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allen
8/28/2017 12:55 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
I was thinking you were a guy that was bored on a friday who was making up stuff because your dog was boycotting you because you ate his last doggy biscuit, but you are actually dead serious. It is not just your customer's son's cousin, now you have confirmation from ex-football players that are reading the basketball site at the same time validating your customer's son's cousin's story. The ex-players did not reach out to any of the doubters, they reached out to you. I will look for the Robert Smith like article to come out a few days. Just last week, we did not know what specialized studies was, now we have a scandal on our hands. Dayam FS. Why?
Who said anything about a scandal? He's just backing up his argument since you seem to think he doesn't have one.
If our head football coach was really pushing players into easier majors and holding playing time over their heads, I think that would be a scandal. If it were true, there would be some serious ramifications. You want to make an argument that could cost somebody a job and cost us credibility, back it up. I get it, you may be emotionally scarred from a previous argument, so your get Allen dopamine or adrenaline may be flowing, but think about what the poster is alledging and then do some due dilligence and cross reference it, look up previous players majors and think critically. Get me on another day.
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rpbobcat
8/28/2017 1:49 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
If our head football coach was really pushing players into easier majors and holding playing time over their heads, I think that would be a scandal.
I read the comments attributed to coaches Solich and Albin a little differently.

A friend of mine's son got a football scholarship to Stanford.

He wanted to go premed.

He was told by the coaches that there was no way he could commit the time required for football and major in pre-med.

I would like to think that the coaches may have been trying to tell the kid that most likely he wouldn't have the time to play D1 football and stay eligible in a major like pre-law,that was academically rigorous .
Last Edited: 8/28/2017 1:51:06 PM by rpbobcat
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GoCats105
8/28/2017 2:34 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
I was thinking you were a guy that was bored on a friday who was making up stuff because your dog was boycotting you because you ate his last doggy biscuit, but you are actually dead serious. It is not just your customer's son's cousin, now you have confirmation from ex-football players that are reading the basketball site at the same time validating your customer's son's cousin's story. The ex-players did not reach out to any of the doubters, they reached out to you. I will look for the Robert Smith like article to come out a few days. Just last week, we did not know what specialized studies was, now we have a scandal on our hands. Dayam FS. Why?
Who said anything about a scandal? He's just backing up his argument since you seem to think he doesn't have one.
If our head football coach was really pushing players into easier majors and holding playing time over their heads, I think that would be a scandal. If it were true, there would be some serious ramifications. You want to make an argument that could cost somebody a job and cost us credibility, back it up. I get it, you may be emotionally scarred from a previous argument, so your get Allen dopamine or adrenaline may be flowing, but think about what the poster is alledging and then do some due dilligence and cross reference it, look up previous players majors and think critically. Get me on another day.
See rpbobcat's response above. This is exactly what I was thinking. They probably encouraged it because that major would take up a lot of time and they didn't want to kill the poor kid. Did you see UCLA QB Josh Rosen's interview earlier this summer? It talked about this very thing.

Nobody is attacking you, chill out.
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allen
8/28/2017 5:29 PM
The students can take the minimum classes in the fall because they can load up in the summer. There is no need to curtail any kids major. The players only have two earn 6 credits in the fall quarter which is just two classes. We can't just fall for anything or look to support our social media friends. If our coaches are telling football players that they can't major in certain subjects than that is awful. FS has been in the game for a long time, I don't believe that he would be the one to tell recruits to change their major. http://www.ncaa.org/student-athletes/current/staying-trac...
Last Edited: 8/28/2017 5:31:52 PM by allen
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C Money
8/28/2017 7:22 PM
The Specialized Studies major always made me think of this:

https://youtu.be/Vt6Vx7vzTRU
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BillyTheCat
8/28/2017 7:49 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
If our head football coach was really pushing players into easier majors and holding playing time over their heads, I think that would be a scandal.
I read the comments attributed to coaches Solich and Albin a little differently.

A friend of mine's son got a football scholarship to Stanford.

He wanted to go premed.

He was told by the coaches that there was no way he could commit the time required for football and major in pre-med.

I would like to think that the coaches may have been trying to tell the kid that most likely he wouldn't have the time to play D1 football and stay eligible in a major like pre-law,that was academically rigorous .
Craig Krenzel QB a national championship team with a much harder major (and academic awards in that major) than pre-med. kids should be allowed to choose their own path.
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allen
8/29/2017 12:22 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
If our head football coach was really pushing players into easier majors and holding playing time over their heads, I think that would be a scandal.
I read the comments attributed to coaches Solich and Albin a little differently.

A friend of mine's son got a football scholarship to Stanford.

He wanted to go premed.

He was told by the coaches that there was no way he could commit the time required for football and major in pre-med.

I would like to think that the coaches may have been trying to tell the kid that most likely he wouldn't have the time to play D1 football and stay eligible in a major like pre-law,that was academically rigorous .
Craig Krenzel QB a national championship team with a much harder major (and academic awards in that major) than pre-med. kids should be allowed to choose their own path.

The kid we faced last year in Tennessee, Dobbs was an aerospace engineering major.
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rpbobcat
8/29/2017 6:49 AM
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Craig Krenzel QB a national championship team with a much harder major (and academic awards in that major) than pre-med. kids should be allowed to choose their own path.


The kid we faced last year in Tennessee, Dobbs was an aerospace engineering major.
No one is saying that a kid shouldn't be allowed to choose whatever major they want.

What I don't know is how many students realize the time commitments needed to participate in sports on the D1 level and keep up and stay eligible with a tough academic major.
This is especially true for today's scholarship players in football and basketball.

As I said before,I played D1 soccer at O.U. and wrestled D1 at F.D.U.,while majoring in engineering.

During the school year my life consisted of lifting/running ,practice and games/matches and studying.
In my case,this helped keep me focused ,something that wasn't the case before I went out for O.U.s soccer team.

Are there students mature enough to handle both D1 sports and a tough major?
Sure.
But I think,to a great extent they are the exception,not the rule.
Last Edited: 8/29/2017 6:50:29 AM by rpbobcat
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BillyTheCat
8/29/2017 3:58 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
Craig Krenzel QB a national championship team with a much harder major (and academic awards in that major) than pre-med. kids should be allowed to choose their own path.


The kid we faced last year in Tennessee, Dobbs was an aerospace engineering major.
No one is saying that a kid shouldn't be allowed to choose whatever major they want.

What I don't know is how many students realize the time commitments needed to participate in sports on the D1 level and keep up and stay eligible with a tough academic major.
This is especially true for today's scholarship players in football and basketball.

As I said before,I played D1 soccer at O.U. and wrestled D1 at F.D.U.,while majoring in engineering.

During the school year my life consisted of lifting/running ,practice and games/matches and studying.
In my case,this helped keep me focused ,something that wasn't the case before I went out for O.U.s soccer team.

Are there students mature enough to handle both D1 sports and a tough major?
Sure.
But I think,to a great extent they are the exception,not the rule.
Actually yeah, we were having a conversation regarding if athletes are getting the majors they want.
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OhioCatFan
8/29/2017 11:42 PM
I remember several years ago when OSU played a football game at WVU, a West Virginia station that I was watching a pre-game newscast on went out of its way to point out that WVU had four pre-med majors in their starting offensive. They even showed a graphic highlighting the positions these guys played -- as I recall two were in the backfield and two on the line. This was back in the days of OSU's Andy Katzenmoyer, who was the brunt of national jokes when he had to take an "AIDS Awareness" class in summer school to regain his eligibility. I think the sportscasters were gently poking fun at OSU's lack of academic rigor in its athletic programs. OSU did win the game easily, as I recall, which I suppose proves that WVU should have insisted those premed majors switch to specialized studies so they could spend more time honing their football skills! ;-)
Last Edited: 8/29/2017 11:44:22 PM by OhioCatFan
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rpbobcat
8/30/2017 7:15 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Craig Krenzel QB a national championship team with a much harder major (and academic awards in that major) than pre-med. kids should be allowed to choose their own path.


The kid we faced last year in Tennessee, Dobbs was an aerospace engineering major.
No one is saying that a kid shouldn't be allowed to choose whatever major they want.

What I don't know is how many students realize the time commitments needed to participate in sports on the D1 level and keep up and stay eligible with a tough academic major.
This is especially true for today's scholarship players in football and basketball.

As I said before,I played D1 soccer at O.U. and wrestled D1 at F.D.U.,while majoring in engineering.

During the school year my life consisted of lifting/running ,practice and games/matches and studying.
In my case,this helped keep me focused ,something that wasn't the case before I went out for O.U.s soccer team.

Are there students mature enough to handle both D1 sports and a tough major?
Sure.
But I think,to a great extent they are the exception,not the rule.
Actually yeah, we were having a conversation regarding if athletes are getting the majors they want.
I never said we weren't.

I thought I made it clear that I believe any student athlete should be able to pursue any major they want.

What I did say is that,speaking from experience,I don't know how many students realize the time commitments needed to compete at the D1 level and take a tough major.
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BillyTheCat
8/30/2017 9:35 PM
But you did say that "No one is saying that a kid shouldn't be allowed to choose whatever major they want.". That claim was clearly made and is the crux of the conversation brought by SBH's post.
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rpbobcat
8/31/2017 6:56 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
But you did say that "No one is saying that a kid shouldn't be allowed to choose whatever major they want.". That claim was clearly made and is the crux of the conversation brought by SBH's post.
As I said in my last post,I believe any student athlete has the right to pursue any major they want.

I also posted how I interpreted the comments attributed to coaches Solich and Albin.

I saw their comments as a way of letting the person they were talking to know that he may not have the time needed for D1 football and pre-law.

I would think that,if the kid felt he could handle both,he would try it for a semester or two and see.
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giacomo
8/31/2017 5:12 PM
I'm not on board with made up majors. But in the end, if you don't get a degree in something marketable than you lose. You played a sport and likely didn't go pro. It would be better to be second or third string and have a quality major, than to start and have some trumped up degree. But who am I to say what a quality degree is? I've always said scholarship athletes were given an opportunity. If they waste it, sing no sad songs for them. The disgrace comes when the school and/or coaching staff steer them in the wrong direction merely to keep them eligible.
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allen
9/1/2017 12:52 AM
Specialized Studies is a program to enhance your focus, you still have to take core classes. Here are the examples. Somebody got bored and started a rumor.
https://www.ohio.edu/uc/bss/programs.cfm
Degree Examples
B.S.S. degree program examples that OHIO students have created
Acting and Dance Performance
Administration Analysis
Anthropology and Cultural Studies
Athletic Marketing and Communication
Business and Printmaking
Business and Recreational Services
Communication and Deaf Studies
Counterterrorism and Global Security
Criminology and Diversity
Cultural and Religious Studies
Dramatic and Literary Analysis
English and Playwriting
Entertainment Productions
Entrepreneurship and Business Management
Environmental Planning and Policy
Event Planning
Film and Media Arts
Global Economics and Finance
Global and Social Justice
Health Communication and Marketing
History and English Literature
History and Political Discourse
Hospitality Management
Information Security Management
Information Systems and Economics
Interdisciplinary Arts and Human Relations
International Arts Management
International Communication and Culture
Marketing and Communication Studies
Marketing and Nutrition
Mental Health Services
Multimedia Writing
Music Management and Media Relations
Music, Psychology, and Health Services
Natural Sciences and Nutrition
News Reporting and Politics
Organizational Administration
Photojournalism and Graphic Design
Physiology and Recreation Management
Political and Cultural Studies
Production Design for Theatre and Film
Retail Marketing
Retail Merchandising and International Business
Social Psychology and Criminal Justice
Strategic Communication and Business Management
Travel and Leisure Planning
Urban Planning and Environmental Sciences
Wildlife Policy Management
Women's Health Communication
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rpbobcat
9/1/2017 7:06 AM
allen wrote:expand_more
Specialized Studies is a program to enhance your focus, you still have to take core classes. Here are the examples. Somebody got bored and started a rumor.
https://www.ohio.edu/uc/bss/programs.cfm
Degree Examples
B.S.S. degree program examples that OHIO students have created
Acting and Dance Performance
Administration Analysis
Anthropology and Cultural Studies
Athletic Marketing and Communication
Business and Printmaking
Business and Recreational Services
Communication and Deaf Studies
Counterterrorism and Global Security
Criminology and Diversity
Cultural and Religious Studies
Dramatic and Literary Analysis
English and Playwriting
Entertainment Productions
Entrepreneurship and Business Management
Environmental Planning and Policy
Event Planning
Film and Media Arts
Global Economics and Finance
Global and Social Justice
Health Communication and Marketing
History and English Literature
History and Political Discourse
Hospitality Management
Information Security Management
Information Systems and Economics
Interdisciplinary Arts and Human Relations
International Arts Management
International Communication and Culture
Marketing and Communication Studies
Marketing and Nutrition
Mental Health Services
Multimedia Writing
Music Management and Media Relations
Music, Psychology, and Health Services
Natural Sciences and Nutrition
News Reporting and Politics
Organizational Administration
Photojournalism and Graphic Design
Physiology and Recreation Management
Political and Cultural Studies
Production Design for Theatre and Film
Retail Marketing
Retail Merchandising and International Business
Social Psychology and Criminal Justice
Strategic Communication and Business Management
Travel and Leisure Planning
Urban Planning and Environmental Sciences
Wildlife Policy Management
Women's Health Communication
As I posted earlier,the BSS can be used to allow a student to customize a degree to meet specific needs.

These are examples of 50 or so students who did that.

Obviously,since this is on O.U.'s website,they chose the best BSS examples.

I'd be more interested to see a breakdown of the "title" and course breakdown for all BSS degrees, particularly student athletes.
Last Edited: 9/1/2017 7:07:01 AM by rpbobcat
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allen
9/1/2017 9:45 AM
You also have to take 3000 level classes, so we would have to go throught the catalogue and see if there are some cake 3000 level classes. Fom what i understand it that the original poster made up with his dog and rescinded the post, but I cannot be to sure about that. Below are the requirements. https://www.ohio.edu/uc/bss/requirements.cfm
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rpbobcat
9/1/2017 10:05 AM
allen wrote:expand_more
You also have to take 3000 level classes, so we would have to go throught the catalogue and see if there are some cake 3000 level classes. Fom what i understand it that the original poster made up with his dog and rescinded the post, but I cannot be to sure about that. Below are the requirements. https://www.ohio.edu/uc/bss/requirements.cfm
I quickly went through O.U.'s Course catalog.

There a number of what,to be polite,I would call "less then academically challenging " 3000 level and above classes.
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OhioCatFan
9/1/2017 10:53 AM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
You also have to take 3000 level classes, so we would have to go throught the catalogue and see if there are some cake 3000 level classes. Fom what i understand it that the original poster made up with his dog and rescinded the post, but I cannot be to sure about that. Below are the requirements. https://www.ohio.edu/uc/bss/requirements.cfm
I quickly went through O.U.'s Course catalog.

There a number of what,to be polite,I would call "less then academically challenging " 3000 level and above classes.
Looking on the bright side, I don't think we have any classes that quite compare with the famous "AIDS Awareness" class at Ohio A&M that allowed Andy Katzenmoyer to remain eligible.
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SBH
9/1/2017 11:07 AM
allen wrote:expand_more
You also have to take 3000 level classes, so we would have to go throught the catalogue and see if there are some cake 3000 level classes. Fom what i understand it that the original poster made up with his dog and rescinded the post, but I cannot be to sure about that. Below are the requirements. https://www.ohio.edu/uc/bss/requirements.cfm
I didn't "rescind" anything. The story is true. You'd like to believe Ohio doesn't play any of the BS games with its student/athletes. Fact is, we do. All part of what's wrong with college athletics. BTW, based on your grasp of spelling and grammar, allen, I assume you are a BSS "success story?"
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OUVan
9/1/2017 11:24 AM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
What I don't know is how many students realize the time commitments needed to participate in sports on the D1 level and keep up and stay eligible with a tough academic major.
This is especially true for today's scholarship players in football and basketball.

As I said before,I played D1 soccer at O.U. and wrestled D1 at F.D.U.,while majoring in engineering.

During the school year my life consisted of lifting/running ,practice and games/matches and studying.
In my case,this helped keep me focused ,something that wasn't the case before I went out for O.U.s soccer team.

Are there students mature enough to handle both D1 sports and a tough major?
Sure.
But I think,to a great extent they are the exception,not the rule.
Just wondering but what does a typical D1 football and/or basketball player's weekly schedule look like for the activities related to their sport?
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BillyTheCat
9/1/2017 11:48 AM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
You also have to take 3000 level classes, so we would have to go throught the catalogue and see if there are some cake 3000 level classes. Fom what i understand it that the original poster made up with his dog and rescinded the post, but I cannot be to sure about that. Below are the requirements. https://www.ohio.edu/uc/bss/requirements.cfm
I quickly went through O.U.'s Course catalog.

There a number of what,to be polite,I would call "less then academically challenging " 3000 level and above classes.
A better question would be how many on-line classes are being taken, v. lecture or lab, be in physical presence?
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allen
9/1/2017 11:51 AM
SBH wrote:expand_more
You also have to take 3000 level classes, so we would have to go throught the catalogue and see if there are some cake 3000 level classes. Fom what i understand it that the original poster made up with his dog and rescinded the post, but I cannot be to sure about that. Below are the requirements. https://www.ohio.edu/uc/bss/requirements.cfm
I didn't "rescind" anything. The story is true. You'd like to believe Ohio doesn't play any of the BS games with its student/athletes. Fact is, we do. All part of what's wrong with college athletics. BTW, based on your grasp of spelling and grammar, allen, I assume you are a BSS "success story?"
I have an undergraduate bachelors of art in History and a masters of science in management. I could have told you that eating sparky's last biscuit would be a problem. I tend to drift towards servant leadership versus the typical authoritarian leadership model that most others ascribe to.
So let me get this straight, we are supposed to believe that our head coach with decades of experience would threaten his own legacy and job by telling a walk-on to change his major to special studies if he want to play. He is not smart enough to delegate this to an assistant coach or a grad assistant. We are also supposed to believe that within a five minute period, you received two messages from two former players confirming it.
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SBH
9/1/2017 11:54 AM
Walk-on? Not. Prized recruit from NE Ohio.

Two messages within 2 days.

Are you an idiot? Oh, never mind.
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GoCats105
9/1/2017 12:27 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
You also have to take 3000 level classes, so we would have to go throught the catalogue and see if there are some cake 3000 level classes. Fom what i understand it that the original poster made up with his dog and rescinded the post, but I cannot be to sure about that. Below are the requirements. https://www.ohio.edu/uc/bss/requirements.cfm
I didn't "rescind" anything. The story is true. You'd like to believe Ohio doesn't play any of the BS games with its student/athletes. Fact is, we do. All part of what's wrong with college athletics. BTW, based on your grasp of spelling and grammar, allen, I assume you are a BSS "success story?"
I have an undergraduate bachelors of art in History and a masters of science in management. I could have told you that eating sparky's last biscuit would be a problem. I tend to drift towards servant leadership versus the typical authoritarian leadership model that most others ascribe to.
So let me get this straight, we are supposed to believe that our head coach with decades of experience would threaten his own legacy and job by telling a walk-on to change his major to special studies if he want to play. He is not smart enough to delegate this to an assistant coach or a grad assistant. We are also supposed to believe that within a five minute period, you received two messages from two former players confirming it.
Solich was coach of a super power at Nebraska. You don't think things like this were taking place?
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