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The Better Ohio Bobcat
11/26/2018 8:03 PM
[/QUOTE]I prefer the TOS, Groce method of finding a respected P5 assistant and promoting them. It's cheaper and in the case of OU the results have been better.

[/QUOTE]^^^YES
Last Edited: 11/26/2018 8:03:17 PM by The Better Ohio Bobcat
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SBH
11/26/2018 8:06 PM
We gave TOS a guaranteed 7-year deal. Expensive.
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Alan Swank
11/26/2018 9:24 PM
Had no idea that Geno is an assistant at Stony Brook.
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MonroeClassmate
11/26/2018 10:31 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Had no idea that Geno is an assistant at Stony Brook.
MAGA equivalent: MOGGGA

MAKE OHIO GREAT GET GENO AGAIN...Lower cost option; MAC coaching success.

Of course this is from someone who doesn't want Saul to leave and doesn't know Geno's personality, work ethic or what baggage he may bring.
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RSBobcat
11/26/2018 11:57 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Just another quality road win at Rhode Island. Stony Brook is now 5-1. #PayAttention
C'mon! We blew an 18-point lead at home to Austin Peay only to rally and win in OT!

That's not as impressive???

Gonna be a long year.
When we were down 5 with 1:43 in OT and had not scored a point, I noticed some folks heading for the doors. Not sure what happened but just like that the mojo on the floor changed and tide turned. Gritty win and it was nice to see the team not toss in the towel. My greatest concern at this point is it appears we only have a seven man rotation. Against teams that bang and/or run and gun, it's going to be tough to win in a closely called game.

Tuesday night should be interesting.
Agree - Gritty win and no giving it up. AP was hitting shots H2 and playing Very hard H2 - And we had a lot of clankers from 3 line And inside - That's what closed the lead.
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RSBobcat
11/27/2018 12:02 AM
100%Cat wrote:expand_more
Just another quality road win at Rhode Island. Stony Brook is now 5-1. #PayAttention
Being honest, I personally have minimal faith in that actually happening, or being done close to the right way.
You only say that because we have a t-shirt cannon that can't get a shirt past the first three rows of the student section.
Yeah - But we do have Incredible Security - So Good you need a secret map to figure out how to actually get into the Convo. From my typical "Blue Lot" parking that I find - I have to use the GPS on my phone to make sure I don't end up in Albany.....
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RSBobcat
11/27/2018 12:10 AM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Had no idea that Geno is an assistant at Stony Brook.
Wow - Really surprised you did not know that. Imagine if we did get Boals - first Fiami game pretty much a guarantee that the entire '94 team would be there (incl Trent of course) - Now that would be Really Awesome.....
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Recovering Journalist
11/27/2018 8:29 AM
RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
Yeah - But we do have Incredible Security - So Good you need a secret map to figure out how to actually get into the Convo. From my typical "Blue Lot" parking that I find - I have to use the GPS on my phone to make sure I don't end up in Albany.....
I'm especially impressed that it now extends indoors. It's so very helpful to not be allowed to walk around the inside concourse.
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OU_Country
11/27/2018 9:33 AM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Just another quality road win at Rhode Island. Stony Brook is now 5-1. #PayAttention
#WhatAreWePayingAttentionToStonyBrookFor? #WhatsThePurposeOfUsingHashtagsInBobcatAttack?


Going back to typing like an adult again...Maybe it's me, but I'd be surprised if Coach Boals would come here for anything short of $450-550k that the job has paid in the last 5-7 years. Maybe I'm wrong. Working off the assumption that we're highly likely to cut whatever the coaches salary will be, I think Boals might be more than Ohio will choose to afford. Again, maybe I'm wrong.

I'd also assume that he's a guy who left Ohio State for a head coaching gig that might actually pay him LESS than he made with Thad as Associate Head Coach. I'm sure that info is out there somewhere - I haven't looked it up.

If I'm a betting man, I'm betting Coach Boals aspires to get to a P5 level job. If he does, is Ohio a better job for him, right now, than Stony Brook? 5-6 years ago, this wasn't even a debate, because it was. But, Stony Brook has done some renovations in recent years to facilities that might have changed that. They're also in a conference I'd argue that is easier to win in, and in an area that may be easier to recruit from. Again, I don't know. There's some assumption in this space that thinks he would come here just because it's his Alma Mater. Not everyone does that. I'm not sure I'd do that in his case If I were him, solely because it's his Alma mater.
What exactly has Boals done to prove he needs to be offered a P5 job? His overall record is 36-34 and has yet to make an NCAA Tournament. If those were the only criteria then Saul would have skipped Ohio altogether, having been there twice and also winning. Boals needs to work his way up the ladder before anything seriously happens.

And yes, Ohio is a better job than Stony Brook, regardless of their facilities or how easy their conference is to win.
I agree, Boals hasn't done anything yet my friend. I'm merely posing the thought that a P5 job is likely his goal, and following that with the question of "is Ohio the best way for him to get there"? At the moment, I'm not sure that's the case given what we visually see on the trainwreck that is how things are run in and around the Convo, and how we think maybe the budget may be reduced moving forward. Only he and people close to him know if he'd jump at coaching his alma mater.
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OU_Country
11/27/2018 9:37 AM
MonroeClassmate wrote:expand_more
Had no idea that Geno is an assistant at Stony Brook.
MAGA equivalent: MOGGGA

MAKE OHIO GREAT GET GENO AGAIN...Lower cost option; MAC coaching success.

Of course this is from someone who doesn't want Saul to leave and doesn't know Geno's personality, work ethic or what baggage he may bring.
I'm assuming that my sarcasm and humor detector is failing as usual, but....if you were being serious, other than to bring back a couple hundred older fans that want to reminisce in the good teams from the 90's for a few years, why on God's green earth would we want Geno as head coach?

Me personally, I loved him as a player, but I'll hard pass on him as a coach.
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11/27/2018 10:08 AM
I for 1 would not be in favor of Geno based on his past at both Kent and Bradley.
I also believe that unless we win 20 games this year and get to the MACC finals, we need to go in another direction.
I have no issue with Boals as our coach. I am always positive for a university to hire a previous student athlete as a head coach.





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bobcatsquared
11/27/2018 1:06 PM
How about Geno as an assistant on Boals' staff at Ohio?
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cc-cat
11/27/2018 1:17 PM
Boals being an alum means nothing and should carry zero weight. Same with Geno. Where did Nee go to college? Groce? Get the best coach for the program. No one gets a head start because they have a degree from here. It provides very, very, very, very little marketing value and even less inherent basketball value.
Last Edited: 11/27/2018 1:54:16 PM by cc-cat
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GoCats105
11/27/2018 3:47 PM
cc-cat wrote:expand_more
Boals being an alum means nothing and should carry zero weight. Same with Geno. Where did Nee go to college? Groce? Get the best coach for the program. No one gets a head start because they have a degree from here. It provides very, very, very, very little marketing value and even less inherent basketball value.
Agree here...and according to Buckeye to Bobcat, Schaus isn't keen on hiring alums anyway.
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OU_Country
11/27/2018 4:45 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Boals being an alum means nothing and should carry zero weight. Same with Geno. Where did Nee go to college? Groce? Get the best coach for the program. No one gets a head start because they have a degree from here. It provides very, very, very, very little marketing value and even less inherent basketball value.
Agree here...and according to Buckeye to Bobcat, Schaus isn't keen on hiring alums anyway.
Agree with cc-cat, though I find it a little sad that he's not keen on hiring alums in ticketing/sales/marketing jobs within the athletic department. Seems to me hiring people who truly love Ohio would make a lot of sense, giving the department a little more stability on the front lines that seems needed.
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cc-cat
11/27/2018 5:27 PM
I assume "he" /\/\/\/\/\/\/\ means Schaus. I'm all for hiring alums in those positions. (plus he matters and I don't - lol).
Last Edited: 11/27/2018 5:31:24 PM by cc-cat
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MonroeClassmate
11/27/2018 7:37 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Had no idea that Geno is an assistant at Stony Brook.
MAGA equivalent: MOGGGA

MAKE OHIO GREAT GET GENO AGAIN...Lower cost option; MAC coaching success.

Of course this is from someone who doesn't want Saul to leave and doesn't know Geno's personality, work ethic or what baggage he may bring.
I'm assuming that my sarcasm and humor detector is failing as usual, but....if you were being serious, other than to bring back a couple hundred older fans that want to reminisce in the good teams from the 90's for a few years, why on God's green earth would we want Geno as head coach?

Me personally, I loved him as a player, but I'll hard pass on him as a coach.
I wasn't being sarcastic. I am ignorant about Geno's past other than he was a 2x MAC Coach of the Year at Kent State, leading KSU to two straight MAC regular season championships. To be voted that honor must mean he fooled a lot of people smarter than me.

If Geno gained wisdom from his experience, other than a sweet sixteen in his pedigree, how is he any different than Akron hiring Gross?
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BillyTheCat
11/27/2018 8:39 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Boals being an alum means nothing and should carry zero weight. Same with Geno. Where did Nee go to college? Groce? Get the best coach for the program. No one gets a head start because they have a degree from here. It provides very, very, very, very little marketing value and even less inherent basketball value.
Agree here...and according to Buckeye to Bobcat, Schaus isn't keen on hiring alums anyway.
Agree with cc-cat, though I find it a little sad that he's not keen on hiring alums in ticketing/sales/marketing jobs within the athletic department. Seems to me hiring people who truly love Ohio would make a lot of sense, giving the department a little more stability on the front lines that seems needed.
This is funny, when you consider the thread of the new Alumni Director not being an alum and how many who felt that person must be an alum. Bottom line, a job is a job. If you feel like the best candidate should always be hired, then do not complain when certain jobs do not follow that path. #hypocrisy
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cc-cat
11/27/2018 9:17 PM
If your job is to market/sell then a knowledge and history of a company or institution is valuable. It is one of the reasons companies often bring sales people up through product management. The knowledge / history is not a must, but can bring a unique and valuable asset. If one is hired to teach or coach (win games), a history of the inner workings, culture, etc. is of considerably less value (often none in my mind). Bottom line yes, hire the best person.
Last Edited: 11/27/2018 9:17:57 PM by cc-cat
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catfan28
11/27/2018 11:21 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
This is funny, when you consider the thread of the new Alumni Director not being an alum and how many who felt that person must be an alum. Bottom line, a job is a job. If you feel like the best candidate should always be hired, then do not complain when certain jobs do not follow that path. #hypocrisy
As someone who has hired a lot of people through the years (both in corporate America and a university setting), hiring the "best candidate" usually leads to disaster, turnover and headaches. You should instead seek to always hire the best fit for your organization.

Some of the most talented and experienced hires I've made (or seen others make) have been among the worst-performing employees. A good leader knows that they must 1. Create a sustainable/productive organizational culture 2. Hire staff that fits within that culture.

From what I know/have seen at Ohio, Jim Schaus has unfortunately failed on both fronts. The hiring strategy seems more akin to plugging holes in a dam. I'm not overly optimistic when/if we are faced with hiring OUr next basketball coach.
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BillyTheCat
11/28/2018 10:23 AM
catfan28 wrote:expand_more
This is funny, when you consider the thread of the new Alumni Director not being an alum and how many who felt that person must be an alum. Bottom line, a job is a job. If you feel like the best candidate should always be hired, then do not complain when certain jobs do not follow that path. #hypocrisy
As someone who has hired a lot of people through the years (both in corporate America and a university setting), hiring the "best candidate" usually leads to disaster, turnover and headaches. You should instead seek to always hire the best fit for your organization.

Some of the most talented and experienced hires I've made (or seen others make) have been among the worst-performing employees. A good leader knows that they must 1. Create a sustainable/productive organizational culture 2. Hire staff that fits within that culture.

From what I know/have seen at Ohio, Jim Schaus has unfortunately failed on both fronts. The hiring strategy seems more akin to plugging holes in a dam. I'm not overly optimistic when/if we are faced with hiring OUr next basketball coach.
My point was to those who hammered on a thread from last year complaining that the University did not hire an alumnus for the job of director. I will agree with you on hiring philosophy, I was just pointing out that many here flip their opinions to fit their current opinions. Nothing more.
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catfan28
11/28/2018 10:58 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
My point was to those who hammered on a thread from last year complaining that the University did not hire an alumnus for the job of director. I will agree with you on hiring philosophy, I was just pointing out that many here flip their opinions to fit their current opinions. Nothing more.
Not attacking your point, I just have a pet peeve about saying the "best candidate". Fit is so much more important in almost every case. Some of the worst hires I've made came from others pressuring to take the "best". Time and experience taught me to ignore those folks :)

For what it's worth, I feel the alumni hire was a mistake. From a perception/optics standpoint, I believe that the director of any university's ALUMNI association should be an alumnus. Certainly there are plenty of qualified Bobcats out there that would have had an interest. It rubs me the wrong way in the same manner that a member of Congress can live outside of a district and still run there. Just feels a bit disingenuous.
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OU_Country
11/28/2018 1:15 PM
MonroeClassmate wrote:expand_more
Had no idea that Geno is an assistant at Stony Brook.
MAGA equivalent: MOGGGA

MAKE OHIO GREAT GET GENO AGAIN...Lower cost option; MAC coaching success.

Of course this is from someone who doesn't want Saul to leave and doesn't know Geno's personality, work ethic or what baggage he may bring.
I'm assuming that my sarcasm and humor detector is failing as usual, but....if you were being serious, other than to bring back a couple hundred older fans that want to reminisce in the good teams from the 90's for a few years, why on God's green earth would we want Geno as head coach?

Me personally, I loved him as a player, but I'll hard pass on him as a coach.
I wasn't being sarcastic. I am ignorant about Geno's past other than he was a 2x MAC Coach of the Year at Kent State, leading KSU to two straight MAC regular season championships. To be voted that honor must mean he fooled a lot of people smarter than me.

If Geno gained wisdom from his experience, other than a sweet sixteen in his pedigree, how is he any different than Akron hiring Gross?
The reason I'm not in favor of Geno is that he tanked after leaving to Bradley, and left with the law suit drama. Bottom line, assuming we're looking to hire a new coach in 6 months, I don't truly consider him that significant of an upgrade. I won't be upset if he's hired, but I'd rather see a young and hungry coach in the mold of the Groce hire ten years ago.
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OU_Country
11/28/2018 1:19 PM
catfan28 wrote:expand_more
For what it's worth, I feel the alumni hire was a mistake. From a perception/optics standpoint, I believe that the director of any university's ALUMNI association should be an alumnus. Certainly there are plenty of qualified Bobcats out there that would have had an interest. It rubs me the wrong way in the same manner that a member of Congress can live outside of a district and still run there. Just feels a bit disingenuous.
Agreed - who better to relate to alumni at an institution that a fellow alumnus? Obviously there could always be situations where that isn't always the right fit at the time, but it generally makes sense.
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FearLeon
3/17/2019 2:38 PM
Fascinating to look back on this thread now....just had a feeling about Boals on November 10, 2018. The comments in this thread are very, very interesting.
Last Edited: 3/17/2019 3:00:54 PM by FearLeon
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