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FearLeon
3/25/2018 12:23 PM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
Pretty ridiculous reaction. He really comes off clueless. You get paid all that money and you can't coach your kids to the finish line. And if he truly didn't know score and time...oh my.
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Buckeye to Bobcat
3/25/2018 12:52 PM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
All I know is they have a very favorable matchup with Michigan in the Final Four. The X factor will be if Wagner gets going in this game. I get it, the last few games Wagner has been hit or miss, but the thing is against a team like Loyola, they get to the bucket very easy in comparison to other teams.
I disagree....Florida State was the better matchup. Seminoles are way less disciplined then UM and coaching is a huge factor here. Leonard Hamilton is nowhere near John Belein. The last 11 seconds of that game really proved it. What the hell was he thinking down 4 with 11 seconds left and not fouling?? Idiotic to say the game is over at that point. Belein now has 7 days to prepare for Loyola? Give me Michigan in this one all the way. Although I'll be rooting for #SisterJean
Will agree that X's and O's will be a nightmare for Loyola. Beilein does way more with perceived less athletic players.

That said, the way the referees traditionally call tournament games, it would not favor Loyola to see a team like Florida State that can hit the glass and get in someone's grill like FSU does. That was the one part of that potential matchup I thought could have spelled trouble for Michigan and for Loyola in the Final Four.
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bobcatsquared
3/25/2018 1:10 PM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
Leonard Hamilton is nowhere near John Belein. The last 11 seconds of that game really proved it. What the hell was he thinking down 4 with 11 seconds left and not fouling??
Worse than that decision, I thought, was fouling with 66 seconds left and down 3 and then again fouling with 40 seconds left with the same score, 55-52.

Play good defense and you're going to get another possession, maybe two more.
Last Edited: 3/26/2018 5:35:37 PM by bobcatsquared
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cbus cat fan
3/25/2018 1:50 PM
Guys like Coach Leonard Hamilton amaze me. He's been coaching in Power Conferences for 30 years and last year was the first year he made it to the Elite 8. In the college football world and the NFL guys like Dave Wannstadt are in the same category. Coaches with lots of talent who seem to have connections to get jobs without much of a resume to show for it.

Coach Hamilton had teams with lots of talent that never got past the first round and he's been out coached before on many an occasion. Yet, he tries to get snippy with a female reporter who asked a very logical question? She could have asked a tougher question but she did not. I would have loved to have seen Charles Barkley's response to Coach Hamilton had he asked the same question. My guess is Leonard Hamilton would have either not been as snippy, or there might have been a physical altercation with Leonard Hamilton ending up on the ground wondering what just happened.

Odds are that with Michigan's talent they easily defeat Loyola Chicago. However, the odds were not in the Ramblers favor from the beginning and yet they find themselves in the Final 4. I am still hoping the Mid-Major Commissioners get together for a conference call concerning a strategy to confront the NCAA and the Tournament Selection Committee for their seeding process. However, I am not holding my breath. Once again thank you Loyola Chicago for making a statement for all mid majors!
Last Edited: 3/25/2018 1:58:20 PM by cbus cat fan
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bornacatfan
3/25/2018 9:37 PM
I am with ya on Hamilton's track record. He has done less with more than most coaches I know not named Keady. Always amazing to me how he has kept that job...except that it is a football school traditionally that just expects that basketball will be bad.
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GoCats105
3/26/2018 9:13 AM
Loyola has been outmanned athletically against every team they've played so far and it doesn't matter. They're just a better basketball team. They always make the extra pass and they rotate well defensively. Really good stuff to watch.
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100%Cat
3/26/2018 10:42 AM
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Loyola to the Final Four. No doubt on Loyola message board their fans are saying they got this far only because of "matchups". Has nothing to do with coaching...nothing it all. #NCAABannerBeingHung #ItsWhatPeopleRememberForever
This is Porter Moser's 7th season at Loyola and it's the first time he's gone to the NCAAs. You would have demanded his firing years ago with nonsensical hashtags.
This.
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OUcats82
3/26/2018 11:49 AM
100%Cat wrote:expand_more
Loyola to the Final Four. No doubt on Loyola message board their fans are saying they got this far only because of "matchups". Has nothing to do with coaching...nothing it all. #NCAABannerBeingHung #ItsWhatPeopleRememberForever
This is Porter Moser's 7th season at Loyola and it's the first time he's gone to the NCAAs. You would have demanded his firing years ago with nonsensical hashtags.
This.
Question is, will he be back next year? Gotta think that he has a lot of interested potential suitors with bigger bank accounts than Loyola. Lots of programs out there desperate to replicate what he has done this year with the Ramblers.
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OUVan
3/26/2018 12:30 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Loyola has been outmanned athletically against every team they've played so far and it doesn't matter. They're just a better basketball team. They always make the extra pass and they rotate well defensively. Really good stuff to watch.
100% agree. They are a pleasure to watch. Loved to hear Moser talk about "the hockey assist" in one of his interviews this weekend. I've said it for a long time, the pass that leads to the pass is usually the most important part of a possession. Their offense also can really tire out a defense which eventually removes the athletic advantage.
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bornacatfan
3/27/2018 10:30 AM
A friend that played Hoops and Softball for Loyola forwarded me this article. She is a fan of Hitch and says Sister has been around Loyola Athletics long before she played. For the record I think X has a sister that all the prospective athletes meet with....maybe Sister Rose....though I have never seen her at games or around the athletes....just remember Matt Howard and others talking about meeting with her on recruiting trips

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-loyol...
Last Edited: 3/27/2018 10:30:38 AM by bornacatfan
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OhioCatFan
3/28/2018 12:29 PM
Very nice and informative article, borna. Thanks for posting. Interesting that Hitch was the last person that George Ireland hired. He's kind of the connection from one era to the next. I liked the statement near the end that he was trying to live the Jesuit model -- "a person for others."
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bornacatfan
3/28/2018 2:18 PM
One of the greatest interviews I have ever heard. Jerry harkness.63 Loyola and former Pacer rambles on with a tremendous back story. Had a book coming out that I am sure I'll get as it will fill in some of the gaps in the stories my pops used to share. The more I hear the more I an amazed at how mucch my pops paid attentioand what he actually tried to teach us about the world. Wish he was here to share this with http://www.1070thefan.com/blogs/dan-dakich-show/dan-dakic...


Porter was a pretty good interview as well

http://www.1070thefan.com/blogs/dan-dakich-show/does-winn...
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OhioCatFan
3/28/2018 10:40 PM
Here's the only audio clip I could find of Red Rush calling a game. This is not his best, as he was so emotional (understandably) that you don't get a full sense of his style. But, here's Red Rush, a charter member of OCF's Broadcasters Hall of Fame, calling the very end of Loyola's national championship win in 1963 over the UC Bearcats:

http://www.ramblermania.net/audio/1963champs.mp3
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TWT
3/31/2018 8:45 PM
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Odds are that with Michigan's talent they easily defeat Loyola Chicago. However, the odds were not in the Ramblers favor from the beginning and yet they find themselves in the Final 4. I am still hoping the Mid-Major Commissioners get together for a conference call concerning a strategy to confront the NCAA and the Tournament Selection Committee for their seeding process. However, I am not holding my breath. Once again thank you Loyola Chicago for making a statement for all mid majors!
A lot of it is what was once a Sweet 16 run is becoming a Final 4 run in terms how far a well coached mid major program can go in the tourney. Technology for preparing for teams? Early departures to the NBA? There is 1 and done but a lot of talent is leaving very early. Since George Mason's Final Four in 2006 there has been 8 teams in a FF outside the power conferences.

George Mason 2006
Memphis 2008 (ok they had Derrick Rose but out of CUSA)
Butler 2010
Butler 2011
VCU 2011
Wichita St 2013
Gonzaga 2017
Loyola-Chigago 2018
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giacomo
4/1/2018 10:34 AM
I felt that game was Loyola's. They had so many close looks early they didn't convert or get to the line. Then, they only shoot 1-10 from three. Overall, Michigan made plays down the stretch. A shame we couldn't have a David vs Goliath final.
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brucecuth
4/2/2018 8:02 AM
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Back in the '60s when Loyola was a power and I was an OHIO student, during one season we had a home and home with the Ramblers. Fun memories.
I've been thinking lately, what with all the difficulty teams like Ohio are having putting together a strong non-conference schedule, why not play other teams not in the MAC but in the same boat home and home in the same season? We did that recently with Marshall and I always loved the ND-UCLA home-and-home series back in the 1970s/80s. Mike goes back a little further with the Ohio-Loyola example from the 1960s and I'm sure OCF could probably recite similar examples from the first half of that century.

Maybe there's a logical reason why it is not feasible today, but why not consider it?
It still happens (ETSU and NKU had a home-and-home this year). But I think as conferences got larger (and in ND's case they got into a conference) schools wanted a little more variance in their non-con schedule. Ohio could significantly boost its schedule strength with regional, non P5 opponents.

These are all doable Top 100 opponents (with this year's RPI) and you could bus:
Loyola Chicago (15)
St Bonaventure (28)
MTSU (30)
WKU (31) - already scheduled
Murray St. (52)
Marshall (76) - already scheduled
Belmont (82)
Illinois St. (84)
ETSU (94)
SIU (97)
Wright St. (98)
What? And give up all those games against terrible SWAC and MEAC teams?
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