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Posted: 9/17/2017 7:51 PM
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Death, taxes and BobcatAttack posters finding something to complain about.

Beat a P5 team and what is the response on this site: The band sucked. Offering a family of two adults and two kids 4 SEASON tickets for $130 is overpriced.

My experience on Saturday:
Game changed from 7:00 PM start to 12:00 PM start. Despite inconvenience, I drove down anyway. Tailgated outside of the Convo. Entered stadium about 20 minutes before kickoff and I bought a pregame beer at the Jackie O’s tent. At the half, I walked down after a 110 song to get a 2nd beer but the tent only takes cash and I am a millennial so I just had a card. Went to the actual concession stand but the first stand I went to was sold out of beer. Was I annoyed? Yeah. What moron underestimates beer consumption at Ohio University? Thankfully, I recalled what I learned freshman year of college: when you’re on Mill Street and the keg goes dry, you walk to the next house. While I wasn’t on Mill Street, I figured my best bet was to walk to another concession stand. The next concession had beer. I bought one then I walked back to my seat. Ohio won.

Go Bobcats!
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Beat a P5 team
Isn't that the same as beating another D 1 team? Big deal. If it is a big deal then why are we even playing D 1 ball. The very fact that we should get excited about it indicates our second class status. Can we drop the labels - P5, G5, mid major? It's kind of like the millions of Americans who were duped in the last election.
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We beat a team that's a "P" in name only. They're on the same level as Rutgers or BC -- mid to lower MAC. I mean, when was the last time a "P" team was a 7.5 point underdog to Ohio or any MAC team for that matter? They might be better in a year or two, but for now, nah.
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When I was kid growing up in Athens, there were youth tickets available for both football and basketball games. Most of the kids in school with me never bought a ticket until game day, when we walked up to the ticket window and purchased a youth ticket. I don't remember the exact price, but it was about a third of the price of an adult general admission ticket. I don't think they called them "youth tickets," but something like "high school tickets." There was also a special section in the OHIO baseball stadium (Porter Hall is now in that location) where grade school kids could buy a season pass for something like $5.00. It had a place on it to punch out for each game. The section was under the main stands with a screen in front. It was called the Knot Hole section. I think they called us all members of the "Knot Hole Club." I think it would be good for OHIO to go after this youth audience in Athens again. It was just things like this that made many of us life-long OHIO fans.
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Beat a P5 team

Isn't that the same as beating another D 1 team? Big deal. If it is a big deal then why are we even playing D 1 ball. The very fact that we should get excited about it indicates our second class status. Can we drop the labels - P5, G5, mid major? It's kind of like the millions of Americans who were duped in the last election.

You can drop any labels you feel like dropping. While you're at it, you just as well drop the FCS label as well. After all, Hamption is also Division 1. Therefore, per your logic, there is not really any difference between beating Kansas, Penn State, or Hampton. Of course, some might think you're the one duping yourself.
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Beat a P5 team

Isn't that the same as beating another D 1 team? Big deal. If it is a big deal then why are we even playing D 1 ball. The very fact that we should get excited about it indicates our second class status. Can we drop the labels - P5, G5, mid major? It's kind of like the millions of Americans who were duped in the last election.

You can drop any labels you feel like dropping. While you're at it, you just as well drop the FCS label as well. After all, Hamption is also Division 1. Therefore, per your logic, there is not really any difference between beating Kansas, Penn State, or Hampton. Of course, some might think you're the one duping yourself.
Up until a few years ago, there was D 1 and D 1 AA. Schools like JMU, Eastern Kentucky, Marshall and Youngstown State actually played in a tournament for a national championship just like Mount Union does today in D 3. At the beginning of the year, every team in those divisions were and are actually included in the process that leads to a national championship. If you think we or any other MAC school starts the season with that same chance, then I really don't know what to say.
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Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Beat a P5 team

Isn't that the same as beating another D 1 team? Big deal. If it is a big deal then why are we even playing D 1 ball. The very fact that we should get excited about it indicates our second class status. Can we drop the labels - P5, G5, mid major? It's kind of like the millions of Americans who were duped in the last election.

You can drop any labels you feel like dropping. While you're at it, you just as well drop the FCS label as well. After all, Hamption is also Division 1. Therefore, per your logic, there is not really any difference between beating Kansas, Penn State, or Hampton. Of course, some might think you're the one duping yourself.
Up until a few years ago, there was D 1 and D 1 AA. Schools like JMU, Eastern Kentucky, Marshall and Youngstown State actually played in a tournament for a national championship just like Mount Union does today in D 3. At the beginning of the year, every team in those divisions were and are actually included in the process that leads to a national championship. If you think we or any other MAC school starts the season with that same chance, then I really don't know what to say.
So... uh... you disagree with yourself?
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I thought the show was great, as always.
There are a lot of grouchy old townies here that rip anything they can.
They buy tickets and go to games and support the programs but they don't ever miss an opportunity to take a shot at the present athletic department leadership.
If it makes you happy - this local will comment on one more thing. I honestly believe that the $40 and $45 ticket price yesterday had an effect on the crowd size. Parents weekend, military day and we only get 22K. While I was talking with a friend near the ticket office right before the game, a man and woman and their two elementary age boys walked up to the ticket window (no line by the way) and stared at the prices in disbelief. $160 for the four of them. Two townie women each gave them one ticket. We really could use a youth priced ticket. Toledo for one has them.
I was at the sales office at kickoff. GA tickets for $45 dollars and home section was $55 dollars. Bengals vs. Buffalo on 10/8 start at $67 for the 100 level seats and 200 level starts at $50 dollars. With the seating in Peden all close to the field its still a deal compared to a pro game. With the beer and sound system its piping in the pro experience.
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Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Beat a P5 team

Isn't that the same as beating another D 1 team? Big deal. If it is a big deal then why are we even playing D 1 ball. The very fact that we should get excited about it indicates our second class status. Can we drop the labels - P5, G5, mid major? It's kind of like the millions of Americans who were duped in the last election.

You can drop any labels you feel like dropping. While you're at it, you just as well drop the FCS label as well. After all, Hamption is also Division 1. Therefore, per your logic, there is not really any difference between beating Kansas, Penn State, or Hampton. Of course, some might think you're the one duping yourself.
Up until a few years ago, there was D 1 and D 1 AA. Schools like JMU, Eastern Kentucky, Marshall and Youngstown State actually played in a tournament for a national championship just like Mount Union does today in D 3. At the beginning of the year, every team in those divisions were and are actually included in the process that leads to a national championship. If you think we or any other MAC school starts the season with that same chance, then I really don't know what to say.
If you don't know there is a difference in the caliber of athletes recruited between P5, G5, and FCS schools,then I really don't know what to say...
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Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Up until a few years ago, there was D 1 and D 1 AA. Schools like JMU, Eastern Kentucky, Marshall and Youngstown State actually played in a tournament for a national championship just like Mount Union does today in D 3.
Ummm. I'm confused. They still do play a "tournament" to crown a national champion. It's called FCS playoffs. Only thing that changed was the name.
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I don't understand the few posters who constantly complain about everything. The Bobcats beat Kansas and they were favored by more than a TD. Thirty years ago that wouldn't have happened. Would these posters rather return to the days where they were losing nine or 10 games a season? Do these same people gripe about the basketball team beating Alcorn, Urbana and other SWAC teams? Probably so. I am pretty certain that the players, coaches and fans realize that Ohio will not be playing for a national championship in football. Enjoy the team and the games for what is is. This program is so much better under Frank than what it was 30 years ago. Go Cats and find a way to grab win #3 next week!
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Up until a few years ago, there was D 1 and D 1 AA. Schools like JMU, Eastern Kentucky, Marshall and Youngstown State actually played in a tournament for a national championship just like Mount Union does today in D 3.
Ummm. I'm confused. They still do play a "tournament" to crown a national champion. It's called FCS playoffs. Only thing that changed was the name.
Amazing how two extra letters - ed - completely change the meaning of a sentence. I meant that those teams play for a national championship. My typo.
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This thread was originally about the Marching 110.

It seems to me they have been moving away from their "hard-driving" style the past few years. Their approach is very formulaic today - wait until the last song and you'll get your standard dance number. IMO they're losing their differentiation, which is a shame.
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This thread was originally about the Marching 110.

It seems to me they have been moving away from their "hard-driving" style the past few years. Their approach is very formulaic today - wait until the last song and you'll get your standard dance number. IMO they're losing their differentiation, which is a shame.
I think we should avoid putting labels on the band.
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The Optimist wrote:expand_more
This thread was originally about the Marching 110.

It seems to me they have been moving away from their "hard-driving" style the past few years. Their approach is very formulaic today - wait until the last song and you'll get your standard dance number. IMO they're losing their differentiation, which is a shame.
I think we should avoid putting labels on the band.
Hard driving is a very apt description of their style in past years. I remember their field exit routine was a high stepping march toward the sideline and literally "marching" over the benches to be bunched up against the stands. The drum cadence was pounding and the fans were clapping right along. Lots of energy. In all fairness, they used to be the show all game long but now have to share it with video and on field promotions. Often the script doesn't follow the game action (read the man in the red timeout jersey) Spontaneous call and response is tough to execute when you have 50 - 75 promo announcements to fit into a game. Wes mentioned it's more like a pro game today. I for one am interested in attending a college game not a pro spectacle. Beer and an out of phase sound system with an unbalanced high end aren't prerequisites for a good time on a Saturday afternoon in Peden Stadium.
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SBH wrote:expand_more
This thread was originally about the Marching 110.

It seems to me they have been moving away from their "hard-driving" style the past few years. Their approach is very formulaic today - wait until the last song and you'll get your standard dance number. IMO they're losing their differentiation, which is a shame.
As I posted earlier,the recent musical selections by the 110,especially last Saturday,don't lend themselves to a "hard driving" style.

I agree that some of their shows are kind of "formula",with standard,albeit very "clean", drill and a dance number at the end.

There are also just so many dance moves out there for a band to do.

Even being "formula", I prefer their style to bands like OSU that now rely on "props" and "gimmicks" kind of like high schools in Bands of America.
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MAKE THE 110 GREAT AGAIN
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In my opinion, the halftime show against Hampton was OK. The show this past Saturday was a bit boring. The song-selection against Kansas included much slower songs, not much in the way of rock songs. Well played, but not very exciting.

Also, can I say that the halftime dance routines are starting to get a little stale and predictable? The dance takes place during the last song they play, it consists of the members pairing up, or grouping into fours. They dance individually a little bit, have three members hold up one member somehow, and that's about it. I'd say that's generally the way it goes.

Could the 110 do more with formation marching to create neat shapes during their whole performance, the way some other college bands have started doing? I don't know enough about it to suggest. But the show did seem a little bland to me this past Saturday.
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When I was kid growing up in Athens, there were youth tickets available for both football and basketball games. Most of the kids in school with me never bought a ticket until game day, when we walked up to the ticket window and purchased a youth ticket. I don't remember the exact price, but it was about a third of the price of an adult general admission ticket. I don't think they called them "youth tickets," but something like "high school tickets." There was also a special section in the OHIO baseball stadium (Porter Hall is now in that location) where grade school kids could buy a season pass for something like $5.00. It had a place on it to punch out for each game. The section was under the main stands with a screen in front. It was called the Knot Hole section. I think they called us all members of the "Knot Hole Club." I think it would be good for OHIO to go after this youth audience in Athens again. It was just things like this that made many of us life-long OHIO fans.
When you were a kid the price of a Super Bowl Ticket (oh, wait, they did not have a Super Bowl yet). A Cincinnati Reds game was $.75.
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Nothing to do with the 110 and not a complaint (some posters have had their fill of complaints on BA.com), but I got a kick out of a contest during the game where fans could select one of three songs by texting a certain promo code. Not much of a selection, according to this old-school music fan, but probably of interest for the younger fans in Peden. When they finally announced the winner, some song by a guy named Justin Beaver(?), they played maybe 8-10 seconds of the fans' top pick. Just as some of the younger fans around me were getting into the song, it got cut off.
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I have to say that the lead-in to the National Anthem after the alma mater is impressive and I enjoy that very much. I didn't stick around for the halftime show, because I was waiting in the Hillside beer line only to be told they were out of Mystic Mama.

That hurts.
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In my opinion, the halftime show against Hampton was OK. The show this past Saturday was a bit boring. The song-selection against Kansas included much slower songs, not much in the way of rock songs. Well played, but not very exciting.

Also, can I say that the halftime dance routines are starting to get a little stale and predictable? The dance takes place during the last song they play, it consists of the members pairing up, or grouping into fours. They dance individually a little bit, have three members hold up one member somehow, and that's about it. I'd say that's generally the way it goes.

Could the 110 do more with formation marching to create neat shapes during their whole performance, the way some other college bands have started doing? I don't know enough about it to suggest. But the show did seem a little bland to me this past Saturday.
With the software that's available today,you can put together a drill for pretty much any "shape" you want.

For example,when the 110 plays a pro game they usually do a formation for that team.

Thing is,a show with a lot of different "shapes" can also get "stale".
Instead of what dance,its what picture or "stick figure".

In fact,if you look at bands that do this type of show,OSU comes to mind,a lot of the shapes are quite similar.They just use "tarps" or posters to convey their specific visual image.

The 110 made their reputation with rock.

Lately,they seem to veering more towards "pop",which as was apparent last Saturday,doesn't translate well to their style.

I would also think they could really do some cool stuff with jazz.

There's also a lot of "show" music available.
But licensing could be an issue.

I know the 110 has has a number of members that marched in Drum Corps.
Some recent shows would also fit the 110's style.
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I thought the show was great, as always.
There are a lot of grouchy old townies here that rip anything they can.
They buy tickets and go to games and support the programs but they don't ever miss an opportunity to take a shot at the present athletic department leadership.
If it makes you happy - this local will comment on one more thing. I honestly believe that the $40 and $45 ticket price yesterday had an effect on the crowd size. Parents weekend, military day and we only get 22K. While I was talking with a friend near the ticket office right before the game, a man and woman and their two elementary age boys walked up to the ticket window (no line by the way) and stared at the prices in disbelief. $160 for the four of them. Two townie women each gave them one ticket. We really could use a youth priced ticket. Toledo for one has them.
I was at the sales office at kickoff. GA tickets for $45 dollars and home section was $55 dollars. Bengals vs. Buffalo on 10/8 start at $67 for the 100 level seats and 200 level starts at $50 dollars. With the seating in Peden all close to the field its still a deal compared to a pro game. With the beer and sound system its piping in the pro experience.
So you could actually spend MORE on a ticket to Peden than to an NFL game? I never thought that would be possible.
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Death, taxes and BobcatAttack posters finding something to complain about.

Beat a P5 team and what is the response on this site: The band sucked. Offering a family of two adults and two kids 4 SEASON tickets for $130 is overpriced.

My experience on Saturday:
Game changed from 7:00 PM start to 12:00 PM start. Despite inconvenience, I drove down anyway. Tailgated outside of the Convo. Entered stadium about 20 minutes before kickoff and I bought a pregame beer at the Jackie O’s tent. At the half, I walked down after a 110 song to get a 2nd beer but the tent only takes cash and I am a millennial so I just had a card. Went to the actual concession stand but the first stand I went to was sold out of beer. Was I annoyed? Yeah. What moron underestimates beer consumption at Ohio University? Thankfully, I recalled what I learned freshman year of college: when you’re on Mill Street and the keg goes dry, you walk to the next house. While I wasn’t on Mill Street, I figured my best bet was to walk to another concession stand. The next concession had beer. I bought one then I walked back to my seat. Ohio won.

Go Bobcats!
Now let's be fair here. No one on this thread said the band sucked. Several people have commented it was not their best show. Nobody here said the family pack of season tickets is overpriced, did they?

When you have some of the diehardiest fans here on this site commenting about the gameday experience at Peden (apathetic fans in the stands, band shows that are below normal standards, cheerleaders who can't do pushups, concessions that people concede are bad and high single game ticket prices) becoming an issue, perhaps it is time to look into it further. Otherwise, it doesn't matter who you schedule or what your record is, less people will want to come to Peden.
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When you have some of the diehardiest fans here on this site commenting about the gameday experience at Peden (apathetic fans in the stands, band shows that are below normal standards, cheerleaders who can't do pushups, concessions that people concede are bad and high single game ticket prices) becoming an issue, perhaps it is time to look into it further. Otherwise, it doesn't matter who you schedule or what your record is, less people will want to come to Peden.
Maybe the diehardiest fans just love to bitch. More than one of the serial offenders complain about both sides of competing issues:

- People are too apathetic AND people shouldn't stand and get in my way
- Ticket prices are way too high AND student fees are unfair
- We never get P5 teams in Peden AND I hate the P5 teams we get in Peden
- Not enough students show up AND I hate how long students stay and how they act while they're in the stands

Lately it feels like half the posts or more revolve around complaining. Maybe that's the nature of message boards, but it wasn't always the nature of this message board.
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