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Alan Swank
2/4/2022 5:30 PM
I would love to know exactly how much TV revenue we actually get. As for "national TV", it's time to drop that phrase. If the game is on, it's on nationally on some platform.
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roar-room
2/6/2022 6:39 AM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
I would love to know exactly how much TV revenue we actually get. As for "national TV", it's time to drop that phrase. If the game is on, it's on nationally on some platform.
You don't see a difference between being buried in the ESPN app on ESPN3 and being on channels that folks will naturally click through in a normal cable package?
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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
2/6/2022 6:47 AM
Nobody under the age of 50 gets a normal TV package, except me. And I still read physical newspapers and books and magazines, so I don’t count. And nobody with a normal TV package under 50 channel surfs. My phone or Apple TV alerts me to watch my favorite team and I flip to that exact channel at that exact time.

The only advantage of being on ESPNU over ESPN3 is it will be a featured game on the app, but nobody is going to click on an Ohio game just because it’s on the featured page. They’ll still pick the Kansas-Baylor game every time.

Serendipity is dead. People watch what they already like and will only watch what they already like.

The NCAA tournament is the only shot at ever getting noticed.
Last Edited: 2/6/2022 6:52:47 AM by Brian Smith (No, not that one)
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Alan Swank
2/6/2022 7:59 AM
roar-room wrote:expand_more
I would love to know exactly how much TV revenue we actually get. As for "national TV", it's time to drop that phrase. If the game is on, it's on nationally on some platform.
You don't see a difference between being buried in the ESPN app on ESPN3 and being on channels that folks will naturally click through in a normal cable package?
Normal cable package? Let me check my voicemail on my landline to see what that is. Seriously and with no offense, check out this article. We had cable up until a few years ago and when we realized how little we watched it compared to streaming services, we dropped it and haven't looked back. As people age, the number of cable subscribers will continue to decline.

https://techjury.net/blog/cable-tv-subscribers-statistics...
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MonroeClassmate
2/6/2022 8:28 AM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Congratulations to our athletics department for punishing its fanbase.
Isn't there a larger segment of the fanbase that will get to watch this game on national tv as a result of the shift.

It's a bummer that the weekend plans may change, but I don't think it's nearly so start that this is "punishing" the fanbase. A segment of the fanbase won't be able to attend in-person anymore. Sucks, but more people will see the game as a result.


"Bummer" to the students if the game switched to Friday was Little Sibs Weekend when the busses from Cleveland, Columbus and Cincy are on the way. Bummer to the hotels and restaurants that don't get the biz when the season or other ticket holder cancels the trip.
Last Edited: 2/6/2022 9:15:56 AM by MonroeClassmate
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roar-room
2/6/2022 9:03 AM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
I would love to know exactly how much TV revenue we actually get. As for "national TV", it's time to drop that phrase. If the game is on, it's on nationally on some platform.
You don't see a difference between being buried in the ESPN app on ESPN3 and being on channels that folks will naturally click through in a normal cable package?
Normal cable package? Let me check my voicemail on my landline to see what that is. Seriously and with no offense, check out this article. We had cable up until a few years ago and when we realized how little we watched it compared to streaming services, we dropped it and haven't looked back. As people age, the number of cable subscribers will continue to decline.

https://techjury.net/blog/cable-tv-subscribers-statistics...
I'm not denying the trend....but some quotes from your own link:

- "65% pay for cable TV"
- "cable TV remains the main platform globally"
- "56% of american receive TV via cable or satellite in 2021"
- "You might be wondering if cable TV is dying. However, news of cable’s demise might be premature."

And this all ignores the fact that one of the primary reasons people do actually subscribe to traditional cable/satellite is for sports....Here's another link:

https://fluentpulse.com/sports-viewership /

About a third of the way down you can see cable is still the #1 way people view sports, even combining all streaming services.

Not to mention, shifting to 'national TV' type coverage means we get an actual quality broadcast instead of having to guess the score and how much time is left in the game or possession.


If we were discussing whether or not it was worth it to shift a game during our 2026-2027 season, I'd probably be on your side. But for now, it seems worth it to me.
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BillyTheCat
2/6/2022 9:21 AM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
I would love to know exactly how much TV revenue we actually get. As for "national TV", it's time to drop that phrase. If the game is on, it's on nationally on some platform.
Well, file an FOI request and you’ll get your answer.
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Alan Swank
2/6/2022 10:31 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
I would love to know exactly how much TV revenue we actually get. As for "national TV", it's time to drop that phrase. If the game is on, it's on nationally on some platform.
Well, file an FOI request and you’ll get your answer.
With all the experts on here with insider information and a "seat at the table," I figured someone could just rattle off the answer.
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BillyTheCat
2/6/2022 10:35 AM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
I would love to know exactly how much TV revenue we actually get. As for "national TV", it's time to drop that phrase. If the game is on, it's on nationally on some platform.
Well, file an FOI request and you’ll get your answer.
With all the experts on here with insider information and a "seat at the table," I figured someone could just rattle off the answer.
Some could, but won't.
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Alan Swank
2/6/2022 10:36 AM
roar-room wrote:expand_more
I would love to know exactly how much TV revenue we actually get. As for "national TV", it's time to drop that phrase. If the game is on, it's on nationally on some platform.
You don't see a difference between being buried in the ESPN app on ESPN3 and being on channels that folks will naturally click through in a normal cable package?
Normal cable package? Let me check my voicemail on my landline to see what that is. Seriously and with no offense, check out this article. We had cable up until a few years ago and when we realized how little we watched it compared to streaming services, we dropped it and haven't looked back. As people age, the number of cable subscribers will continue to decline.

https://techjury.net/blog/cable-tv-subscribers-statistics...
I'm not denying the trend....but some quotes from your own link:

- "65% pay for cable TV"
- "cable TV remains the main platform globally"
- "56% of american receive TV via cable or satellite in 2021"
- "You might be wondering if cable TV is dying. However, news of cable’s demise might be premature."

And this all ignores the fact that one of the primary reasons people do actually subscribe to traditional cable/satellite is for sports....Here's another link:

https://fluentpulse.com/sports-viewership /

About a third of the way down you can see cable is still the #1 way people view sports, even combining all streaming services.

Not to mention, shifting to 'national TV' type coverage means we get an actual quality broadcast instead of having to guess the score and how much time is left in the game or possession.


If we were discussing whether or not it was worth it to shift a game during our 2026-2027 season, I'd probably be on your side. But for now, it seems worth it to me.
People are creatures of habit. When's the last time you checked to see if you could get a better rate on your gas or electric bill? Just because someone pays for cable, doesn't mean they use it. Heck, it took us forever to pull the trigger on dropping our land line and dropping cable. My guess is that most people over a certain age have labored with that same decision. Now that we have cut the cord, we can't watch "traditional TV" because of the commercials. We tried to watch the nightly news last evening for the first time in years and turned it off when the second set of commercials came on. Steaming platforms that offer commercial and commercial free options are brilliant. As time goes on, the majority will opt for the commercial free version.
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giacomo
2/9/2022 9:36 AM
Wasn’t the basketball alumni game this past weekend? I’m unaware of the Feb 26 date, unless that’s your private soirée.
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spongeBOB CATpants
2/9/2022 11:14 AM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
I would love to know exactly how much TV revenue we actually get. As for "national TV", it's time to drop that phrase. If the game is on, it's on nationally on some platform.
You don't see a difference between being buried in the ESPN app on ESPN3 and being on channels that folks will naturally click through in a normal cable package?
Normal cable package? Let me check my voicemail on my landline to see what that is. Seriously and with no offense, check out this article. We had cable up until a few years ago and when we realized how little we watched it compared to streaming services, we dropped it and haven't looked back. As people age, the number of cable subscribers will continue to decline.

https://techjury.net/blog/cable-tv-subscribers-statistics...
I'm not denying the trend....but some quotes from your own link:

- "65% pay for cable TV"
- "cable TV remains the main platform globally"
- "56% of american receive TV via cable or satellite in 2021"
- "You might be wondering if cable TV is dying. However, news of cable’s demise might be premature."

And this all ignores the fact that one of the primary reasons people do actually subscribe to traditional cable/satellite is for sports....Here's another link:

https://fluentpulse.com/sports-viewership /

About a third of the way down you can see cable is still the #1 way people view sports, even combining all streaming services.

Not to mention, shifting to 'national TV' type coverage means we get an actual quality broadcast instead of having to guess the score and how much time is left in the game or possession.


If we were discussing whether or not it was worth it to shift a game during our 2026-2027 season, I'd probably be on your side. But for now, it seems worth it to me.
People are creatures of habit. When's the last time you checked to see if you could get a better rate on your gas or electric bill? Just because someone pays for cable, doesn't mean they use it. Heck, it took us forever to pull the trigger on dropping our land line and dropping cable. My guess is that most people over a certain age have labored with that same decision. Now that we have cut the cord, we can't watch "traditional TV" because of the commercials. We tried to watch the nightly news last evening for the first time in years and turned it off when the second set of commercials came on. Steaming platforms that offer commercial and commercial free options are brilliant. As time goes on, the majority will opt for the commercial free version.
And as time continues to go on, those streaming services will start to look more and more like the original cable providers that they promised not to be.
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BillyTheCat
2/9/2022 11:34 AM
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:expand_more
I would love to know exactly how much TV revenue we actually get. As for "national TV", it's time to drop that phrase. If the game is on, it's on nationally on some platform.
You don't see a difference between being buried in the ESPN app on ESPN3 and being on channels that folks will naturally click through in a normal cable package?
Normal cable package? Let me check my voicemail on my landline to see what that is. Seriously and with no offense, check out this article. We had cable up until a few years ago and when we realized how little we watched it compared to streaming services, we dropped it and haven't looked back. As people age, the number of cable subscribers will continue to decline.

https://techjury.net/blog/cable-tv-subscribers-statistics...
I'm not denying the trend....but some quotes from your own link:

- "65% pay for cable TV"
- "cable TV remains the main platform globally"
- "56% of american receive TV via cable or satellite in 2021"
- "You might be wondering if cable TV is dying. However, news of cable’s demise might be premature."

And this all ignores the fact that one of the primary reasons people do actually subscribe to traditional cable/satellite is for sports....Here's another link:

https://fluentpulse.com/sports-viewership /

About a third of the way down you can see cable is still the #1 way people view sports, even combining all streaming services.

Not to mention, shifting to 'national TV' type coverage means we get an actual quality broadcast instead of having to guess the score and how much time is left in the game or possession.


If we were discussing whether or not it was worth it to shift a game during our 2026-2027 season, I'd probably be on your side. But for now, it seems worth it to me.
People are creatures of habit. When's the last time you checked to see if you could get a better rate on your gas or electric bill? Just because someone pays for cable, doesn't mean they use it. Heck, it took us forever to pull the trigger on dropping our land line and dropping cable. My guess is that most people over a certain age have labored with that same decision. Now that we have cut the cord, we can't watch "traditional TV" because of the commercials. We tried to watch the nightly news last evening for the first time in years and turned it off when the second set of commercials came on. Steaming platforms that offer commercial and commercial free options are brilliant. As time goes on, the majority will opt for the commercial free version.
And as time continues to go on, those streaming services will start to look more and more like the original cable providers that they promised not to be.
You are already seeing this!
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SBH
2/9/2022 3:21 PM
Oh, well, as long as it's "flexed" and not "changed," "moved" or "rescheduled," I've got nothing to complain about. What a weasel word.
Last Edited: 2/9/2022 3:39:05 PM by SBH
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shabamon
2/9/2022 3:28 PM
"Hey uh, CBS Sports Network... didja see the game last night? Toledo's really good, huh? Th-that's who you want to showcase. Those guys."
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97' Bobcat
2/9/2022 4:01 PM
It's crazy that we are going to have ONE Saturday home MAC game for the entire season. I am glad I did not purchase tickets in advance as I thought about doing. For folks who live in NE Ohio like me, there is no chance to make it to a 6pm game in Athens on Friday night. Feel bad for anyone who did make plans, thinking it was going to be a 1pm Saturday start.
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cc-cat
2/9/2022 5:37 PM
Just changed my hotel to one night. went online to change and they said there were no rooms available at my hotel - got a client call - 15 minutes later - got online again - 12 rooms available - so took one for a single night.
Last Edited: 2/9/2022 5:47:36 PM by cc-cat
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BillyTheCat
2/9/2022 6:03 PM
Friday night works for me, as I was having to work another game Saturday. So kudos to the flex!
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shabamon
2/9/2022 6:05 PM
There's a potential high school tournament matchup I'm itching to see that same night.
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lovebobcat
2/9/2022 10:07 PM
Since I live in Cincinnati, I can only make it to Saturday games. And after all the flexing, there are a grand total of TWO Saturday home games this season. Since I missed that St. Francis tilt back on Dec. 4, this past Saturday was the only game we could make.

I bought season tickets. Out of a 20-game MAC schedule, there were four scheduled for Saturdays, for which I dutifully booked hotels 5-6 months in advance. Three got flexed to Fridays.

I would say to OU's athletic director, "This may not be your fault, but this IS your problem." I will no longer buy season tickets when a schedule shows a series of games that are unlikely to stay on Saturdays. In the future, I guess I'll just buy tickets at the door to whatever single home game actually STAYS on a Saturday -- if any do -- and save myself a lot of money.
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JSF
2/9/2022 10:51 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
Oh, well, as long as it's "flexed" and not "changed," "moved" or "rescheduled," I've got nothing to complain about. What a weasel word.
That’s the standard word used in this situation.
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cc-cat
2/9/2022 11:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldOLxCZhIDA
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ShoreCat
2/10/2022 12:18 PM
so the increase in TV exposure and revenue comes at a cost. As others have indicated, even devoted alums are less likely to make non-Saturday afternoon games. I've had plans to come to this game for more than a month. Pick up a fellow Clevelander at 8, meet our good friend from Logan, head to the game and then hit uptown for an early dinner before heading home. 6:00 start on a Friday kills all of that due to work and family commitments.

Since the TV contracts have expanded for both football and basketball, I've made the trip from Northeast Ohio to Athens far less frequently. Getting to Athens from 3/4 of the State requires a major commitment, whether that be in cost of hotels/travel; taking time off of work; family sacrifices, etc.

That's not complaining, that's reality. And as I inch closer to 50, making those sacrifices for a Friday evening basketball game or Tuesday evening football game in November become more of a struggle.

I'm very thankful for the local fan base and the re-emergence of the Ozone this year, but I can easily see a lot of devoted alums getting lost in this shuffle.
Last Edited: 2/10/2022 12:26:27 PM by ShoreCat
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OU_Country
2/10/2022 1:09 PM
NRBearCat wrote:expand_more
so the increase in TV exposure and revenue comes at a cost. As others have indicated, even devoted alums are less likely to make non-Saturday afternoon games. I've had plans to come to this game for more than a month. Pick up a fellow Clevelander at 8, meet our good friend from Logan, head to the game and then hit uptown for an early dinner before heading home. 6:00 start on a Friday kills all of that due to work and family commitments.

Since the TV contracts have expanded for both football and basketball, I've made the trip from Northeast Ohio to Athens far less frequently. Getting to Athens from 3/4 of the State requires a major commitment, whether that be in cost of hotels/travel; taking time off of work; family sacrifices, etc.

That's not complaining, that's reality. And as I inch closer to 50, making those sacrifices for a Friday evening basketball game or Tuesday evening football game in November become more of a struggle.

I'm very thankful for the local fan base and the re-emergence of the Ozone this year, but I can easily see a lot of devoted alums getting lost in this shuffle.
As a guy that drives now 95 miles one way to come to Athens, I agree with this. I've made both Friday games so far, and I'll make this one.

BUT....if my life situation were different, I would have probably made one of the three, and I'd be asking myself whether season tickets make any sense at all.

The conference needs to do something about this. Even if it's as simple as posting these games on Friday to begin with when the schedule comes out. Because your story is far too common when it comes to fans not being able to attend because of these stupid 14 day windows. It happened to my BG buddy a few years ago when he had two Saturday games lined up that ended up on Friday night. It's a bad business model for the MAC, and there are alternative measures that could be taken to make it more palatable for fans and ticket sales people.
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