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greencat
11/7/2025 8:42 AM
LuckySparrow wrote:expand_more
When was the last time we only hit 1 3PT shot and won?
The emergence of Breath as an inside threat had everything to do with it.

I wasn't so sure about him vs Arky St. but now can see what Boals knew.

The FT bricks? Bricks are for Court Street, not for hoops. Need to fix it.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
11/7/2025 8:58 AM
Breath has been an awful free throw shooter in 2 of his 3 seasons. Last year, the numbers improved a ton. It sure would be nice if he's actually. 67% free throw shooter and not a 45% free throw shooter.
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Andrew Ruck
11/7/2025 9:02 AM
Really needed this one, ultimately can't be too upset about 1-1 vs these first two opponents...now we root for them each to win their conferences.

The Hadaway celebration Jam fail is cringey and hilarious all the same. On brand for sure. Oddly encouraging to beat a solid team despite zero 3 point shooting and terrible FT shooting.

We have seen coach Boals do A LOT of 1 for 1 philosophy with pairs of players over the years. Simmons & Breath are definitely 1 for 1. It seems Hadaway & Kuany are 1 for 1 as well. That's really good front court depth in the MAC, and the offense will definitely run thru the bigs more than ever in the Boals era. But this approach will result in underwhelming minutes for Breath & Kuany, so prepare yourselves.

Sheldon has been benched on paper this season 100 times on this board already. He is a good ball handler and defender. He isn't bad at having a knack for long range rebounds too. I'm as disappointed in his three point shooting as anyone, but the potential is there and the other components of his game are solid.

Getting guys minutes can be a frustrating zero sum game. I agree Breath, Kuany, Kelly & Conners are promising and encouraging. Burris had a couple rough plays last night but I still think he could be a hidden gem. We've got some really good depth which makes you feel good for replacing Pavs/Sheldon/Hadaway next year.
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FJC31
11/7/2025 9:10 AM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
We have seen coach Boals do A LOT of 1 for 1 philosophy with pairs of players over the years. Simmons & Breath are definitely 1 for 1. It seems Hadaway & Kuany are 1 for 1 as well. That's really good front court depth in the MAC, and the offense will definitely run thru the bigs more than ever in the Boals era. But this approach will result in underwhelming minutes for Breath & Kuany, so prepare yourselves.
This is something I hope he breaks this season. Breath had 14 points in 16 minutes, Kuany had 5 in 6 minutes. Each chipped in a blocked shot and 6 rebounds between them both.

I mean, I'll take that all out of our bench frontcourt in 22 total minutes. I just also think that warrants more PT.
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M.D.W.S.T
11/7/2025 9:47 AM
FJC31 wrote:expand_more
We have seen coach Boals do A LOT of 1 for 1 philosophy with pairs of players over the years. Simmons & Breath are definitely 1 for 1. It seems Hadaway & Kuany are 1 for 1 as well. That's really good front court depth in the MAC, and the offense will definitely run thru the bigs more than ever in the Boals era. But this approach will result in underwhelming minutes for Breath & Kuany, so prepare yourselves.
This is something I hope he breaks this season. Breath had 14 points in 16 minutes, Kuany had 5 in 6 minutes. Each chipped in a blocked shot and 6 rebounds between them both.

I mean, I'll take that all out of our bench frontcourt in 22 total minutes. I just also think that warrants more PT.
As Kuany gets more and more PT... we might really be cooking with gas.

Same with Dior getting used to running with a new team, JJ getting meaningful minutes.

I know people hate when I say this, but we've got a whole bunch of exhibition games to figure this bad boy out before MAC play and I still like what we have, if we can nail down a steady rotation I really like this team and the size. There is some true depth here that I hope we can cultivate.
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spongeBOB CATpants
11/7/2025 10:13 AM
M.D.W.S.T wrote:expand_more
Now that we’ve had 6 quarters to digest, how we feeling about the new floor?

I thought I would hate the dark / light changes within the 3 point area, but I think I kinda like it…? Or am indifferent cause it’s fine… I like the paw and the wood grain green. I would’ve just kept that.
It's growing on me, I'd like to see it in person before I make my final decision. I didn't like it at first but I think it looks off on TV because of the lighting. It looks almost white. I think I do like it better than the generic state outline.
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spongeBOB CATpants
11/7/2025 10:23 AM
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Are we gonna start running the offense through the bigs now???
Honestly this is probably our best shot at running an actual offense. I was thinking this during the ASU game as well. Hadaway and Simmons could be a real solid combo come MAC time.
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GoCats105
11/7/2025 10:36 AM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
Sheldon has been benched on paper this season 100 times on this board already. He is a good ball handler and defender. He isn't bad at having a knack for long range rebounds too. I'm as disappointed in his three point shooting as anyone, but the potential is there and the other components of his game are solid.
What you're describing is a guy who should be getting 15 minutes a game, not 30. He made an absolutely atrocious turnover last night on a lazy drive and lazy kick out to the top of the key, something I couldn't believe when he actually did it. Some people on here like to rip Pavs for getting into the lane and throwing up wild shots, did you see what Sheldon did last night?

If he can uptick his three point shooting, I'm fine giving him minutes because that's what he's out there for. And I could absolutely see subbing him in for defense, because Connors got torched and had terrible positioning multiple times last night. But I think he has a slight offensive advantage over Sheldon.

I liked the rotations last night, especially bringining in Kelly and Kuany as much as Boals did. But with E2 out and expected back at some point, someone's minutes have to come down. I don't think we can sacrifice the athleticism that E2, Kelly and Kuany bring just because Sheldon might get a couple steals.
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FJC31
11/7/2025 10:41 AM
M.D.W.S.T wrote:expand_more
We have seen coach Boals do A LOT of 1 for 1 philosophy with pairs of players over the years. Simmons & Breath are definitely 1 for 1. It seems Hadaway & Kuany are 1 for 1 as well. That's really good front court depth in the MAC, and the offense will definitely run thru the bigs more than ever in the Boals era. But this approach will result in underwhelming minutes for Breath & Kuany, so prepare yourselves.
This is something I hope he breaks this season. Breath had 14 points in 16 minutes, Kuany had 5 in 6 minutes. Each chipped in a blocked shot and 6 rebounds between them both.

I mean, I'll take that all out of our bench frontcourt in 22 total minutes. I just also think that warrants more PT.
I know people hate when I say this, but we've got a whole bunch of exhibition games to figure this bad boy out before MAC play and I still like what we have, if we can nail down a steady rotation I really like this team and the size. There is some true depth here that I hope we can cultivate.
Not at all, I've been a fan of this roster. I don't think Boals has had this type of size and athleticism ever. We'll take it on the chin against St. Mary's and Louisville these next two games, but I'm excited to see how this roster comes together. I'll bang the drum all season -- it comes down to how Boals manages it, but the talent is there to win a MAC tourney title.
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GoCats105
11/7/2025 10:42 AM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
JJ Kelly is in the rotation now. Invest.
I think his block in the 2nd half was the turning point of the game. Illinois State never really recovered after that.

Every time he was on the floor last night I watched him exclusively. He absolutely does not play like a freshman. He had a couple freshman mistakes here and there like the dribbling the ball off his foot turnover, but his defensive positioning is excellent, he knows how to close out on shooters and knows when/how to crash the glass on offense. Oh and he can move without the ball - that backdoor cut and reverse layup in the 2nd half was beautiful. And we haven't even seen the possible running the floor dunks I was expecting out of him. But his energy and athleticism is something this program definitely needed. The fact that he seems to have a good sense of the game flow is just a bonus.
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FJC31
11/7/2025 10:46 AM
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Sheldon has been benched on paper this season 100 times on this board already. He is a good ball handler and defender. He isn't bad at having a knack for long range rebounds too. I'm as disappointed in his three point shooting as anyone, but the potential is there and the other components of his game are solid.
What you're describing is a guy who should be getting 15 minutes a game, not 30. He made an absolutely atrocious turnover last night on a lazy drive and lazy kick out to the top of the key, something I couldn't believe when he actually did it. Some people on here like to rip Pavs for getting into the lane and throwing up wild shots, did you see what Sheldon did last night?

If he can uptick his three point shooting, I'm fine giving him minutes because that's what he's out there for. And I could absolutely see subbing him in for defense, because Connors got torched and had terrible positioning multiple times last night. But I think he has a slight offensive advantage over Sheldon.

I liked the rotations last night, especially bringining in Kelly and Kuany as much as Boals did. But with E2 out and expected back at some point, someone's minutes have to come down. I don't think we can sacrifice the athleticism that E2, Kelly and Kuany bring just because Sheldon might get a couple steals.
Agree with this. I said in the rotation thread without the 3 ball, Sheldon is just a high minute glue guy. You need glue guys, but not for 30+ minutes a game when there's other options that are bigger and more athletic.
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MonroeClassmate
11/7/2025 10:54 AM
LuckySparrow wrote:expand_more
When was the last time we only hit 1 3PT shot and won?
Or, when was the last game Sheldon saw the floor that he didn’t hoist up a three? CYO ball perhaps where the little kids don’t have the 3-point line I am guessing?

Did the strategy for the game limit the amount of bombs or was the line defended well by OUr opponent?
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GoCats105
11/7/2025 10:57 AM
MonroeClassmate wrote:expand_more
When was the last time we only hit 1 3PT shot and won?
Or, when was the last game Sheldon saw the floor that he didn’t hoist up a three? CYO ball perhaps where the little kids don’t have the 3-point line I am guessing?

Did the strategy for the game limit the amount of bombs or was the line defended well by OUr opponent?
ISU was defending the line pretty well. There were no easy looks from out there at all, which is probably why getting it inside worked as well as it did.
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M.D.W.S.T
11/7/2025 11:04 AM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Sheldon has been benched on paper this season 100 times on this board already. He is a good ball handler and defender. He isn't bad at having a knack for long range rebounds too. I'm as disappointed in his three point shooting as anyone, but the potential is there and the other components of his game are solid.
What you're describing is a guy who should be getting 15 minutes a game, not 30. He made an absolutely atrocious turnover last night on a lazy drive and lazy kick out to the top of the key, something I couldn't believe when he actually did it. Some people on here like to rip Pavs for getting into the lane and throwing up wild shots, did you see what Sheldon did last night?

If he can uptick his three point shooting, I'm fine giving him minutes because that's what he's out there for. And I could absolutely see subbing him in for defense, because Connors got torched and had terrible positioning multiple times last night. But I think he has a slight offensive advantage over Sheldon.

I liked the rotations last night, especially bringining in Kelly and Kuany as much as Boals did. But with E2 out and expected back at some point, someone's minutes have to come down. I don't think we can sacrifice the athleticism that E2, Kelly and Kuany bring just because Sheldon might get a couple steals.
Exactly. Why are we talking about POTENTIAL? Buddy is a senior. He's not improved, he's gotten worse and inexplicably his shooting volume has increased.

He does play tough defense, as tough as someone 6'0" 185 pounds can play, and he does come down with an occasional rebound, but acting like a 6'6" JJ Kelly can't do all that and more... because POTENTIAL is indeed there for him.

Dior is playing better, as well. Burris got off the bench briefly in the first half.

Sheldon should be getting 15 minutes at most, IF his shot is falling. His defense isn't good enough to justify a full load of starters minutes. Not when we do have potential sitting on the bench needing those minutes.

PG: Jack
SG: I like Dior, but I think I want to see more JJ Kelly. He didn't take many shots, but he was active. He's big. He's long. I think he can create a lot of challenges for dudes trying to run up and hit quick 3's. Elliott is also a good player, but I think first or second off the bench is good for him.
SF: Breath is too good to not have on the floor at the start of games.
PF: Hadaway
C: Simmons

We have talent and depth, and haven't quite figured out the rotation. Trim Sheldon's minutes back and spread it around.

Like I put in my predictions, I think we're only a few games away from your starting 4 being Kuany. And likely Breath shifting back into a 25 min 6th man role. Simmons could come off the bench, but we really lack that big body down low.

6 - Elliott
7 - Dior
8 - Breath
9 - Kuany

Boals would rather eat a scorpion on live TV than use a 10 man rotation, but depending on the day, we NEED Evans to step up. His size and athleticism... even in warm-ups watching him I'm baffled he can't get 10 mins to run up and down and block shots. Boals has played so many bad bigs, I find it hard to believe he is that far into the dog house. Burris is gonna find himself that odd man out in a guard heavy rotation, but there will be nights when we need his 3 ball.

I salivate at the size potential, we just seem to be hellbent on playing small ball when that only works when you're hitting 3-pointers.
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shabamon
11/7/2025 11:12 AM
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:expand_more
Are we gonna start running the offense through the bigs now???
Honestly this is probably our best shot at running an actual offense. I was thinking this during the ASU game as well. Hadaway and Simmons could be a real solid combo come MAC time.
The thing with running the offense through bigs is you might win the MAC but you won't have a prayer as a 13 seed in the tournament.
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bobcatsquared
11/7/2025 1:28 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
He made an absolutely atrocious turnover last night on a lazy drive and lazy kick out to the top of the key, something I couldn't believe when he actually did it. Some people on here like to rip Pavs for getting into the lane and throwing up wild shots, did you see what Sheldon did last night?
He did the exact same thing twice in the opener, one in each half. Both times, he dribbled toward the baseline, got up in the air and air-mailed the pass into the student section. Those suggesting 15 minutes per game for Sheldon are, in my opinion, being too generous.
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FearLeon
11/7/2025 3:55 PM
bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
He made an absolutely atrocious turnover last night on a lazy drive and lazy kick out to the top of the key, something I couldn't believe when he actually did it. Some people on here like to rip Pavs for getting into the lane and throwing up wild shots, did you see what Sheldon did last night?
He did the exact same thing twice in the opener, one in each half. Both times, he dribbled toward the baseline, got up in the air and air-mailed the pass into the student section. Those suggesting 15 minutes per game for Sheldon are, in my opinion, being too generous.
+1

There is absolutely no reason why Sheldon should be getting 30+ minutes a game on this roster. Boals can’t do this all season.
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FJC31
11/7/2025 4:17 PM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
Are we gonna start running the offense through the bigs now???
Honestly this is probably our best shot at running an actual offense. I was thinking this during the ASU game as well. Hadaway and Simmons could be a real solid combo come MAC time.
The thing with running the offense through bigs is you might win the MAC but you won't have a prayer as a 13 seed in the tournament.
Only took seven 3’s to beat Virginia. We made eight against Arkansas State. We’re in the ballpark (haha).
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