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Mike Johnson
12/17/2017 5:01 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Because Thomas Boeh said so - same with the PAW. Ironically I just picked up a couple round lapel pins from the alumni association that say "Ohio University Alumni" with a paw in the middle.
If you wear such a pin, not only will you be telling the world that you love generic logos, but you will be perpetuating a misunderstanding of Latin grammar. "Alumni" is masculine plural. Those pins in your case should say "Alumnus." For women, they should say "Alumna." A few years ago I was in a bookstore on an Ivy League campus and they had pins and bumper stickers that said both "alumnus" and "alumna." But, I guess in the Ivy League you're expected to know the basic 9th grade Latin grammar. Also, I've seen women's colleges that when they mean a single graduate use "alumna" and when they mean a group of graduates use "alumnae" (feminine plural).

My wife has a pin that says "Ohio University Emerita." Mine says "Ohio University Emeritus." So, at least some parts of the university get it right!
Whew! What a relief! :-)
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Alan Swank
12/17/2017 5:41 PM
Mike Johnson wrote:expand_more
Because Thomas Boeh said so - same with the PAW. Ironically I just picked up a couple round lapel pins from the alumni association that say "Ohio University Alumni" with a paw in the middle.
If you wear such a pin, not only will you be telling the world that you love generic logos, but you will be perpetuating a misunderstanding of Latin grammar. "Alumni" is masculine plural. Those pins in your case should say "Alumnus." For women, they should say "Alumna." A few years ago I was in a bookstore on an Ivy League campus and they had pins and bumper stickers that said both "alumnus" and "alumna." But, I guess in the Ivy League you're expected to know the basic 9th grade Latin grammar. Also, I've seen women's colleges that when they mean a single graduate use "alumna" and when they mean a group of graduates use "alumnae" (feminine plural).

My wife has a pin that says "Ohio University Emerita." Mine says "Ohio University Emeritus." So, at least some parts of the university get it right!
Whew! What a relief! :-)
He is correct but in this day and age, who cares about tradition and correct style. :)
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Robert Fox
12/17/2017 7:27 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
He is correct but in this day and age, who cares about tradition and correct style. :)
Tradition? Only enough to tear it down.
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RPO R6V
12/17/2017 8:33 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Because Thomas Boeh said so - same with the PAW. Ironically I just picked up a couple round lapel pins from the alumni association that say "Ohio University Alumni" with a paw in the middle.
If you wear such a pin, not only will you be telling the world that you love generic logos, but you will be perpetuating a misunderstanding of Latin grammar. "Alumni" is masculine plural. Those pins in your case should say "Alumnus." For women, they should say "Alumna." A few years ago I was in a bookstore on an Ivy League campus and they had pins and bumper stickers that said both "alumnus" and "alumna." But, I guess in the Ivy League you're expected to know the basic 9th grade Latin grammar. Also, I've seen women's colleges that when they mean a single graduate use "alumna" and when they mean a group of graduates use "alumnae" (feminine plural).

My wife has a pin that says "Ohio University Emerita." Mine says "Ohio University Emeritus." So, at least some parts of the university get it right!
I think the pin in question is supposed to show the world you belong to a group, not proclaim your status as an individual. In that case, shouldn't the pin use "alumni?"

"Use alumnus (alumni in the plural) when referring to a man who has attended a school. Use alumna (alumnae in the plural) for similar references to a woman. Use alumni when referring to a group of men and women. *Style Tip taken from the AP Stylebook Online entry for alumnus, alumni alumna, alumnae."
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RPO R6V
12/17/2017 8:38 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
The author, Bill Bender is a graduate of Ohio University and family friend of the Grobe family. Bill is a great guy.
I believe Bender wrote for The Post during my time in Athens.

With brevity seemingly the name of the game, Old Elton sure can always still squeeze in "University" after our name. Because everyone who reads the PD and sees "Ohio beats Toledo in Football" is going to get confused that Ohio State played Toledo on a Wednesday night. It's not technically wrong, but he's anything but consistent with using the full name. "Ohio University beats Kent State in basketball." "Ohio University tops Akron"

In case anyone is wondering the answer is yes-I always gripe against this subject when the opportunity presents its self on here. And yes, I know a lot of people are not bothered by it.
1+ When referring to Ohio Athletics, the media is to use "Ohio" or "OU" But not Ohio U. or Ohio University. That is printed in our media guide.
Yeah, not sure where you get that, the use of OU as acceptable has been out the window for quite sometime.
I care way too much about this. Even the "OU, Oh yeah!" thing bothers me, though I know I should just be glad some people are showing some enthusiasm.
Can someone explain why OU is not acceptable?
Because Thomas Boeh said so - same with the PAW. Ironically I just picked up a couple round lapel pins from the alumni association that say "Ohio University Alumni" with a paw in the middle.
The way we don't stay consistent with our own branding drives me crazy. At the last two Bobcat Bashes I attended, guests were given a name tag attached to a lanyard that featured the current arched "OHIO" (without the cat) alternating with the paw logo (angled the wrong way, if I remember correctly).
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OUPride
12/18/2017 10:08 AM
Sam bobcat wrote:expand_more
The author, Bill Bender is a graduate of Ohio University and family friend of the Grobe family. Bill is a great guy.
I believe Bender wrote for The Post during my time in Athens.

With brevity seemingly the name of the game, Old Elton sure can always still squeeze in "University" after our name. Because everyone who reads the PD and sees "Ohio beats Toledo in Football" is going to get confused that Ohio State played Toledo on a Wednesday night. It's not technically wrong, but he's anything but consistent with using the full name. "Ohio University beats Kent State in basketball." "Ohio University tops Akron"

In case anyone is wondering the answer is yes-I always gripe against this subject when the opportunity presents its self on here. And yes, I know a lot of people are not bothered by it.
1+ When referring to Ohio Athletics, the media is to use "Ohio" or "OU" But not Ohio U. or Ohio University. That is printed in our media guide.
Yeah, not sure where you get that, the use of OU as acceptable has been out the window for quite sometime.
I care way too much about this. Even the "OU, Oh yeah!" thing bothers me, though I know I should just be glad some people are showing some enthusiasm.
Can someone explain why OU is not acceptable?
Insecurity and the naive belief that using "Ohio" will somehow make the university more prestigious.

I know I'm in the minority and also of a generation when Ohio was commonly referred to as OU with no sense of shame, but I still find the whole controversy over it to be ridiculous. Do Ohio State alums get upset at using OSU? Michigan alums get upset at U of M? Texas alums get upset at UT? Hell, Washington alums commonly refer to their school as U-Dub. The name of "Ohio" is "Ohio University" and there's nothing wrong with shortening that to an acronym of "OU." Crying about people using "OU" screams little brother far, far more than its actual usage.
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OhioStunter
12/18/2017 1:14 PM
OUPride wrote:expand_more
The author, Bill Bender is a graduate of Ohio University and family friend of the Grobe family. Bill is a great guy.
I believe Bender wrote for The Post during my time in Athens.

With brevity seemingly the name of the game, Old Elton sure can always still squeeze in "University" after our name. Because everyone who reads the PD and sees "Ohio beats Toledo in Football" is going to get confused that Ohio State played Toledo on a Wednesday night. It's not technically wrong, but he's anything but consistent with using the full name. "Ohio University beats Kent State in basketball." "Ohio University tops Akron"

In case anyone is wondering the answer is yes-I always gripe against this subject when the opportunity presents its self on here. And yes, I know a lot of people are not bothered by it.
1+ When referring to Ohio Athletics, the media is to use "Ohio" or "OU" But not Ohio U. or Ohio University. That is printed in our media guide.
Yeah, not sure where you get that, the use of OU as acceptable has been out the window for quite sometime.
I care way too much about this. Even the "OU, Oh yeah!" thing bothers me, though I know I should just be glad some people are showing some enthusiasm.
Can someone explain why OU is not acceptable?
Insecurity and the naive belief that using "Ohio" will somehow make the university more prestigious.

I know I'm in the minority and also of a generation when Ohio was commonly referred to as OU with no sense of shame, but I still find the whole controversy over it to be ridiculous. Do Ohio State alums get upset at using OSU? Michigan alums get upset at U of M? Texas alums get upset at UT? Hell, Washington alums commonly refer to their school as U-Dub. The name of "Ohio" is "Ohio University" and there's nothing wrong with shortening that to an acronym of "OU." Crying about people using "OU" screams little brother far, far more than its actual usage.
This specific post is about the Ohio Athletics request in the media guide to refer to the school as Ohio in the context of sports articles. U-Dub and UT are not commonly used in articles. It is a matter of consistency as well. Why should "University" be used in reference to Ohio in articles, when it is not used for the other schools?

Preferred: Ohio Beats Michigan
Frowned Upon: Ohio University Beats Michigan, Ohio U. Beats Michigan, OU Beats Michigan
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Deciduous Forest Cat
12/18/2017 1:15 PM
OUPride wrote:expand_more
The author, Bill Bender is a graduate of Ohio University and family friend of the Grobe family. Bill is a great guy.
I believe Bender wrote for The Post during my time in Athens.

With brevity seemingly the name of the game, Old Elton sure can always still squeeze in "University" after our name. Because everyone who reads the PD and sees "Ohio beats Toledo in Football" is going to get confused that Ohio State played Toledo on a Wednesday night. It's not technically wrong, but he's anything but consistent with using the full name. "Ohio University beats Kent State in basketball." "Ohio University tops Akron"

In case anyone is wondering the answer is yes-I always gripe against this subject when the opportunity presents its self on here. And yes, I know a lot of people are not bothered by it.
1+ When referring to Ohio Athletics, the media is to use "Ohio" or "OU" But not Ohio U. or Ohio University. That is printed in our media guide.
Yeah, not sure where you get that, the use of OU as acceptable has been out the window for quite sometime.
I care way too much about this. Even the "OU, Oh yeah!" thing bothers me, though I know I should just be glad some people are showing some enthusiasm.
Can someone explain why OU is not acceptable?
Insecurity and the naive belief that using "Ohio" will somehow make the university more prestigious.

I know I'm in the minority and also of a generation when Ohio was commonly referred to as OU with no sense of shame, but I still find the whole controversy over it to be ridiculous. Do Ohio State alums get upset at using OSU? Michigan alums get upset at U of M? Texas alums get upset at UT? Hell, Washington alums commonly refer to their school as U-Dub. The name of "Ohio" is "Ohio University" and there's nothing wrong with shortening that to an acronym of "OU." Crying about people using "OU" screams little brother far, far more than its actual usage.
That means you're completely missing the point. no one is forbidding you from using it in conversation. OU is a local identity for sure. But Oklahoma has a national trademark for OU. It could also mean Oakland. OHIO is our brand. We own it, no matter what osu does or says. It's a unique brand that only our school possesses.

as for your question about osu, sure everyone in this area knows what that means, but nationwide, osu could mean Oregon State or Oklahoma State. I know that ohio state wants to own everything and around here it seems like they do sometimes, but if we don't stand up for our identity (and currently we are not!) then who will? Not to sound like allen, but for god's sake stand up for yourselves! stop thinking minor league!

so... there I go again
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RPO R6V
12/18/2017 1:26 PM
OUPride wrote:expand_more
The author, Bill Bender is a graduate of Ohio University and family friend of the Grobe family. Bill is a great guy.
I believe Bender wrote for The Post during my time in Athens.

With brevity seemingly the name of the game, Old Elton sure can always still squeeze in "University" after our name. Because everyone who reads the PD and sees "Ohio beats Toledo in Football" is going to get confused that Ohio State played Toledo on a Wednesday night. It's not technically wrong, but he's anything but consistent with using the full name. "Ohio University beats Kent State in basketball." "Ohio University tops Akron"

In case anyone is wondering the answer is yes-I always gripe against this subject when the opportunity presents its self on here. And yes, I know a lot of people are not bothered by it.
1+ When referring to Ohio Athletics, the media is to use "Ohio" or "OU" But not Ohio U. or Ohio University. That is printed in our media guide.
Yeah, not sure where you get that, the use of OU as acceptable has been out the window for quite sometime.
I care way too much about this. Even the "OU, Oh yeah!" thing bothers me, though I know I should just be glad some people are showing some enthusiasm.
Can someone explain why OU is not acceptable?
Insecurity and the naive belief that using "Ohio" will somehow make the university more prestigious.

I know I'm in the minority and also of a generation when Ohio was commonly referred to as OU with no sense of shame, but I still find the whole controversy over it to be ridiculous. Do Ohio State alums get upset at using OSU? Michigan alums get upset at U of M? Texas alums get upset at UT? Hell, Washington alums commonly refer to their school as U-Dub. The name of "Ohio" is "Ohio University" and there's nothing wrong with shortening that to an acronym of "OU." Crying about people using "OU" screams little brother far, far more than its actual usage.
The media guide only applies to athletics. There are still plenty of licensed t-shirts you can buy with that crappy "OU" logo we stole from Oklahoma.
Last Edited: 12/18/2017 1:27:41 PM by RPO R6V
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Mark Lembright '85
12/18/2017 3:52 PM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
The author, Bill Bender is a graduate of Ohio University and family friend of the Grobe family. Bill is a great guy.
I believe Bender wrote for The Post during my time in Athens.

With brevity seemingly the name of the game, Old Elton sure can always still squeeze in "University" after our name. Because everyone who reads the PD and sees "Ohio beats Toledo in Football" is going to get confused that Ohio State played Toledo on a Wednesday night. It's not technically wrong, but he's anything but consistent with using the full name. "Ohio University beats Kent State in basketball." "Ohio University tops Akron"

In case anyone is wondering the answer is yes-I always gripe against this subject when the opportunity presents its self on here. And yes, I know a lot of people are not bothered by it.
1+ When referring to Ohio Athletics, the media is to use "Ohio" or "OU" But not Ohio U. or Ohio University. That is printed in our media guide.
Yeah, not sure where you get that, the use of OU as acceptable has been out the window for quite sometime.
I care way too much about this. Even the "OU, Oh yeah!" thing bothers me, though I know I should just be glad some people are showing some enthusiasm.
Can someone explain why OU is not acceptable?
Insecurity and the naive belief that using "Ohio" will somehow make the university more prestigious.

I know I'm in the minority and also of a generation when Ohio was commonly referred to as OU with no sense of shame, but I still find the whole controversy over it to be ridiculous. Do Ohio State alums get upset at using OSU? Michigan alums get upset at U of M? Texas alums get upset at UT? Hell, Washington alums commonly refer to their school as U-Dub. The name of "Ohio" is "Ohio University" and there's nothing wrong with shortening that to an acronym of "OU." Crying about people using "OU" screams little brother far, far more than its actual usage.
That means you're completely missing the point. no one is forbidding you from using it in conversation. OU is a local identity for sure. But Oklahoma has a national trademark for OU. It could also mean Oakland. OHIO is our brand. We own it, no matter what osu does or says. It's a unique brand that only our school possesses.

as for your question about osu, sure everyone in this area knows what that means, but nationwide, osu could mean Oregon State or Oklahoma State. I know that ohio state wants to own everything and around here it seems like they do sometimes, but if we don't stand up for our identity (and currently we are not!) then who will? Not to sound like allen, but for god's sake stand up for yourselves! stop thinking minor league!

so... there I go again
Personally I'd love to see the College Bookstore go back to selling those "We Are Ohio/You Are State" t-shirts they had a few years ago (should've bought some when I had the chance....). LOVE THE SLOGAN!!
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