And, what if JC had stayed? It's not as if his last recruiting class here that he left for Saul was full of world beaters. A thought worth considering anyway.
It actually was full of world beaters and one is playing on Texas Tech right now.
Yeah and if Christian would have stayed one more year there wouldn't have been a team the following year. Would have been a full-on mutiny.
That’s Saul’s fault for not being able to keep those guys.
Tariq Owens is 34 years old, has transferred 15 times, and has reached his absolute ceiling by becoming a role player on a top 15 team. He's not exactly a program altering talent.
Who were these other world beaters we're so angry at Saul for losing?
Yeah...he lost Ryan Taylor, whatever happened to that chump?
Correct me, but I believe he is just the best recruit Saul has ever delivered to our campus. And correct me again, but Saul lost him because Saul couldn't control the egos of a couple of shoot-first point guards that were on their way out.
Players who are recruited by one coach often leave when another is hired. To pretend this is somehow unique to Saul because you're upset with how kids are currently playing basketball seems silly to me.
We went through 3 coaches in 3 years. Even the best run program's going to see player turnover during a stretch like that. You may be willing to attribute Ryan Taylor's leaving to some personality shortcoming you've noticed in Saul, but I suspect it's far more nuanced that the narrative you're building.
No nuance here. How about a direct statement. Saul lost Ryan Taylor because he did not have the guts to manage the ego of Bean Willis, the ego of Stevie Taylor, and the locker room in general. Saul is not a leader, he is a car salesman. It was not that long ago, but we both know narratives age romantically right? [/QUOTE]Some of you guys just make shit up as you go, don't you? If Ryan Taylor's issue was Stevie and Bean (who were both probably sick of coaching changes and maybe (and somewhat rightfully) had some me-first attitudes their last year, he certainly would have looked forward to the next year when they were gone. If you think you know everything going through a college player's head, then you could make a lot of money shrinking heads for a living. and if you think a coach's locker room persona is the same as what you see in the media, then I'll have some of what you're smoking (for instance, Bob Donewald was the nicest guy ever to the media and went on to become a great and personable color analyst. But if you don't think there's another side to his personality, offer him a pizza during a game he's losing badly).
Whatever just isn't working now for whatever reason, at least not consistently) and I agree that time is probably running out as much I want to see Saul turn in some sort of miracle in the last 10 games... but insulting someone as a person when it's not warranted is beneath this board. But especially when that person is a Bobcat and a great member of the community. Saul took another mid-major to an NCAA tournament. Twice. He knocked off a top program in a tournament. He's done what we all want to do and recently did. you have no actual clue whether he can coach, but there's a lot more evidence that he CAN coach than there is that he can't. Maybe it's just hard to admit that our program isn't the slam dunk we all think it should be.
[/QUOTE]Last 3 Coaches
O'Shea - won a MAC Tournament - NCAA Appearance
Groce - 2 MAC Tournaments wins - 3 NCAA Tourney wins
Christian - tied for best Record in MAC 14-2 Ohio made it to MAC Championship Game. he was here 2 yrs
Saul Phillips - 5 years and a Big Goose Egg !!!
Ohio Basketball program was starting to turn the corner and face it, Schaus just hired the wrong man for the job. Its been down hill for 5 years now. we all know it and Schaus knows it, that's why no extension after last year, hopefully Schaus will get a coach that can bring Ohio back to its winning ways something that we've all grown accustom to.