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100%Cat
1/8/2020 7:58 AM
I liked how assertive McDay played last night on the offensive end. I have felt most of the year like he is hesitant to shoot sometimes but he played more aggressively last night (in my eyes). Hit free throws and the game would have been iced a lot sooner, but a win is a win. I'll take all of them we can get this year.
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Bobcat1998
1/8/2020 8:19 AM
100%Cat wrote:expand_more
I liked how assertive McDay played last night on the offensive end. I have felt most of the year like he is hesitant to shoot sometimes but he played more aggressively last night (in my eyes). Hit free throws and the game would have been iced a lot sooner, but a win is a win. I'll take all of them we can get this year.
McDay is the key along with Ogbonda. Ogbonda has had two duds to start league play. We will need him to assert himself more or Foster will nab more of his minutes. Love Vest but he has been non-existent. McDay makes plays all over. Takes charges, dives...hes an all around great player.

I know I will get lambasted by some on here but I think we missed McMurray the last 2 games. I really think his energy is something we need at least 5 to 10 minutes per game.
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LuckySparrow
1/8/2020 8:47 AM
Good turnaround after a rough start with many turnovers.

Dartis was the key, as he often is for home games. Thought McDay and Foster looked solid. Foster's points were found money. Would love to see him continue to develop down there in the post.

Thought Preston could have been more assertive. I love his passing ability but would have loved to see him get some more scoring opportunities especially in the first half.

Murrell off the bench with 8 rebounds was nice to see. The scoring will come. He was 1-5 from the field. I know he can score, we saw some of it last year.

But let's be honest, Dartis won us that game last night! BANG JORDY FOR 3!!!!
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Ted Thompson
1/8/2020 8:55 AM

 

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GoCats105
1/8/2020 9:11 AM
Really gonna miss watching Jordan Dartis splash threes in the Convo next year.

And that shot by McDay he hit near the end of the game was HUGE.
Last Edited: 1/8/2020 9:17:19 AM by GoCats105
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Andrew Ruck
1/8/2020 9:24 AM
Enjoyed from the front row of the student section last night for the winter break seat upgrade.

Before the final meaningless 2 free throws with just a few seconds left, we were 7 for 15 on free throws. That was painful. Would have been a comfortable win with them staying 10+ most all the game if it wasn't for that.

Where would we be without Dartis? Where would we have been last year with Dartis? Where will we be next year without Dartis? That last one scares me a bit if I am being honest...I don't really see any other sharpshooters on this roster. Hoping Roderick & the incoming Jalen White develop into it.

I am not convinced Ogbonda should be starting and logging 25-30 minutes at this point. I'm not one of those people who suggest you should bench seniors and build for the future, but it can be a tiebreaker. There is an upside to Foster/Murrell that there isn't with Ogbonda and if I am Boals, I think I start Foster until I see some results suggest otherwise.

Murrell is a fluid strong player, I would like to see more of him. Roderick had a rough run last night but I hope his playing time goes up not down. The ability is there, he just needs the experience. DNP for Springs, wondering if he is on the outside looking in now that we are healthy?

I think EMU plays good defense. Preston really struggled with his court vision and ball handling last night...Think they got to him early and he didn't seem to have the same confidence as usual. Took some good shots though.

After starting 6 of 8 from 3, BVP is 11 for 51 since. Fair to wonder if he should start taking less 3s? Love his defense and overall positioning and think he can score more in the paint and less on the perimeter.

I'm confident the underclassmen are getting good experience and improving and think we will better in March than we are now. But we are definitely relying on Dartis draining 3s right now.
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100%Cat
1/8/2020 9:38 AM
BVP's free throw shooting is what I'm concerned about. For a guy who is going to take contact and get fouled as much as he is, shooting 56% is just not good enough.
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Alan Swank
1/8/2020 9:51 AM
100%Cat wrote:expand_more
BVP's free throw shooting is what I'm concerned about. For a guy who is going to take contact and get fouled as much as he is, shooting 56% is just not good enough.
Too much movement in his free throw routine. Would like to see him come to more of a set position with elbows slightly widened.

Other than the obvious players, McDay and Murrell need to spend lots of time on the floor. The former is a "silent assassin" which comes from playing in a good program that expects excellence and playing against outstanding competition every night. The latter has a motor that won't stop. Talked with th kid once in Kroger. He's a very respectful young man and one I'm glad to see represent the Bobcats.

Preston has to learn to stay on his feet. He got lucky many times last night finding someone to throw the ball to. Unfortunatley many of those passes were desperation passes.
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GoCats105
1/8/2020 10:14 AM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
I am not convinced Ogbonda should be starting and logging 25-30 minutes at this point. I'm not one of those people who suggest you should bench seniors and build for the future, but it can be a tiebreaker. There is an upside to Foster/Murrell that there isn't with Ogbonda and if I am Boals, I think I start Foster until I see some results suggest otherwise.
I agree here. I think we know what we're getting out of him at this point. He's a big body who can gobble up some boards and score garbage/easy buckets when needed and is definitely stronger than Springs. I was hoping he might be a more high energy guy like Kevin Mickle was. He has value, but giving Foster more minutes to see what he's capable of is where I would lean also.
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100%Cat
1/8/2020 10:35 AM
As a side note, I'm not sure how players handle and deal with ref inconsistency. They seemed all over the board, both ways, last night. There were periods of heavy contact and players hitting the floor with no whistles...then periods of time hand checks 20' from the rim were being called. If it's consistent, swallowing whistles or calling it tight, I can see players adjusting. But last night, from my seat, they seemed to be all over the place with what was called and what wasn't.
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Buckeye to Bobcat
1/8/2020 10:51 AM
Sidenote: I thought Toledo was Bancroft High School.
Serious note: This team is going to continue to get better and better. Only question I have for them is when the size issue begin to show through after enough games in-league. Otherwise, guard play wins tournaments, and I think we got the legs in Cleveland to raise some havoc
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OU_Country
1/8/2020 11:01 AM
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:expand_more
Sidenote: I thought Toledo was Bancroft High School.
Serious note: This team is going to continue to get better and better. Only question I have for them is when the size issue begin to show through after enough games in-league. Otherwise, guard play wins tournaments, and I think we got the legs in Cleveland to raise some havoc
We've been saying that for years, haven't we? Guards/Wings are what wins in March (and late Feb when the going gets tough for seeding).

Assuming Roderick and Murrell get themselves into game form over the next few weeks, Ohio has a lot of guard/wing weapons to contend with when things are going well. And for me, there are enough big bodies to get the dirty work done. Cleaning up late game FT shooting would go a long ways as well.

I disagree with the "unathletic" thoughts others may have, and instead think there are enough pieces here, assuming all remain healthy, for good things to come together as the season progresses. I'm enjoying watching with optimism, and without expectation.
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Ohio69
1/8/2020 12:02 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Other than the obvious players, McDay and Murrell need to spend lots of time on the floor. The former is a "silent assassin" which comes from playing in a good program that expects excellence and playing against outstanding competition every night.
So right on McDay. Such a smart player. No hesitation in his game. Just stepped right into college ball and is unfazed by it. Feel like we are under-rating him right now. Foster also seems confident and comfortable and ready to play with anyone.

Boals had them coached up for that zone. Good stuff last night.

So fun watching Dartis as the old grizzled veteran who can't move around as much, maybe looks a bit bigger than in the past, and just still can get open, nail shots, and carry the team.
Last Edited: 1/8/2020 12:02:57 PM by Ohio69
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OUVan
1/8/2020 1:04 PM
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Right, so "over the back" shouldn't come out of a ref's mouth to describe a foul, it should have been "push" with two hands up moving forward?
What difference does it make? There are a thousand terms in basketball that aren't in the rulebook. People may roll their eyes when someone says it but you know exactly what they are talking about.
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Alan Swank
1/8/2020 1:11 PM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
Right, so "over the back" shouldn't come out of a ref's mouth to describe a foul, it should have been "push" with two hands up moving forward?
What difference does it make? There are a thousand terms in basketball that aren't in the rulebook. People may roll their eyes when someone says it but you know exactly what they are talking about.
Disagree. Many of the people yelling over the back think it's illegal to do that and have no idea what the rule is. You have to make contact to be called for a foul.
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OU_Country
1/8/2020 1:45 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Right, so "over the back" shouldn't come out of a ref's mouth to describe a foul, it should have been "push" with two hands up moving forward?
What difference does it make? There are a thousand terms in basketball that aren't in the rulebook. People may roll their eyes when someone says it but you know exactly what they are talking about.
Disagree. Many of the people yelling over the back think it's illegal to do that and have no idea what the rule is. You have to make contact to be called for a foul.
Disagree slightly - you're *supposed* to have made contact to be called for a foul. Sometimes the stripes lacking vision makes seeing that contact be difficult for them. ;)
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Alan Swank
1/8/2020 2:08 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Right, so "over the back" shouldn't come out of a ref's mouth to describe a foul, it should have been "push" with two hands up moving forward?
What difference does it make? There are a thousand terms in basketball that aren't in the rulebook. People may roll their eyes when someone says it but you know exactly what they are talking about.
Disagree. Many of the people yelling over the back think it's illegal to do that and have no idea what the rule is. You have to make contact to be called for a foul.
Disagree slightly - you're *supposed* to have made contact to be called for a foul. Sometimes the stripes lacking vision makes seeing that contact be difficult for them. ;)
I'll take it a step further. Growing up in and playing in Akron, you rarely if ever heard people yelling over the back. When we moved to Athens in 1979, I heard it all the time at high school games and from that group of older men in section 102.

We had a guard at East who was a master of reaching around a player and stealing the ball. SBH remembers him - Roosevelt Rushin. When we played teams outside of Akron, the fans and refs used to go nuts when he did.
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GoCats105
1/8/2020 2:12 PM
Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
Other than the obvious players, McDay and Murrell need to spend lots of time on the floor. The former is a "silent assassin" which comes from playing in a good program that expects excellence and playing against outstanding competition every night.
So right on McDay. Such a smart player. No hesitation in his game. Just stepped right into college ball and is unfazed by it. Feel like we are under-rating him right now. Foster also seems confident and comfortable and ready to play with anyone.

Boals had them coached up for that zone. Good stuff last night.

So fun watching Dartis as the old grizzled veteran who can't move around as much, maybe looks a bit bigger than in the past, and just still can get open, nail shots, and carry the team.
I'm trying to find a recent comparison to McDay without doing a disservice to either player but the first two guys that come to mind are Whitney Davis and Mychal Green. More polished than Whit was in his freshman year, but has the big shot confidence of Agent 00.
Last Edited: 1/8/2020 2:12:32 PM by GoCats105
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OhioCatFan
1/8/2020 2:15 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
I'm trying to find a recent comparison to McDay without doing a disservice to either player but the first two guys that come to mind are Whitney Davis and Mychal Green. More polished than Whit was in his freshman year, but has the big shot confidence of Agent 00.
How about Stevie Taylor?
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Alan Swank
1/8/2020 2:58 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
I'm trying to find a recent comparison to McDay without doing a disservice to either player but the first two guys that come to mind are Whitney Davis and Mychal Green. More polished than Whit was in his freshman year, but has the big shot confidence of Agent 00.
How about Stevie Taylor?
No comparison. Perhaps Jaivon Harris and Michael Allen. Stevie, while a good player, was a bit of a showboat. None of the folks mentioned including McDay fall in that category.
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OhioCatFan
1/8/2020 3:25 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
I'm trying to find a recent comparison to McDay without doing a disservice to either player but the first two guys that come to mind are Whitney Davis and Mychal Green. More polished than Whit was in his freshman year, but has the big shot confidence of Agent 00.
How about Stevie Taylor?
No comparison. Perhaps Jaivon Harris and Michael Allen. Stevie, while a good player, was a bit of a showboat. None of the folks mentioned including McDay fall in that category.
Wasn't thinking about the showboat aspect, but more the intensity with which he plays.
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The Better Ohio Bobcat
1/8/2020 3:39 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
I'm trying to find a recent comparison to McDay without doing a disservice to either player but the first two guys that come to mind are Whitney Davis and Mychal Green. More polished than Whit was in his freshman year, but has the big shot confidence of Agent 00.
How about Walter Offutt? They both do the little things and play hard.
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GoCats105
1/8/2020 3:42 PM
The Ohio University wrote:expand_more
I'm trying to find a recent comparison to McDay without doing a disservice to either player but the first two guys that come to mind are Whitney Davis and Mychal Green. More polished than Whit was in his freshman year, but has the big shot confidence of Agent 00.
How about Walter Offutt? They both do the little things and play hard.
That's also a good one.
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Ohio69
1/8/2020 3:51 PM
Regarding McDay I really like the Offut and Green comparisons. Those guys were not true freshman when they arrived though.
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MonroeClassmate
1/8/2020 9:28 PM
GroverBall wrote:expand_more
Right, so "over the back" shouldn't come out of a ref's mouth to describe a foul, it should have been "push" with two hands up moving forward?

Well, how is it a push if the dude comes crashing down on top of the guy? Say he grabbed the rebound and his waist lands on top of the defenders head? Was that a push?

Who gives a wit what the foul is called? It's a foul. Is it a free throw or a foul shot? Is it traveling or walking? Is it an assist or a dime? Didn't Shakespeare have a saying for this situation?
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