Groce made 1.7 million per year at Illinois and Christian made north of a million at BC. Kent's really the only place Christian has succeeded on his own. He followed Kent's Elite 8 team with six years of 20+ wins, four regular season MAC titles, two MCAA appearances and three NIT appearances. At least the last four or five years were mostly with his recruits. He then went to a downtrodden TCU program and continued its losing ways with one winning overall season in four and an 18-44 MWC record. His two good seasons at Ohio were with Groce's players. At BC he was way out of his league with a 26-94 ACC record and just one winning overall season.

How about the performance in the NIT against Denver? Talk about a collapse.

Forgot that Walt did not attempt a single shot???????

Denver trailed by as many as seven points in the second half, but staged a rally to knock off the Bobcats 61-57 in a first-round game in the National Invitational Tournament on Tuesday night inside Magness Arena. The loss ended Ohio’s season at 24-10. With the win, the Pioneers (22-9) advance to a second-round NIT matchup at No. 2 seed Maryland.

Ohio, the sixth-seed in the Alabama regional of the NIT bracket, led 42-35 in the second half after a D.J. Cooper 3-pointer but couldn’t hold on. The Bobcats fell to 7-7 on the road for the season, including an 0-6 mark on the road against non-conference competition.

Cooper finished with 16 points, four assists, and two rebounds in the final game of his collegiate career. The MAC Player of the Year ends his career as Ohio’s all-time leader in assists, steals, games played and started, and made 3-pointers. Cooper finishes his career as No. 12 all-time in NCAA history in career assists and No. 19 in career steals.

Cooper, Ohio’s fourth all-time leading scorer, remains the only player in Division I history to amass 2,000 points, 900 assists, 600 rebounds and 300 steals.

Senior forward Reggie Keely added 12 points for Ohio, which shot 41.5 percent overall and hit 6 of 12 from 3-point range. Senior forward Ivo Baltic ended his career with a two-point, 15-rebound performance. Senior guard Walter Offutt did not attempt a single shot and finished with three rebounds and one assist.

Get those words out of your mouth (or keyboard). Blasphemy I say. Keep him out of Dayton thanks.

I forgot about Walt in the Denver game. What the absolutely "you know what????" Disgusting is the least of what I can say. And no one is even mentioning his abhorrent time at TCU where Jamie Dixon elevated it upon his dismissal.

+1 nailed it!

JC is one of the most overrated college basketball coaches of all-time.

This would be an interesting off-season topic for basketball and football.

Groce had just over a year left on his contract when Illinois canned him. He was owed $1.7 million total for that period, minus what he got from Akron during that time, which apparently was about $650,000. So he wound up getting about $1 million total from Illinois. That ended last year when his old Illinois contract would have expired. https://www.news-gazette.com/news/groce-s-akron-job-will-...

The article you sent said Groce had the UI arrangement for two years with 800k additional income to the 350k. I'm going to give JC 1.3 per year at BC since some of the compensation records have him at 1.5 toward the end of his tenure.

Groce:
5 years at 1.7 million @UI
2 years at 1.15 million @UA
2 years at 650k @UA
Total 12.1 million

Christian:
2 years at 425k @OU
7 years at 1.3 million @BC
Total 9.95 million

Its fairly close earnings for JG & JC in the 9 seasons since Ohio went to the sweet 16.

Ha.

Ask yourself this....is Illinois better off now after pulling the plug on Groce sooner than BC pulled the plug on Christian? I'm not envious of JC because he lasted 7 years at BC. I actually give Jimmy C a ton of credit. It takes true talent to last that long at a power five school and have one of the worst winning % in NCAA basketball history over that time.

I've gone through this entire thread and it looks like at least 90% of the people here agree that JC is a fraud and overrated.

In fact, if the Bobcats were led by John Groce, they likely would defeat Jordan and the Bulls...provided the game were played in the month of March.

As Mid70sBobcat mentioned, Groce did not have a great MAC record while at Ohio. His Bobcat teams never finished higher than third in the East. Last year at Akron his Zips team won the regular season championship. Once again, JG has his team in position to win another regular season title in 2021. Groce will be remembered at Ohio for getting his teams to peak in March. March Madness is fantastic, but it lessens the importance of the regular season.