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Posted: 1/13/2026 10:18 PM
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OCF, I agree with you! That guy was even on the front cover of sports illustrated. Go Walter Lucket from Connecticut!
Sheldon back to his own self. Falling down on a shot… I never saw that out of Walter
Those were the days .... playing OSU, Indiana, Wisconsin, Purdue, Northwestern and so on ... and winning many of them. Not to mention the west coast swing of UCLA, Southern Cal and Utah and then coming back home to beat the Buckeyes in the Convo.
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Posted: 1/13/2026 10:21 PM
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OCF, I agree with you! That guy was even on the front cover of sports illustrated. Go Walter Lucket from Connecticut!
And, Larry Slappy and Ulice Payne weren't chopped liver, either. They did have ratings back then, though not as institutionalized as today. They were both top 25 recruits.
Ulice was in one of my classes when he was a freshman. Unfortunate that he transferred to play for Al McGuire at Marquette but his accomplishments in life are quite awesome. I think Slappy left to play at Richmond. The Bandy years!!
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Posted: 1/14/2026 7:39 AM
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Is Parks really that bad? When he was in the portal, people here acted like the guy was a total scrub. That he wasn't good enough to play for us. As if we are the John Wooden era UCLA.

The guy hasn't missed from the field or the free throw line. 13 points in 18 minutes. 5-5 and 3-3. Sometimes I wonder why some of the people on here think our program is on par with UConn and Duke re: players who are "not good enough."

As compared to Jalen Breath's 4ppg average.**

People did back-flips and somersaults over his signing after scoffing at Parks.

You know, the guy shooting 43% at the FT line.
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Posted: 1/14/2026 8:07 AM
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Is Parks really that bad? When he was in the portal, people here acted like the guy was a total scrub. That he wasn't good enough to play for us. As if we are the John Wooden era UCLA.

The guy hasn't missed from the field or the free throw line. 13 points in 18 minutes. 5-5 and 3-3. Sometimes I wonder why some of the people on here think our program is on par with UConn and Duke re: players who are "not good enough."

As compared to Jalen Breath's 4ppg average.**

People did back-flips and somersaults over his signing after scoffing at Parks.

You know, the guy shooting 43% at the FT line.
If you want to call someone out, use their name. Works better and makes you seem like way less of a weenie.

Also, please don't turn this into another version of your "athletes are for track teams" thing where 8 years later you're still passive aggressively having a conversation that everybody else has long since forgotten.
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Posted: 1/14/2026 8:08 AM
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Our defense is certainly lacking, but props to Toledo for not missing for 20 minutes straight.
Toledo may be a tough out for Zips and Miami late in the season. They remind me of Bassett and Cooper finally hitting stride late in the MAC. Watch out for the Rockets.

We played them even for a half and then couldn't keep up with them. On another night they may have missed two or three and we may have made two or three and the contest at the end would have been much closer.

As for recruiting it takes a special kind of intercity player to want to give up the action for Athens. We have had several but not many that wear the green and white taking the four year vacation from Detroit, Chicago, Columbus, Cincinnati, Indianapolis, or Bridgeport, CT.
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Posted: 1/14/2026 8:21 AM
This repeated dominance of us by Toledo is getting old. We certainly did not have a good defensive day but jeez Toledo. I am not sure anyone in the MAC loses to them last night. Just need to survive the scary road game Friday and NIU Tuesday and head into the Akron game 6-2.
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Posted: 1/14/2026 8:32 AM
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Is Parks really that bad? When he was in the portal, people here acted like the guy was a total scrub. That he wasn't good enough to play for us. As if we are the John Wooden era UCLA.

The guy hasn't missed from the field or the free throw line. 13 points in 18 minutes. 5-5 and 3-3. Sometimes I wonder why some of the people on here think our program is on par with UConn and Duke re: players who are "not good enough."

As compared to Jalen Breath's 4ppg average.**

People did back-flips and somersaults over his signing after scoffing at Parks.

You know, the guy shooting 43% at the FT line.
If you want to call someone out, use their name. Works better and makes you seem like way less of a weenie.

Also, please don't turn this into another version of your "athletes are for track teams" thing where 8 years later you're still passive aggressively having a conversation that everybody else has long since forgotten.
Are you a mod now? If not, eff off. You can't dictate what people post.
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Posted: 1/14/2026 8:37 AM
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Is Parks really that bad? When he was in the portal, people here acted like the guy was a total scrub. That he wasn't good enough to play for us. As if we are the John Wooden era UCLA.

The guy hasn't missed from the field or the free throw line. 13 points in 18 minutes. 5-5 and 3-3. Sometimes I wonder why some of the people on here think our program is on par with UConn and Duke re: players who are "not good enough."

As compared to Jalen Breath's 4ppg average.**

People did back-flips and somersaults over his signing after scoffing at Parks.

You know, the guy shooting 43% at the FT line.
If you want to call someone out, use their name. Works better and makes you seem like way less of a weenie.

Also, please don't turn this into another version of your "athletes are for track teams" thing where 8 years later you're still passive aggressively having a conversation that everybody else has long since forgotten.
Are you a mod now? If not, eff off. You can't dictate what people post.
You have every right to have weird passive aggressive conversations with yourself.

Just seemed like you were pretty desperate to have a conversation about Austin Parks. Thought another person might help. My bad.
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Posted: 1/14/2026 9:16 AM
How many of us were certain we'd crap the bed in the second half last night? At halftime my spouse commented on how well we were playing. I assured her we'd lose by at least a dozen.

The headline of a story in The Plain Dealer today: "The Curse of Pretty Good." That's what we're experiencing. Hate to say it, but Jeff Boals will never get us over the top in today's CBB environment. Partly because he only recruits "good character" guys, partly because he can only point to a meh resume since coming to Athens. The parents of truly high-caliber recruits are looking for more than we can offer.
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Posted: 1/14/2026 9:17 AM
Holy Santa Claus Shit.

I had to turn it off at half... and it looks like it's a good thing I did.

Anyone have the 1st v 2nd half shooting percentages?

They couldn't miss in the 1st half... then couldn't close it out letting Toledo back into it, but they were still dropping em in from everywhere for the most part.


We gotta get the ball out of greenlight Sheldon's hands. Ooof. His defense is nowhere near good enough to overcome his lack of offensive ability. Guy has all the confidence of Kobe and the shooting ability of his mother.

I can't watch Sheldon be one of the leaders in shots every single night. Burris averaging 5 points in 11 minutes. Sheldon is averaging 7 in THIRTY. JJ has 20 more made shots in 100 less minutes. Read that again. JJ Kelly has made TWENTY more shots than greenlight Sheldon... in ONE HUNDRED less minutes.

I know it's too much to ask at this point, but the lack of bench production is frightening. The lack of any defensive ability is frightening. The lack of desire to rebound is frightening.

I know I sound like an Evans relative, but good lord - can we not just say - stand there with your hands up in the air. Get some boards. Parks was reaching over Hadaway like he wasn't even there. Quite literally we need nothing else from you. Just put your 6'10" arms into the air. You might accidentally disrupt some shots and grab a rebound or two.

I'm not a coach, what do I know, but a few mins here and there to make something happen just isn't enough for the bench guys to get comfortable. Also - we need Fisher. STAT. JJ needs to realize he's a good player and get involved. If he had 1/8th the confidence of Sheldon he'd be Freshman of the Year.

We're just in no mans land right now. We're 4-2 in the conference, but I don't think anyone would say this is a team that looks sound. Boals doesn't want to shake it up, cause they're still looking at a good seed, but this team just lacks in so many areas I don't know how we continue with the same and hope to break through.

*edit* Just saw SBH's post above mine, and yes - the curse of pretty good. No mans land. 4-2 in the conference. Not bad enough to actually make changes. Not good enough to win against top teams. So we sit in purgatory hoping things correct themselves.
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Posted: 1/14/2026 9:27 AM
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Partly because he only recruits "good character" guys
It's not really clear to me what this means. Are there coaches who think their teams are filled with low character guys? Are the players at Toledo, Akron, Miami, and Kent worse people than the guys on our roster?

This feels like a thing coaches say that isn't objective and is pretty meaningless. Especially in the age of the portal. Did Boals and crew get the opportunity to thoroughly vet the character of Jalen Breath, or did we need a big, make some calls, and make an offer?
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Posted: 1/14/2026 9:44 AM
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How many of us were certain we'd crap the bed in the second half last night? At halftime my spouse commented on how well we were playing. I assured her we'd lose by at least a dozen.

The headline of a story in The Plain Dealer today: "The Curse of Pretty Good." That's what we're experiencing. Hate to say it, but Jeff Boals will never get us over the top in today's CBB environment. Partly because he only recruits "good character" guys, partly because he can only point to a meh resume since coming to Athens. The parents of truly high-caliber recruits are looking for more than we can offer.
If MAC guys are any good, they leave for a bigger payday. Whether it be UT, UA or OU. "High-caliber" recruits don't venture into the MAC unless there's lots of baggage.
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Posted: 1/14/2026 9:53 AM
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Partly because he only recruits "good character" guys
Are there coaches who think their teams are filled with low character guys? Are the players at Toledo, Akron, Miami, and Kent worse people than the guys on our roster?

There are many, many coaches who will take a chance on 1 or 2 elite players who might not necessarily be easy to handle off the court. Boals proudly proclaims he will not take such risks.

Do you think Groce's 2009-10 team wins the MAC tournament and beats Georgetown in the NCAAs without Armon Bassett? Kent's roster has been replete with this type of kid since Senderoff took over.
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Posted: 1/14/2026 10:06 AM
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Partly because he only recruits "good character" guys
Are there coaches who think their teams are filled with low character guys? Are the players at Toledo, Akron, Miami, and Kent worse people than the guys on our roster?

There are many, many coaches who will take a chance on 1 or 2 elite players who might not necessarily be easy to handle off the court. Boals proudly proclaims he will not take such risks.

Do you think Groce's 2009-10 team wins the MAC tournament and beats Georgetown in the NCAAs without Armon Bassett? Kent's roster has been replete with this type of kid since Senderoff took over.
I just don't get how we decide whether a kid is good or bad. It's simple enough if they've already done something to get themselves into trouble. But otherwise, what are we doing, making kids accept promise rings?
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Posted: 1/14/2026 10:24 AM
Clearly a game of 2 halves, which I always find it difficult to understand.
Why do we always loose to Toledo?

Now we must right the ship on Friday @ Ball State to get back on track. They are last in the conference and haven't won a game. NO EXCUSES, JUST WIN BABY.




GO BOBCATS
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Posted: 1/14/2026 11:05 AM
Defense and bench = bad, that's all I have. We played our best half of basketball last night and still were down. There was a 0% chance we were going to replicate that performance in the second half.

These Reynoldsburg Boys better come in ready to defend next year, I won't hold my breath.
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Posted: 1/14/2026 11:52 AM
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How many of us were certain we'd crap the bed in the second half last night? At halftime my spouse commented on how well we were playing. I assured her we'd lose by at least a dozen.
Ohio was up 7 at the midway point of the first half, 32-25. After that, Toledo outscored them 76-53. As soon as they tied it up and then took the lead on the subsequent lazy inbounds at the end of the half, I knew it was over. They had their chance to step on their necks early in the first half when they were up 12 and they just...didn't.
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Posted: 1/14/2026 12:09 PM
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We gotta get the ball out of greenlight Sheldon's hands. Ooof. His defense is nowhere near good enough to overcome his lack of offensive ability. Guy has all the confidence of Kobe and the shooting ability of his mother.

I can't watch Sheldon be one of the leaders in shots every single night. Burris averaging 5 points in 11 minutes. Sheldon is averaging 7 in THIRTY. JJ has 20 more made shots in 100 less minutes. Read that again. JJ Kelly has made TWENTY more shots than greenlight Sheldon... in ONE HUNDRED less minutes.
It's really concerning that Sheldon has one of the lowest usage rates on the team, but he also has the highest turnover percentage of anyone on the team. How is that even possible? For a guy who touches the ball as much as he does and for as many minutes as he plays, that's a horrible trend.

His three point shooting is actually up compared to last year, which is great. Instead of making 1.5 per game and shooting 28%, he's now making about 2.5 per game and shooting 36%. Not really sure if this is more indicative of him shooting better or him just taking more shots, which is up about 50% more than last season. His 2pt shooting is a dreadful 38% though, by far the worst of his career.
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Posted: 1/14/2026 12:50 PM
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The headline of a story in The Plain Dealer today: "The Curse of Pretty Good." That's what we're experiencing. Hate to say it, but Jeff Boals will never get us over the top in today's CBB environment.

I'm not sure this a hate to say it, it's reality. We're in neutral with Boals as a program.

It's tough to be excited about idea of "being better next year" because being a better team has yet to come into fruition.

The situation becomes more challenging because he is an alum, he's obviously very passionate about OU, and he has yet to have a losing record even if he's falling behind his top counterparts.

I just can't put this on lack of NIL money (although it might act as a band-aid) or lack of a practice facility. I'm still unsure what Boals' brand of ball is or even what a Boals' player looks like. I'm not even sure he knows what he's looking for half the time. There's been so much inconsistency with his rosters from year-to-year and the types of players he's bringing in.

We're just a middle of pack MAC team until the university decides to move on from Boals. I know this might upset some, but I'm open to the counter points because I just don't see the light at the end of the tunnel with him.
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Posted: 1/14/2026 12:53 PM
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The headline of a story in The Plain Dealer today: "The Curse of Pretty Good." That's what we're experiencing. Hate to say it, but Jeff Boals will never get us over the top in today's CBB environment.

I'm not sure this a hate to say it, it's reality. We're in neutral with Boals as a program.

It's tough to be excited about idea of "being better next year" because being a better team has yet to come into fruition.

The situation becomes more challenging because he is an alum, he's obviously very passionate about OU, and he has yet to have a losing record even if he's falling behind his top counterparts.

I just can't put this on lack of NIL money (although it might act as a band-aid) or lack of a practice facility. I'm still unsure what Boals' brand of ball is or even what a Boals' player looks like. I'm not even sure he knows what he's looking for half the time. There's been so much inconsistency with his rosters from year-to-year and the types of players he's bringing in.

We're just a middle of pack MAC team until the university decides to move on from Boals. I know this might upset some, but I'm open to the counter points because I just don't see the light at the end of the tunnel with him.
Now that Lil Boals is retired, I could see Big Boals moving on when he graduates. Who knows if that will work out or not.
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Posted: 1/14/2026 2:58 PM
UNC_Wilmington is 16-2 and their coach is 39 years old with a winning % of 71%

He will get a power conference job before our next hire situation but that is an example of what is out there.

Memphis Grizzlies assistant coach Brian Collins is 41 years old and has coached both juco and mid-major ball. He may have only won half his games at TSU but that is a really tough situation. It's in a crappy dangerous part of a big city and overshadowed by a couple of very good D-1 programs there.

Options...they do exist.
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Posted: 1/14/2026 3:04 PM
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The headline of a story in The Plain Dealer today: "The Curse of Pretty Good." That's what we're experiencing. Hate to say it, but Jeff Boals will never get us over the top in today's CBB environment.

I'm not sure this a hate to say it, it's reality. We're in neutral with Boals as a program.

It's tough to be excited about idea of "being better next year" because being a better team has yet to come into fruition.

The situation becomes more challenging because he is an alum, he's obviously very passionate about OU, and he has yet to have a losing record even if he's falling behind his top counterparts.

I just can't put this on lack of NIL money (although it might act as a band-aid) or lack of a practice facility. I'm still unsure what Boals' brand of ball is or even what a Boals' player looks like. I'm not even sure he knows what he's looking for half the time. There's been so much inconsistency with his rosters from year-to-year and the types of players he's bringing in.

We're just a middle of pack MAC team until the university decides to move on from Boals. I know this might upset some, but I'm open to the counter points because I just don't see the light at the end of the tunnel with him.
He's, unfortunately, following in the footsteps of his coach. Boals hasn't had the 5-21 season that Larry did, but there's a lot of 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th place finishes in the conferences among the two. Also, new ADs like to make splash hires and find their own guys. I have no idea if Slade Larscheid is thinking these things, but it happens all too often in college athletics.

The inconsistency in style of play is a really big issue both functionally as a team and aesthetically pleasing as a fan. It was one thing to have Jason Preston, Mark Sears, Ben Vander Plas and others running a pick and roll or pick and pop game, but if you look at the numbers from the past several years what can you point to and say what Ohio does well? It's painfully obvious there is a shortcoming in athleticism. They can't stop the ball from getting into the paint. They don't rebound well.

People liked to bang on Saul Phillips for his lack of recruiting prowess, but at least his teams had some sort of a plan on offense. There was ball movement and passing. These Boals teams are so hard to watch. Last night they ran a double screen to get Sheldon a wide open three, which he made easily. That's honestly the first time I've seen a play like that all season. It's like they all stand around and wait for someone else to take control of the game, which for the most part has been Pav (great), Hadaway (meh) or Simmons (good). At the mid-major level it's hard to win games like that.
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. . . Last night they ran a double screen to get Sheldon a wide open three, which he made easily. That's honestly the first time I've seen a play like that all season. It's like they all stand around and wait for someone else to take control of the game . . . .
Yes, that's it in a nutshell. In other words, our offense is a rudderless ship. Sorry for the naval analogy, oldkatz.
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Posted: 1/14/2026 4:44 PM
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The headline of a story in The Plain Dealer today: "The Curse of Pretty Good." That's what we're experiencing. Hate to say it, but Jeff Boals will never get us over the top in today's CBB environment.

I'm not sure this a hate to say it, it's reality. We're in neutral with Boals as a program.

It's tough to be excited about idea of "being better next year" because being a better team has yet to come into fruition.

The situation becomes more challenging because he is an alum, he's obviously very passionate about OU, and he has yet to have a losing record even if he's falling behind his top counterparts.

I just can't put this on lack of NIL money (although it might act as a band-aid) or lack of a practice facility. I'm still unsure what Boals' brand of ball is or even what a Boals' player looks like. I'm not even sure he knows what he's looking for half the time. There's been so much inconsistency with his rosters from year-to-year and the types of players he's bringing in.

We're just a middle of pack MAC team until the university decides to move on from Boals. I know this might upset some, but I'm open to the counter points because I just don't see the light at the end of the tunnel with him.
I have no idea if Slade Larscheid is thinking these things, but it happens all too often in college athletics.
Yea, it sounds bad but Boals not being Larscheid's guy might be a saving grace for the program.
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It's tough to be excited about idea of "being better next year" because being a better team has yet to come into fruition.
With the obvious caveat that you never fully know with the portal. . .

It's also very hard to be optimistic about next year. We lose two of our top three guys in Pavs and Hadaway, and just don't have much production returning. Of the recruits from the last two years, only Kelly's proven he's likely to be a consistent contributor. Kuany and Burris have shown little bits here and there, but aren't in the rotation meaningfully. Elliott took a major step back. Evans and Fisher don't see minutes at all.

We're basically gonna return 15% of our production from a 500-ish team. Hard to envision how we're good next year without a major overhaul.
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