly wants to.
Mark nailed it.
+1. Especially the first paragraph.
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OU_Country
8/23/2017 2:36 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
While some might be calling for student participation, I'm asking the full-time, paid university jobs to provide a more consistent product... mainly Bobcat TV
With that likely comes higher ticket prices and Bobcat Club donations.
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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
8/23/2017 2:49 PM
It took me a really long time to get this through my head: If there was a market for more Ohio Bobcat football reporting and multimedia, there would be more Ohio Bobcat football reporting and multimedia. The clicks, TV ratings and circulation numbers would reflect an insatiable thirst for Bobcat info and content. OhioBobcatTV's click numbers, even when Evan was in Athens and the content was spectacular, has always been paltry.

Evan's impeccable first episode of "Relentless," (better than anything Ohio State produces about its football program)....has 1,759 views on Vimeo...six years after it went online.

Sometimes the things we like isn't what the public at large likes. So you learn to love what you love and not expect attention. I like some obscure bands. I don't expect them to get a gig at Madison Square Garden. If I believe there should be more written about them, I could write something, but I don't demand others to WORK FOR FREE or SLAVE LABOR RATES to feed my relatively obscure taste in music. I appreciate when a website does something on them.

tl;dr — Appreciate Arkley. Pay that man his money.
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OUcats82
8/23/2017 3:06 PM
Brian Smith wrote:expand_more
It took me a really long time to get this through my head: If there was a market for more Ohio Bobcat football reporting and multimedia, there would be more Ohio Bobcat football reporting and multimedia. The clicks, TV ratings and circulation numbers would reflect an insatiable thirst for Bobcat info and content. OhioBobcatTV's click numbers, even when Evan was in Athens and the content was spectacular, has always been paltry.

Evan's impeccable first episode of "Relentless," (better than anything Ohio State produces about its football program)....has 1,759 views on Vimeo...six years after it went online.

Sometimes the things we like isn't what the public at large likes. So you learn to love what you love and not expect attention. I like some obscure bands. I don't expect them to get a gig at Madison Square Garden. If I believe there should be more written about them, I could write something, but I don't demand others to WORK FOR FREE or SLAVE LABOR RATES to feed my relatively obscure taste in music. I appreciate when a website does something on them.

tl;dr — Appreciate Arkley. Pay that man his money.
You are not alone in coming to this realization. I'd love for there to be a glut of content to waste my time absorbing on the Ohio Bobcats similar to some high major teams but the demand is just not there. I also participate on a high school football message board and there are many times where a thread about say a Cleveland St. Ignatius vs. Cincinnati St. X game has 10x more pages than say ones of here discussing the Miami game. Perhaps not apples to apples but I think you get my point.

I am sure there are many things our athletic department staffers have to spend time on that we will never see or know about but are an important part of preparing for game days beyond football. Just because we don't spend time and energy talking about field hockey doesn't mean there are hours upon hours spent on it. The larger the budget, the larger the pool of resources, the larger the output (in this case media and other coverage).
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bshot44
8/23/2017 3:18 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
While some might be calling for student participation, I'm asking the full-time, paid university jobs to provide a more consistent product... mainly Bobcat TV
With that likely comes higher ticket prices and Bobcat Club donations.

[/QUOTE]Not sure if I'm conveying this correctly. I'm not asking for funds to be raised or added nor do I believe they need to be. There are two full-pay jobs currently in the athletic department for Bobcat TV. While they might not be high-paying, this is their job. I'm just asking for a little more consistency with the content. It really doesn't take much to post interviews after practice/games on a consistent basis. If you do one player profile, why not all of them? If you do wrap-up videos for just the wins .... why not the losses? The more consistent quality content that is produced the better. It's only a positive to help elevate the athletic program, especially in this era of social media, etc.

[QUOTE=Brian Smith] It took me a really long time to get this through my head: If there was a market for more Ohio Bobcat football reporting and multimedia, there would be more Ohio Bobcat football reporting and multimedia. The clicks, TV ratings and circulation numbers would reflect an insatiable thirst for Bobcat info and content. OhioBobcatTV's click numbers, even when Evan was in Athens and the content was spectacular, has always been paltry.

Evan's impeccable first episode of "Relentless," (better than anything Ohio State produces about its football program)....has 1,759 views on Vimeo...six years after it went online.

Sometimes the things we like isn't what the public at large likes. So you learn to love what you love and not expect attention. I like some obscure bands. I don't expect them to get a gig at Madison Square Garden. If I believe there should be more written about them, I could write something, but I don't demand others to WORK FOR FREE or SLAVE LABOR RATES to feed my relatively obscure taste in music. I appreciate when a website does something on them.

tl;dr — Appreciate Arkley. Pay that man his money.
Relentless and the baskeball show was also aired on STO, Fox Sports Ohio, Fox Sports Cincinnati, Ohio News Network.

So the "paltry" vimeo numbers don't really carry much weight. Those shows weren't produced to be viewed on YouTube. They were television shows that reached thousands of households and was amazing exposure for the university and those programs.
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L.C.
8/23/2017 5:15 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Relentless and the baskeball show was also aired on STO, Fox Sports Ohio, Fox Sports Cincinnati, Ohio News Network.

So the "paltry" vimeo numbers don't really carry much weight. Those shows weren't produced to be viewed on YouTube. They were television shows that reached thousands of households and was amazing exposure for the university and those programs.

I agree that the YouTube plays tell you nothing. The material was relevant at the time, but quickly became dated. The only reason to watch it today would just be to see what can be done. The unanswered question that is the elephant in the room is "how were the live ratings?" If they were good, there should be a ready market for similar content, but if they were bad, there would be no reason to produce a similar show today.
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BillyTheCat
8/23/2017 10:30 PM
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:expand_more
Amen x 2. Participation Trophy era needs to end. Disappointment is a part of life ... and one that only makes you stronger.
None of your ranting and raving makes any sense. Point to anywhere where a millennial is complaining about the job being too hard. The only person I saw mention that is BillyTheCat, and I am pretty sure he isn't a millennial.

And stop using the "participation trophy" thing, it is entirely played out and non-sensical. If anyone is to blame for participation trophies it would be the parents of millennials, not the millennials themselves. Or do you think that 6 year olds went out and bought their own runner up trophies to give to each other at the end of baseball season?

Your anecdotal evidence is non-sense.
I never said the job was too hard, I said it's low pay and long hours and that's why people move on. That's just a fact of life.
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BillyTheCat
8/23/2017 10:33 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
While some might be calling for student participation, I'm asking the full-time, paid university jobs to provide a more consistent product... mainly Bobcat TV
I'll say it again, go out and endow the position and you will get your wish. In this time of budget cutting, I don't think that is going to happen anytime soon.
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bshot44
8/24/2017 11:14 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
While some might be calling for student participation, I'm asking the full-time, paid university jobs to provide a more consistent product... mainly Bobcat TV
I'll say it again, go out and endow the position and you will get your wish. In this time of budget cutting, I don't think that is going to happen anytime soon.
Again, I'm not sure if you are missing the point.

These jobs already exist. No endowment is necessary. Turning out more consistent raw interviews and highlight clips isn't asking too much ... nor is a pay increase necessary to expect that.

They already do this for some games .... and it's sporadic. I'm just asking for a little consistency and less randomness.

It comes more down to planning and execution. Doing 1 random player profile for the men's basketball team is pointless. Why not do them all ... or all the seniors ... or at least all the starters?

I don't care if the job pays $22k or $222k .... a little consistency in production isn't too much to ask.

The product they turn is normally good .... but it's unreliable when you have to guess what they're going to do and when they're going to do it.
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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
8/24/2017 11:22 AM
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Relentless and the baskeball show was also aired on STO, Fox Sports Ohio, Fox Sports Cincinnati, Ohio News Network.

So the "paltry" vimeo numbers don't really carry much weight. Those shows weren't produced to be viewed on YouTube. They were television shows that reached thousands of households and was amazing exposure for the university and those programs.
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Yes, this was the point of my post — to argue about the difference between 1,700 and 9,000 people seeing a television show produced six years ago in a state of 11.6 million people, which was surrounded by such other ratings blockbusters as Bruce Drennan shouting at a screen for an hour, Tony Grossi dissecting the ineptitude of the worst professional franchise in sports , drunk people messing up easy sports questions, Cleveland State University basketball reports and Jimmy Hanlin in salmon polka-dotted pants and an up-do hitting bunker shots and creepily interacting with Natalie Gulbis.

Sorry. That was a rant. I don't disagree on the Vimeo numbers. I was just using that as an example of the issues we're dealing with here. The appetite for Ohio content is not what we think it is. It's not enough to sustain a full-time position at a competitive wage. It's not enough to expect wall-to-wall coverage.

If some intrepid student wants to cover Ohio football 24 hours a day or produce quality videos on the cheap, I'll be the first one to watch. But to expect it is just misguided.
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bshot44
8/24/2017 11:58 AM
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Yes, this was the point of my post — to argue about the difference between 1,700 and 9,000 people seeing a television show produced six years ago in a state of 11.6 million people, which was surrounded by such other ratings blockbusters as Bruce Drennan shouting at a screen for an hour, Tony Grossi dissecting the ineptitude of the worst professional franchise in sports , drunk people messing up easy sports questions, Cleveland State University basketball reports and Jimmy Hanlin in salmon polka-dotted pants and an up-do hitting bunker shots and creepily interacting with Natalie Gulbis.

Sorry. That was a rant. I don't disagree on the Vimeo numbers. I was just using that as an example of the issues we're dealing with here. The appetite for Ohio content is not what we think it is. It's not enough to sustain a full-time position at a competitive wage. It's not enough to expect wall-to-wall coverage.

If some intrepid student wants to cover Ohio football 24 hours a day or produce quality videos on the cheap, I'll be the first one to watch. But to expect it is just misguided.
I think your rant is misguided (at least towards me)

I agree ... we are NOT ever going to see the content that Evan Shaw and his team pumped out during his time in that role. It was more of a labor of love than it was a job requirement. You'll get no argument from me. The amount of time/energy/work he put into those shows for what he was being paid was absurd. We were lucky to catch lightning in a bottle having a guy who shoots for NFL Films put together award-winning content on Ohio football and basketball.

But to say it didn't really have an impact is just wrong in my opinion. Unfortunately, cable doesn't do ratings like network TV. So I'm not sure you can get a hard number on how many people tuned in on those STO, FSO, ONN networks. But the fact that Ohio athletics had that out there and no other school in the MAC (or other mid-majors on Ohio's level) had anything close to it .... it was a great marketing/recruiting tool.

So you are right .... to get someone into that role with Evan's experience and skillset would cost more money then they are willing to spend. So i don't expect that to ever happen in the near future.

BUT.....

To expect that role to turn out 2:30 highlight packages with video that is already being shot isn't too much to ask for. And I'm not talking about the high angle, coaches cam video that is used during Russ/Rob's postgame wrap-up.

If you're going to go to the trouble of shooting a Bobcat football game from the sideline, why not share the footage? I just don't understand that. We've seen them do it post-Evan .... but it's so sporadic and inconsistent. I'm just asking for them to get a little more consistent with the product.

If football is the biggest revenue sport and you're trying to grow your fanbase ... better market the team .... better exposure .... why wouldn't this be your format for every game?

2014 Idaho game:

Solich Game Week Presser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6K4hQ3jtFY
Game Week Interviews: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxrqZQrU1cY
Preview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL_9aQCHpwQ
Postgame Wrap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCMA3UwGGtM
Highlight Reel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9c3OIjKY98&t=51s

This is internet gold for Ohio football. This is well done ... complete coverage ... and it's great exposure for Ohio football. Tweet this out ... toss is up on Facebook or Instagram. This type of in-house video work is great! They did it for most games in 2014...but not all of them ... and since 2014 it's hit or miss what your get?!?! I just don't understand that? If you are getting recruited by Ohio and Kent State .... and you see this type of exposure for Ohio, wouldn't that sway your opinion as a 17-18yr old kid that spends their time on social media?

This is the type of structure/planning that should be in place for football.

I don't thinks it's sustainable for every sport (i.e. non-revenue sports like cross-country or field hockey) or needed.

But for basketball and football ... why not commit/expect those full-time roles to be making sure this type of content gets out there?

That's my point. The talent has been there .... and is there. But it just feels incredibly disjointed.

For example....2015 season

Idaho game coverage

Solich Game Week Presser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-RfNWrLaC8
Game Preview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cd_SsPU5As
Game Recap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB5MBTGaZFs
Game Postgame Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCxHLJZQSTM

Marshall coverage

Solich Presser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUyHGAMIfzs
Game Preview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNYKWM3pZ9M
Game Recap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5Xgey9A_zc

Ball State game coverage

Preview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzjX4Oqz0yw
Recap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzo43YexfG8

These were all Ohio wins....some at home, some on the road. It's all over the map what you're getting. You get a preview and recap of each .... some you get Solich game week presser, some you don't. Some you get postgame interviews ... some you don't (including the huge win at home over rival Marshall)

And that inconsistent coverage continued for 2016 and 2017.

All I'm suggesting is that if you have those roles, why not make sure they're producing this great content that helps lift the programs and department on a consistent basis?
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OU_Country
8/24/2017 12:28 PM
Seems to me bshot44, you should be honing up your resume & cover letter, and sending it in to Mr. Schaus.
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bshot44
8/24/2017 12:33 PM
Ha! If the pay was good and Athens was suddenly 20 mins from where I live I'd consider it :-)
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Valley Cat
8/24/2017 1:04 PM
I appreciate the Post and their efforts they have been a media presence in recent days but Kyle Kuhar was switched to offense in the Spring. Just ask somebody.
http://projects.thepostathens.com/SpecialProjects/welcome...
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bigtillyoopsupsideurhead
8/24/2017 8:08 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
While some might be calling for student participation, I'm asking the full-time, paid university jobs to provide a more consistent product... mainly Bobcat TV
I'll say it again, go out and endow the position and you will get your wish. In this time of budget cutting, I don't think that is going to happen anytime soon.

I'm actually not disagreeing you at all. Just trying to figure out where bshot44 is getting his strawman from.
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BillyTheCat
8/25/2017 12:30 AM
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Amen x 2. Participation Trophy era needs to end. Disappointment is a part of life ... and one that only makes you stronger.
I agree. My point was never to say "All millennials aren't looking for a handout" (I immediately went back and edited my post to clarify that some do, but it's not just millennials--I made a blanket statement and it was wrong). I'm five years out and only recently started making good enough money to not go to bed wondering if I'm going to make it with all the student loan debt I owe. My parents helped where they could and let me stay at home a little longer than expected, but for the most part, it was all on me. I expected nothing, because I learned it wasn't going to be easy.

My point has been, what is the school doing to make these positions more appealing, because the money won't be there and the hours aren't going to be great. What are they doing to set themselves apart? I don't think the problem boils down to kids not wanting to work, I think it boils down to the position not being good enough to take over other options.
Good for you for "getting it". Don't worry about the student loans....keep chipping away. I sent my last check in this year .... I graduated in 1998. It was a great feeling, ha!

As far as the job .... it's just the job. Whether you're at Ohio University, Ohio State, Kansas or Duke. That job typically doesn't pay and the hours aren't good. That even goes for similar jobs at the pro level.

Now, you might get a little more money at O$U or another major school or in the NHL. But it's not like it pays $25k at Ohio and $125k at O$U.

The school doesn't necessarily need to make the job more appealing ... they just need to hire someone that understands the expectations, understands the possibilities and is ready to come in and bust their butt. That all comes thru the interview process. They have to know that the turnaround is probably going to be frequent. It's just the nature of that role.

But ultimately, it comes down to setting realistic expectations for that role. The inconsistent nature of what they've produced year after year is hard to take them serious. I know Evan Shaw and his team went far and beyond expectation ... which is why that product was as awesome as it was. And I don't have any expectation that we'll see that again quite honestly. But (from experience) I know there is content just sitting out there to gather.

Considering the media that covers them (Arkley, A-News & Post) daily ... if Ohio wants to market themselves to their current fans, fringe fans, and potential new fans it's on them to do it themselves.

Getting random game highlights here and there won't cut it.

These type of videos I'm talking about. These are great little short featurettes that give fans a glimpse into these guys. Not a ton of work involved in them. But we got them once in 2015 and never again.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLs3uCcmV1tUgEhePXb...

The "NFL Films-type" highlight recaps should be done for every game ... especially for the revenue sports like men's hoops and football (and probably even women's hoops). Sorry, I'm not being disrespectful to the non-revenue sports and I'm not saying they should be ignored. But everyone knows where the money is spent and where the majority of the marketing should be focused on. The cameras are there....but we rarely get to see the footage except for Russ/Rob's short recaps (which are great and should continue)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9c3OIjKY98&list=PL0EE2D6...

We get a random Kenny Kaminski player profile (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c40Uz3wCgJs&index=8&list=... ) .... and then absolutely none for the rest of the mens' team. And the women's team has randomly three of them.

Just go to this page and look at all over the place these videos are.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0EE2D6DC95D2190C

The fact they don't produce wrap-up videos for a loss is laughable. It's almost as if they don't talk about it, it didn't happen. Silly.

If you don't watch this video and get chills ... you aren't a Bobcat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikmS1rufXc0&index=83&list...

But these types of videos are so few and far between. It's almost like they do them if they feel like it .... but if they don't, no big worry.

Should be an expectation for the job to turn quality content like this out on a regular, reliable basis. So hit and miss.

The opportunity is there to make a lot of these sports "cool" ... which only helps marketing, recruiting, etc. But when it's done randomly it really doesn't help.
All the answers, just missing the questions and experiences. But keep solving the problems in a couple of simplified post. The department is working hard, its under funded in its support staff and these people give there best. Maybe someday, they will be fortunate enough to land BJ44 and win some emmys.
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bshot44
8/25/2017 10:21 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Amen x 2. Participation Trophy era needs to end. Disappointment is a part of life ... and one that only makes you stronger.
I agree. My point was never to say "All millennials aren't looking for a handout" (I immediately went back and edited my post to clarify that some do, but it's not just millennials--I made a blanket statement and it was wrong). I'm five years out and only recently started making good enough money to not go to bed wondering if I'm going to make it with all the student loan debt I owe. My parents helped where they could and let me stay at home a little longer than expected, but for the most part, it was all on me. I expected nothing, because I learned it wasn't going to be easy.

My point has been, what is the school doing to make these positions more appealing, because the money won't be there and the hours aren't going to be great. What are they doing to set themselves apart? I don't think the problem boils down to kids not wanting to work, I think it boils down to the position not being good enough to take over other options.
Good for you for "getting it". Don't worry about the student loans....keep chipping away. I sent my last check in this year .... I graduated in 1998. It was a great feeling, ha!

As far as the job .... it's just the job. Whether you're at Ohio University, Ohio State, Kansas or Duke. That job typically doesn't pay and the hours aren't good. That even goes for similar jobs at the pro level.

Now, you might get a little more money at O$U or another major school or in the NHL. But it's not like it pays $25k at Ohio and $125k at O$U.

The school doesn't necessarily need to make the job more appealing ... they just need to hire someone that understands the expectations, understands the possibilities and is ready to come in and bust their butt. That all comes thru the interview process. They have to know that the turnaround is probably going to be frequent. It's just the nature of that role.

But ultimately, it comes down to setting realistic expectations for that role. The inconsistent nature of what they've produced year after year is hard to take them serious. I know Evan Shaw and his team went far and beyond expectation ... which is why that product was as awesome as it was. And I don't have any expectation that we'll see that again quite honestly. But (from experience) I know there is content just sitting out there to gather.

Considering the media that covers them (Arkley, A-News & Post) daily ... if Ohio wants to market themselves to their current fans, fringe fans, and potential new fans it's on them to do it themselves.

Getting random game highlights here and there won't cut it.

These type of videos I'm talking about. These are great little short featurettes that give fans a glimpse into these guys. Not a ton of work involved in them. But we got them once in 2015 and never again.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLs3uCcmV1tUgEhePXb...

The "NFL Films-type" highlight recaps should be done for every game ... especially for the revenue sports like men's hoops and football (and probably even women's hoops). Sorry, I'm not being disrespectful to the non-revenue sports and I'm not saying they should be ignored. But everyone knows where the money is spent and where the majority of the marketing should be focused on. The cameras are there....but we rarely get to see the footage except for Russ/Rob's short recaps (which are great and should continue)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9c3OIjKY98&list=PL0EE2D6...

We get a random Kenny Kaminski player profile (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c40Uz3wCgJs&index=8&list=... ) .... and then absolutely none for the rest of the mens' team. And the women's team has randomly three of them.

Just go to this page and look at all over the place these videos are.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0EE2D6DC95D2190C

The fact they don't produce wrap-up videos for a loss is laughable. It's almost as if they don't talk about it, it didn't happen. Silly.

If you don't watch this video and get chills ... you aren't a Bobcat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikmS1rufXc0&index=83&list...

But these types of videos are so few and far between. It's almost like they do them if they feel like it .... but if they don't, no big worry.

Should be an expectation for the job to turn quality content like this out on a regular, reliable basis. So hit and miss.

The opportunity is there to make a lot of these sports "cool" ... which only helps marketing, recruiting, etc. But when it's done randomly it really doesn't help.
All the answers, just missing the questions and experiences. But keep solving the problems in a couple of simplified post. The department is working hard, its under funded in its support staff and these people give there best. Maybe someday, they will be fortunate enough to land BJ44 and win some emmys.
I'm just confused why I'm the enemy here?

All I'm asking is that the full-time, paid university employees do a more consistent job with the solid content they already produce?

I'm puzzled why I'm public enemy #1 on this issue? Because I'm confused by the inconsistent nature of the product that is being produced by that role?

I've praised them for their skill .... I just don't understand why it's so wildly inconsistent?

Guess that makes me a d**khead. Oh well.
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8/25/2017 10:23 AM
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:expand_more
While some might be calling for student participation, I'm asking the full-time, paid university jobs to provide a more consistent product... mainly Bobcat TV
I'll say it again, go out and endow the position and you will get your wish. In this time of budget cutting, I don't think that is going to happen anytime soon.

I'm actually not disagreeing you at all. Just trying to figure out where bshot44 is getting his strawman from.
Strawman? You referring to a poll?

I'm not taking a poll. This is one man's opinion ... mine.

Not sure what you're getting at?
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Cats2014
8/27/2017 10:02 AM
So much for the excuse that students will be back and the reporting will be updated quickly. LOL. Not only is there zero news on anyone or anything, the roster isn't even updated yet. No more excuses. I can only hope that this team will be much better than it's reporting. To be clear, I am not talking about Arkley (great reporter) or Eisenstein's crew (awesome). I am talking about the student body. No one in the entire school of journalism or sports administration is inclined to make a name for him or herself? It's laying right there on a platter. Right there. Go grab it and be great. Nope, there is obviously no one in our little Bobcat world willing to be great. Whatever.

GO CATS !!! WIN THE MAC !!! WIN A BOWL GAME !!!
Last Edited: 8/27/2017 10:04:40 AM by Cats2014
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cc-cat
8/27/2017 10:32 AM
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Ha! If the pay was good and Athens was suddenly 20 mins from where I live I'd consider it :-)
Frickin millennial. Always complaining when it's not oh so perfect. :-)
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