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OUcats82
3/15/2021 12:13 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Boals was on 92.3 The Fan this morning and had an interesting tidbit.

Ben (Bennett) Vander Plas was named after Tony Bennett. Ben's dad and Tony were teammates at Wisconsin-Green Bay.
That's a really cool story-I wonder the last time BVP would have been around Tony, if ever?

Hope CBS shares some more info on that as a side story.
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Bobcat110
3/15/2021 12:18 PM
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It also should be noted that Bennett said that one player will not be available for the first two rounds. No idea who it is and probably won't know until game time.
Whoever it is, it will be an impact and they may be lucky if no one else comes down wit covid.

“ given sources have told CBS Sports’ Matt Norlander that the UVA player is one that played against Syracuse on Thursday, that player is pretty important and the entire team mobbed each other at the end of the game.”

https://www.streakingthelawn.com/2021/3/12/22327644/uva-r...
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Pataskala
3/15/2021 12:25 PM
In another thread I posted this from CBS that indicates all second round games are in Indy: https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/2021-nc... /

Clark Kellogg gave us a shout-out at the end of the CBS selection show last night. He noted that Nick was on the 2012 Sweet Sixteen team that also was a 13 seed. Good omen.

I'm not sure UVA not being able to practice is such a big issue. This time of year practice is mainly to stay loose and maybe work on one or two things. Film sessions can be done by Zoom or Microsoft Teams and that's where the real game prep is. Their coaches might be able to work on execution in one-on-ones with non-quarantined players.

Does anybody know whether the NCAA is using contact tracing to make a player ineligible for the tourney? I've heard them mention positive tests but not contact tracing. It seems like most of the players who had covid issues this season were victims of contact tracing and not their own positive test.

Our bigs will really need to step up Saturday. Huff (7-1) will be a load. He's averaging 13 pts and 7 rebs a game and can be really disruptive in the paint. But he can get into foul trouble -- he's averaging about 27 minutes and almost three fouls a game. How we handle him will likely be the key to the game. If Wilson gets into foul trouble early it could be a long evening.
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ReasFordHoo
3/15/2021 12:27 PM
Virginia fan here. Really looking forward to what should be an exceptional matchup. Obviously wish we weren't dealing with Covid at this time of year, but as you all know too well, pretty much everyone has at this point.

A few notes about our team:

-Hauser is a star. He had a decent case for ACC POY. He's one of the better pure shooters in Tony's tenure, and that's saying something. Mid range game and 3 point shots galore. If he's open, it's probably going in.
-Huff is one of the most unique players in the country. 7'1, can jump, willing and able to shoot from deep. He's also blocks everything around the rim.
-Murphy is probably the best pro prospect on the team. He's 6'9, long, super athletic, and a great 3 point shooter.
-Clark is the most polarizing player for our fanbase. He's extremely streaky - struggles with turnovers and finishing around the rim at times. Generally, as he goes, so does the team. The ball will be in his hands a lot late in the shot clock.
-Beekman is a freshman PG who has slid off ball much of the year. Long, slight, with an extremely quick first step. He's become UVA's best perimeter defender and surely will be matched up with Preston. Not a good shooter, but knocked down the game winner at the buzzer versus Cuse. Held Carlik Jones in check about a week ago in our game at Louisville.

The bench:
-This is likely where the Covid case came from as Boeheim made a comment about the impacted player only getting spot minutes.
-McKoy is our energy four man. The team struggles with energy at times and McKoy's increased playing time as of late has been a welcome addition. He's your typical garbage guy who I can see guarding Vander Plas if Hauser or Murphy struggles.
-Woldetensae is a sharp shooter off the bench. Almost all his points come from behind the arc. He'll be the first guard off the bench.
-Morsell is a defensive oriented guard who has really struggled offensively. Would likely get a few minutes on Preston.

This is one of the best shooting team's of Tony's tenure, but one of the weaker ones defensively. Some of the glaring weaknesses of this team are an inability to create off the dribble, an athletic four that can hedge and defend the interior, and the intangibles and toughness that we've seen from most of Tony's team. Virginia fans expect a hard fought game, there's no doubt about it. Teams that typically give Virginia trouble are those that can shoot it from deep (OU? Check) and those that can switch screens 1-5 and will out athlete/physical us. I don't see that as an issue, so will likely come down to your ability to hit from deep and hope Virginia is a step slow and off offensively, which is very much a possibility given the pause.
Last Edited: 3/15/2021 12:30:46 PM by ReasFordHoo
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The Optimist
3/15/2021 12:30 PM
What’s a Hoya —> what’s a hoo?
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cbus cat fan
3/15/2021 12:42 PM
ReasFordHoo, I was under the impression that you have a pretty stout defense. You don't think it is as good as it was in the past?
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OUVan
3/15/2021 12:47 PM
ReasFordHoo wrote:expand_more
Virginia fan here. Really looking forward to what should be an exceptional matchup. Obviously wish we weren't dealing with Covid at this time of year, but as you all know too well, pretty much everyone has at this point.

A few notes about our team:

-Hauser is a star. He had a decent case for ACC POY. He's one of the better pure shooters in Tony's tenure, and that's saying something. Mid range game and 3 point shots galore. If he's open, it's probably going in.
-Huff is one of the most unique players in the country. 7'1, can jump, willing and able to shoot from deep. He's also blocks everything around the rim.
-Murphy is probably the best pro prospect on the team. He's 6'9, long, super athletic, and a great 3 point shooter.
-Clark is the most polarizing player for our fanbase. He's extremely streaky - struggles with turnovers and finishing around the rim at times. Generally, as he goes, so does the team. The ball will be in his hands a lot late in the shot clock.
-Beekman is a freshman PG who has slid off ball much of the year. Long, slight, with an extremely quick first step. He's become UVA's best perimeter defender and surely will be matched up with Preston. Not a good shooter, but knocked down the game winner at the buzzer versus Cuse. Held Carlik Jones in check about a week ago in our game at Louisville.

The bench:
-This is likely where the Covid case came from as Boeheim made a comment about the impacted player only getting spot minutes.
-McKoy is our energy four man. The team struggles with energy at times and McKoy's increased playing time as of late has been a welcome addition. He's your typical garbage guy who I can see guarding Vander Plas if Hauser or Murphy struggles.
-Woldetensae is a sharp shooter off the bench. Almost all his points come from behind the arc. He'll be the first guard off the bench.
-Morsell is a defensive oriented guard who has really struggled offensively. Would likely get a few minutes on Preston.

This is one of the best shooting team's of Tony's tenure, but one of the weaker ones defensively. Some of the glaring weaknesses of this team are an inability to create off the dribble, an athletic four that can hedge and defend the interior, and the intangibles and toughness that we've seen from most of Tony's team. Virginia fans expect a hard fought game, there's no doubt about it. Teams that typically give Virginia trouble are those that can shoot it from deep (OU? Check) and those that can switch screens 1-5 and will out athlete/physical us. I don't see that as an issue, so will likely come down to your ability to hit from deep and hope Virginia is a step slow and off offensively, which is very much a possibility given the pause.
Appreciate the info. Hauser is a difference maker on the offensive end as is Huff on both ends.
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ReasFordHoo
3/15/2021 12:48 PM
Our defense is still one of the better ones in the country, just not the best in the country. It's a high bar in Charlottesville. Losing Diakite and Key from last year were two massive departures on the defensive end of the court.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
3/15/2021 12:49 PM
To me, the key for OU is going to be how players who are not named Jason Preston, Ben Vander Plas, and Dwight Wilson play.

Compared to previous OU tourney teams, our role players don't seem to have stepped up quite as well. We always had players like Tommy Freeman, Nick Kellogg, Reggie Keeley, Devaughn Washington, who could punish you if you focused too much effort on stopping the first/second option on a given action.

We've seen some of that out of Roderick and McDay, but it's felt inconsistent to me. Roderick's the guy, in my mind, who has to be a reliable third perimeter scoring option. If he plays like he did against Buffalo, we're going to be really tough to beat.
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OUVan
3/15/2021 12:52 PM
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ReasFordHoo, I was under the impression that you have a pretty stout defense. You don't think it is as good as it was in the past?
They aren't as good as they were the last few years but that doesn't mean they aren't still really good on the defensive end. Defense is a lot like offensive line play. With almost no preseason practices it was tough to get that coordination necessary. All you have to do is look at the difference between our defense in December and the defense in February and March.
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Bobcat110
3/15/2021 12:52 PM
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Does anybody know whether the NCAA is using contact tracing to make a player ineligible for the tourney? I've heard them mention positive tests but not contact tracing. It seems like most of the players who had covid issues this season were victims of contact tracing
They are doing contact tracing. It doesn’t say if it makes a player automatically ineligible or if it just puts player in a closer monitoring situation.

“Once players on the team and the school's travel party have been cleared, members of the travel party will be tested again, put in quarantine until producing a negative result and will take daily PCR tests for the duration of the tournament.

Players will wear a SafeTag device that can be worn in their pockets, bracelet or lanyard to assist in contact tracing issues. “

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/college/2021...
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ExCat21
3/15/2021 12:54 PM
The ability of OUr 4 to 5 guys that can score double digits versus VIRGINIA'S one or two guys that can score double digits nightly puts us in an advantage.

Hit our shots and the big guy can't rebound. We move on...
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ReasFordHoo
3/15/2021 12:56 PM
Virginia has four guys that score in double figures somewhat consistently. Hauser, Huff, Murphy, Clark. There’s plenty of balance offensively...
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giacomo
3/15/2021 12:59 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Boals was on 92.3 The Fan this morning and had an interesting tidbit.

Ben (Bennett) Vander Plas was named after Tony Bennett. Ben's dad and Tony were teammates at Wisconsin-Green Bay.
And he also left his heart in San Francisco.
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OUVan
3/15/2021 1:23 PM
ExCat21 wrote:expand_more
The ability of OUr 4 to 5 guys that can score double digits versus VIRGINIA'S one or two guys that can score double digits nightly puts us in an advantage.

Hit our shots and the big guy can't rebound. We move on...
They aren't much different than us. They move the ball very well. They play at a very deliberate pace so their numbers are depressed. Their patience on offense worries me. We frustrated Buffalo and Kent into rushed possessions but going to be much less likely to happen against Virginia.
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GoCats105
3/15/2021 1:35 PM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
The ability of OUr 4 to 5 guys that can score double digits versus VIRGINIA'S one or two guys that can score double digits nightly puts us in an advantage.

Hit our shots and the big guy can't rebound. We move on...
They aren't much different than us. They move the ball very well. They play at a very deliberate pace so their numbers are depressed. Their patience on offense worries me. We frustrated Buffalo and Kent into rushed possessions but going to be much less likely to happen against Virginia.
Guys on radio today said they play almost like a Bo Ryan Wisconsin style of offense. If that's the case maybe some of our guys will be used to it.
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ReasFordHoo
3/15/2021 1:38 PM
Virginia plays mostly blocker mover with some five out and triangle concepts sprinkled in. And yes, that’s the Dick Bennett influence.
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Tom Valentino
3/15/2021 2:02 PM
Edit: Nevermind
Last Edited: 3/15/2021 2:03:04 PM by Tom Valentino
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The Optimist
3/15/2021 2:24 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
To me, the key for OU is going to be how players who are not named Jason Preston, Ben Vander Plas, and Dwight Wilson play.

Compared to previous OU tourney teams, our role players don't seem to have stepped up quite as well. We always had players like Tommy Freeman, Nick Kellogg, Reggie Keeley, Devaughn Washington, who could punish you if you focused too much effort on stopping the first/second option on a given action.

We've seen some of that out of Roderick and McDay, but it's felt inconsistent to me. Roderick's the guy, in my mind, who has to be a reliable third perimeter scoring option. If he plays like he did against Buffalo, we're going to be really tough to beat.
Roderick hitting from deep would be huge against Virginia. Going with your analogy to the past tournament team, I think Sears playing well during his time on the court will be big. Stevie Taylor gave us some big minutes in the tournament in 2012 and that was huge for Ohio in those games.

Now if Good Ivo shows up, we'll really be in business.
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JSF
3/15/2021 2:32 PM
cbus cat fan wrote:expand_more
ReasFordHoo, I was under the impression that you have a pretty stout defense. You don't think it is as good as it was in the past?
UVA is 33rd in defensive effiency, which is poor by their standards.
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Jeff McKinney
3/15/2021 6:06 PM
ReasFordHoo wrote:expand_more
Virginia plays mostly blocker mover with some five out and triangle concepts sprinkled in. And yes, that’s the Dick Bennett influence.

Thanks for coming on here. Really appreciate the info!
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MountieHoo
3/15/2021 7:30 PM
Hello, Wahoo fan here.
You'll find our most trafficked message board Virginia.sportswar.com (historically known as TheSabre) is actually really worried about your team.
There are few voices on there trying to calm the rest of the worriers. However, when you sign on to become a Wahoo fan you become a compulsive worrier (that's what happens when you're in a conference historically with UNC and Duke).

As for "what is a Wahoo?"
You're going to get different answers whether you're asking a casual fan or a history buff.
Either a fish that can drink an inordinate amount or a derivation off of a Native American chant we got from Dartmouth or in the late 1800's Washington & Lee baseball fans (our primary rivals at the time) derogatorily called UVA fans a bunch of uncivilized Wahoos and it stuck.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahoos
Last Edited: 3/15/2021 7:30:24 PM by MountieHoo
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bornacatfan
3/15/2021 7:50 PM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
Does anybody know whether the NCAA is using contact tracing to make a player ineligible for the tourney? I've heard them mention positive tests but not contact tracing. It seems like most of the players who had covid issues this season were victims of contact tracing and not their own positive test.
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They are using it for refs. Breaking, just saw 6 officials sent home after having dinner and tracing used. Some of my favorites including Higgins.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/2021-nc... /
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Pataskala
3/15/2021 8:24 PM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
Does anybody know whether the NCAA is using contact tracing to make a player ineligible for the tourney? I've heard them mention positive tests but not contact tracing. It seems like most of the players who had covid issues this season were victims of contact tracing and not their own positive test.
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They are using it for refs. Breaking, just saw 6 officials sent home after having dinner and tracing used. Some of my favorites including Higgins.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/2021-nc... /
Thanks for the info, Borna. It's surprising that someone from the NCAA wasn't there to do a quick test on them before letting them chow down together.
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bornacatfan
3/15/2021 9:00 PM
I put it in another thread but Ch 8 news just offered this up on contact tracing.

https://www.wishtv.com/news/coronavirus/march-madness-par... /

"participants" is pretty broad
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