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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
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Posted: 10/22/2018 1:49 PM
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Unless your livelihood is tied to know who any of these guys are before they ever hit the court in a game, I'd suggest The Brian Smith System of Player Evaluation.

Be completely oblivious to who everybody new is and then you can just assume they're all great for six months. Then when they start playing, you can sort through who's a keeper and who's not but still keep it to yourself. And then you'll be wrong with that analysis anyways but your opinion on the players won't be out there so nobody knows you got it wrong. So then when they're juniors you just say knowingly on here: "I knew this kid was special. I knew it from day one" while the guys who you actually thought would be good have transferred to a community college in the plains states.

You can't lose with my system, which dovetails into my life system I've been perfecting in the real world for 10 years now: Just shut up and people will think you're smart.

I save my hot takes and uninformed blabbering for the coaches. Because they get paid a lot of money to deal with bozos like me.
It's a better system than just looking at who else recruited them. There are only two exceptions to that system: 1. If they are from the South and particularly from the Southeast then they are destined to be All-MAC. 2. If said player is from Nashville might as well start preparing his bust for Springfield.
3. Always recruit the state of Minnesota for fourth guys off the bench.
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Posted: 10/22/2018 2:43 PM
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Brian Smith wrote:expand_more
Unless your livelihood is tied to know who any of these guys are before they ever hit the court in a game, I'd suggest The Brian Smith System of Player Evaluation.

Be completely oblivious to who everybody new is and then you can just assume they're all great for six months. Then when they start playing, you can sort through who's a keeper and who's not but still keep it to yourself. And then you'll be wrong with that analysis anyways but your opinion on the players won't be out there so nobody knows you got it wrong. So then when they're juniors you just say knowingly on here: "I knew this kid was special. I knew it from day one" while the guys who you actually thought would be good have transferred to a community college in the plains states.

You can't lose with my system, which dovetails into my life system I've been perfecting in the real world for 10 years now: Just shut up and people will think you're smart.

I save my hot takes and uninformed blabbering for the coaches. Because they get paid a lot of money to deal with bozos like me.
It's a better system than just looking at who else recruited them. There are only two exceptions to that system: 1. If they are from the South and particularly from the Southeast then they are destined to be All-MAC. 2. If said player is from Nashville might as well start preparing his bust for Springfield.
3. Always recruit the state of Minnesota for fourth guys off the bench.

4. If a player is from Athens County, or any adjacent county, and they look good in high school, Ohio really should be recruiting them.
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Posted: 10/22/2018 11:33 PM
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4. If a player is from Athens County, or any adjacent county, and they look good in high school, Ohio really should be recruiting [him or her].
This is basically truer than you might think. Ohio's greatest team ever was made up of five starters from Southern Ohio, three of which were from SEO. I'm talking about the Elite 8 Team.
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Posted: 10/24/2018 6:06 PM
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OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
4. If a player is from Athens County, or any adjacent county, and they look good in high school, Ohio really should be recruiting [him or her].
This is basically truer than you might think. Ohio's greatest team ever was made up of five starters from Southern Ohio, three of which were from SEO. I'm talking about the Elite 8 Team.
Starters, not 4th guy off the bench. Problem is the past 30 years SE Ohio has littered rosters of successful DI players at various schools not Named OHIO.

Theteam youare speaking of OCF, got the best of the group and look how that played out. Simple truth is more SE Ohio players have made a name wearing uniforms without OHIO on the front. The region is not deep in talent, but we’ve got to keep the best ones home. It’s not like football, where SEO bestcompetes at the FBS P5 level, but we’ve produced many quality DI players. Same could be said for the sport of baseball.
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Posted: 10/24/2018 8:04 PM
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OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
4. If a player is from Athens County, or any adjacent county, and they look good in high school, Ohio really should be recruiting [him or her].
This is basically truer than you might think. Ohio's greatest team ever was made up of five starters from Southern Ohio, three of which were from SEO. I'm talking about the Elite 8 Team.
We could make the argument that the greatest Bobcat team ever was the 1940-41 team that went to the NIT Finals and finished 18-4. Team was led by Frank Baumholtz, All American and NIT MVP. This was back when the NIT was regarded as THE post season tournament. If we really wanted to stretch things a bit, we could also say Frank, from Tuscarawas County, was a southeast OH guy...
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Posted: 10/26/2018 11:10 AM
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OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Unless your livelihood is tied to know who any of these guys are before they ever hit the court in a game, I'd suggest The Brian Smith System of Player Evaluation.

Be completely oblivious to who everybody new is and then you can just assume they're all great for six months. Then when they start playing, you can sort through who's a keeper and who's not but still keep it to yourself. And then you'll be wrong with that analysis anyways but your opinion on the players won't be out there so nobody knows you got it wrong. So then when they're juniors you just say knowingly on here: "I knew this kid was special. I knew it from day one" while the guys who you actually thought would be good have transferred to a community college in the plains states.

You can't lose with my system, which dovetails into my life system I've been perfecting in the real world for 10 years now: Just shut up and people will think you're smart.

I save my hot takes and uninformed blabbering for the coaches. Because they get paid a lot of money to deal with bozos like me.
It's a better system than just looking at who else recruited them. There are only two exceptions to that system: 1. If they are from the South and particularly from the Southeast then they are destined to be All-MAC. 2. If said player is from Nashville might as well start preparing his bust for Springfield.
3. Always recruit the state of Minnesota for fourth guys off the bench.

4. If a player is from Athens County, or any adjacent county, and they look good in high school, Ohio really should be recruiting them.
Look what you've done! I simply insulted Minnesota! Nobody from Minnesota reads this crap! Now we're going to hear how this all would've turned out differently if we had left DJ Cooper in Chicago and instead recruited SE Ohio's finest!
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Posted: 10/26/2018 11:45 AM
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In all seriousness, what players from SE Ohio region has Ohio missed on?

-The obvious one is Jake Kretzer who went to Akron, from Waverly.

-Chris and Brett McKnight went to Akron, from Lancaster.

-Chase Fieler went to Florida Gulf Coast, from Parkersburg, though I'm not even sure he was on Ohio's radar.

Those are some recent examples. Who else am I missing?
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Posted: 10/26/2018 12:24 PM
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Brian Smith wrote:expand_more
3. Always recruit the state of Minnesota for fourth guys off the bench.

4. If a player is from Athens County, or any adjacent county, and they look good in high school, Ohio really should be recruiting them.
Look what you've done! I simply insulted Minnesota! Nobody from Minnesota reads this crap! Now we're going to hear how this all would've turned out differently if we had left DJ Cooper in Chicago and instead recruited SE Ohio's finest!
Ha! I simply couldn't resist because it's been a well used conversation piece on this board. That said, I'm sure there truly are some guys they should have signed that might have signed with Ohio. The only one in recent memory (since the late 90's) I would have like to have had is Jake Kretzer. Anyone else?
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Posted: 10/26/2018 1:32 PM
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GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
In all seriousness, what players from SE Ohio region has Ohio missed on?

-The obvious one is Jake Kretzer who went to Akron, from Waverly.

-Chris and Brett McKnight went to Akron, from Lancaster.

-Chase Fieler went to Florida Gulf Coast, from Parkersburg, though I'm not even sure he was on Ohio's radar.

Those are some recent examples. Who else am I missing?
Nick Aldridge from South Webster
Evan Bradds, Greeneview
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Posted: 10/26/2018 2:57 PM
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In all seriousness, what players from SE Ohio region has Ohio missed on?

-The obvious one is Jake Kretzer who went to Akron, from Waverly.

-Chris and Brett McKnight went to Akron, from Lancaster.

-Chase Fieler went to Florida Gulf Coast, from Parkersburg, though I'm not even sure he was on Ohio's radar.

Those are some recent examples. Who else am I missing?
Nick Aldridge from South Webster
Evan Bradds, Greeneview
I know it's kind of splitting hairs, but is Greenview really in the "Southeast Ohio" region? I say no personally. Agree though on Nick Aldridge, though if anyone could be bothered they didn't keep him close to home, Marshall might be bothered by him going to Davidson more.
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Posted: 10/26/2018 6:45 PM
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Does Ibi Watson count as a miss (yet)?
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OU_Country wrote:expand_more
3. Always recruit the state of Minnesota for fourth guys off the bench.

4. If a player is from Athens County, or any adjacent county, and they look good in high school, Ohio really should be recruiting them.
Look what you've done! I simply insulted Minnesota! Nobody from Minnesota reads this crap! Now we're going to hear how this all would've turned out differently if we had left DJ Cooper in Chicago and instead recruited SE Ohio's finest!
Ha! I simply couldn't resist because it's been a well used conversation piece on this board. That said, I'm sure there truly are some guys they should have signed that might have signed with Ohio. The only one in recent memory (since the late 90's) I would have like to have had is Jake Kretzer. Anyone else?
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Ohio only had one scholarship to offer during the Jake Kretzer year and it went initially to Caris LeVert. Kretzer then committed to Akron before the scholarship came back open. Can't really blame the Bobcats for not getting Kretzer that year.
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Posted: 10/28/2018 4:03 PM
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Really need to count Bradds in the Kretzer, LeVert conversation as he was verballed to the Bobcats when the coach left. Didn't miss, he was a Bobcat as was LeVert.
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Posted: 10/28/2018 10:16 PM
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He's not fast enough to catch my dog. (who also happens to be from the Carolinas)

I'll give him a thousand bucks if he is fast enough to catch this Carolina "American Dingo" dog...
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/936283822471118850/x...
I am actually the proud owner of a Carolina Dog as well, and I can attest that they are very quick. But to be fair, Usain Bolt would struggle to keep up with a CD for more than 100 meters or so...not sure what that has to do with the skills of any basketball player or other Olympic athelete.
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He's not fast enough to catch my dog. (who also happens to be from the Carolinas)

I'll give him a thousand bucks if he is fast enough to catch this Carolina "American Dingo" dog...
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/936283822471118850/x...
I am actually the proud owner of a Carolina Dog as well, and I can attest that they are very quick. But to be fair, Usain Bolt would struggle to keep up with a CD for more than 100 meters or so...not sure what that has to do with the skills of any basketball player or other Olympic athelete.
Somebody asked a silly sarcastic question about if a certain ballplayer "had kicked my dog." That brought the somewhat less sarcastic answer that my dog can run 30 mph which is 2 mph faster than Usain Bolt was clocked at on his best day... thus my dog getting kicked was highly unlikely.

But back to Carolina dogs... did you get yours from a breeder or a shelter?
I got mine from a shelter when he was a puppy of around a year old and they thought he was some form of shepherd/husky mix. They also said incorrectly that he was six years old, so... But the vet said he was a year or so old and he still acted like a puppy at the time, so that made sense. He's around two and a half now and has turned out to be the most friendly, loyal, smart, wonderful pet ever. But I have had to bury four rabbits and counting in the back yard. Killing rabbits is just a game to him I guess.

Do you have a picture of your CD that's in a format that can be posted?
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GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
In all seriousness, what players from SE Ohio region has Ohio missed on?

-The obvious one is Jake Kretzer who went to Akron, from Waverly.

-Chris and Brett McKnight went to Akron, from Lancaster.

-Chase Fieler went to Florida Gulf Coast, from Parkersburg, though I'm not even sure he was on Ohio's radar.

Those are some recent examples. Who else am I missing?
To go back several years:

Portsmouth - Craig Tubbs, Jeff Lisath (both Miami), Patrick Tubbs (Morehead), Ky're Allison (Marshall)

South Webster - Brett Roberts (led NCAA in scoring as a senior at Morehead)

Burg - Couple Eaton boys, and a Newman who went to Marquette, Holden (we are not going to get him)

Greenfield - Dante Jackson (Xavier)

Chillicothe - Anthony Hitchens

Southeastern - Kevin Netter (BGSU)

Simply off the top of my head.
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Posted: 10/29/2018 4:56 PM
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Going back several decades:

Wellston - Eddie Jacobs

He was a 1st team All-Ohio selectee for the 1965-66 season.

Eddie accepted a scholarship to Ohio State, but would probably have been a better fit as a Bobcat playing for gentleman Jim Snyder.

Here is an Athens Messenger article (upper right corner of page) about the Southeastern Ohio Athletic League (SEOAL) All-Star Team Selections for this season.

https://newspaperarchive.com/athens-messenger-feb-28-1966... /

Jacobs was the unanimous league MVP averaging 24 pts and 7 rebounds per game and shooting 51% from the field and 76% from the line' Not sure if Eddie was offered a scholarship by Ohio, but there is no doubt that Coach Snyder saw Jacobs play as his son Todd faced Wellston at least twice each season. I believe that this 65/66 Wellston team (class AA and, thus, grouped with the largest schools in Ohio) finished the season ranked 8th in the state.

For you researchers out there, this link lists All-Ohio team selections from the 1938/39 season thru 2017/18.

http://crawfordcountybasketball.com/allohio.html
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Didn't we discuss the Hitchens thing? DJ or Humpty or something like that? Wasn't there something like O Shea and Rhodes looked at Hitchens but thought him too short for D1. Just trying to remember the conversation before the crash. Pretty sure most of us would take DJ over Hitchens at this point or maybe at the time anyway. I would not count that as a miss in this conversation.
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longtiimelurker wrote:expand_more
Didn't we discuss the Hitchens thing? DJ or Humpty or something like that? Wasn't there something like O Shea and Rhodes looked at Hitchens but thought him too short for D1. Just trying to remember the conversation before the crash. Pretty sure most of us would take DJ over Hitchens at this point or maybe at the time anyway. I would not count that as a miss in this conversation.
Not to mention he only lasted two years at Akron before transferring to James Madison. I think Ohio got the better end of the deal.
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So anyway...I hope people remember just how incredible of a basketball player Jason Carter is. I can not wait to see him in action again.
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So anyway...I hope people remember just how incredible of a basketball player Jason Carter is. I can not wait to see him in action again.
I second this.
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GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
So anyway...I hope people remember just how incredible of a basketball player Jason Carter is. I can not wait to see him in action again.
I second this.
Third.
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So glad to see Carter back and healthy. Really good player but I wish he would stop the whining and complaining to the officials. Not a good look.
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In fairness, he gets whacked for a lit of weak calls.
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