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Cellis033
2/23/2022 11:02 AM
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:expand_more
Great atmosphere, well done Ozone you are growing and developing game by game.

Chase, way to lead all night and take control of WT/LT with the volume and intensity, looking forward to having you and yours in Cleveland.

BVP triple double with JP in the house, what can I say...just awesome. The Convo this season has been historically enjoyable with all the wins and watching the students come alive. Special season.
+1 special season indeed, very happy for the students and old timers to get to experience a reenergized Convo

Let's get this ring and turn it up another level for next season.
Definitely planning on continuing the momentum! Development is very high on my priority - a trustworthy group of leaders I can pass it onto after I graduate.
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Alan Swank
2/23/2022 12:06 PM
That was one bad basketball team Central put on the floor last night. With 13 full rides, how can a team be that bad? Either someone can't recognize talent or they have no clue how to develop it. Sure would like to draw them in the first round in Cleveland.
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Andrew Ruck
2/23/2022 12:46 PM
Where would we be without Tommy Schmock? He has counteracted the disappearance of Roderick's outside shot. All we heard of Schmock going in was a backup point guard who was an assist machine. He ends up essentially being a shooting guard sniper. Tommy is now 5th in the conference in 3 pt %.

By the way, Sears is ahead of his at #4 and despite playing significantly more minutes, Sears has attempted less threes than Tommy. Sears needs to fire behind the arc more. Carter & BVP less. We are 9th in the conference in 3 point % but have attempted more threes than any other team in the league. That's not a great formula.

BVP staying in with 4 bench players and essentially running point to get the 10th assist was hysterical. I came on here expecting at least 1 poster being upset about coach putting individual accolades in front of team health...I'm glad I didn't see it. What a great accomplishment for BVP and to be exactly 10/10/10, never seen that before. Also had 4 steals.

Passing was elite last night. Exactly what we need. Several good dishes from BVP & Sears especially. Some turnovers went to passers but really were a result of Ezuma or Clayton not handling the heat. I've noticed that with both of them in the post, they aren't quite catching passes clean and in some cases completely whiffing. But not uncommon for freshmen.

All that being said, CMU shot really poorly even when left wide open and had Tommy not drilled 7 threes this game would've been uncomfortably close. Still not quite where we need to be for Toledo/Kent. Keep up the good passing and hit a few more shots and we'll be ready.
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bobcatsquared
2/23/2022 1:02 PM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
BVP staying in with 4 bench players and essentially running point to get the 10th assist was hysterical.
I noticed this too but was even more impressed with who ran the point when BVP went to the bench. Anyone noticed who this was (although it was only for a possession or two).
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SBH
2/23/2022 1:05 PM
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cc-cat
2/23/2022 1:16 PM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
BVP staying in with 4 bench players and essentially running point to get the 10th assist was hysterical. I came on here expecting at least 1 poster being upset about coach putting individual accolades in front of team health...I'm glad I didn't see it. What a great accomplishment for BVP and to be exactly 10/10/10, never seen that before. Also had 4 steals.
I had no issue with it - he's given his all for the team and university - let him have that milestone.
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spongeBOB CATpants
2/23/2022 1:23 PM
cc-cat wrote:expand_more
BVP staying in with 4 bench players and essentially running point to get the 10th assist was hysterical. I came on here expecting at least 1 poster being upset about coach putting individual accolades in front of team health...I'm glad I didn't see it. What a great accomplishment for BVP and to be exactly 10/10/10, never seen that before. Also had 4 steals.
I had no issue with it - he's given his all for the team and university - let him have that milestone.
Ezuma and Clayton had back to back dropped passes from BVP for layups under the hoop. They catch and finish those, BVP is out of the game earlier in the 4th with his triple double.

BVP noticeably frustrated with the second one. Growing pains for a couple of freshman, gotta have the hands ready whenever under the rim. To me this will come with experience as they learn the offense better and the game slows down a little bit for them. BVP was looking for those guys as the play was developing as if he knew they would be open.
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GroverBall
2/23/2022 2:07 PM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
BVP staying in with 4 bench players and essentially running point to get the 10th assist was hysterical. I came on here expecting at least 1 poster being upset about coach putting individual accolades in front of team health...I'm glad I didn't see it. What a great accomplishment for BVP and to be exactly 10/10/10, never seen that before. Also had 4 steals.
BVP was playing that role all game, initiating the offense from the top of the key. I noted twice in the first three minutes that from that area he actually left the floor before deciding on his pass -- a la JP. A no-no from the old fundamentals school but I keep learning how the old fundamentals are no longer so set in stone these days, like squaring your shoulders to shoot. JP got to the League using the jump pass so I guess the scouts no longer cringe at this?
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GroverBall
2/23/2022 2:11 PM
Also should note that Frazier was at the scorers table to check in, presumably for Ben regardless what happened on the floor, before BVP's last assist so it did not appear that Boals was going to leave him in until he got it.
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A-townBound
2/23/2022 2:29 PM
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Also should note that Frazier was at the scorers table to check in, presumably for Ben regardless what happened on the floor, before BVP's last assist so it did not appear that Boals was going to leave him in until he got it.
BVP said in the post game press conference that Boals told him he had one run to make it happen. He said he was aware that Luke was at the table about to check in for him.

Also said "We'll see ..." when asked if Friday would be his last game in The Convo. FWIW - Tommy said it would not be ...
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Victory
2/23/2022 4:13 PM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
By the way, Sears is ahead of his at #4 and despite playing significantly more minutes, Sears has attempted less threes than Tommy. Sears needs to fire behind the arc more. Carter & BVP less. We are 9th in the conference in 3 point % but have attempted more threes than any other team in the league. That's not a great formula.
It may be an OK formula. I don't know. Carter may shoot too many and BVP may shoot too many from 26 feet but in general the analytics say that for most players if you have an open three that you want to take it. We shoot 33.8% from three. That's 1.014 points per shot attempt. You have to shoot 50.7% from 2 to match that. I think that's right about what we are shooting from two. That's an over simplification. It doesn't think about how likely you are to draw a foul, turn it over, get an offensive board but we are not way off here. We might just be better at getting open looks and not as good at hitting them.
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spongeBOB CATpants
2/23/2022 4:25 PM
Victory wrote:expand_more
By the way, Sears is ahead of his at #4 and despite playing significantly more minutes, Sears has attempted less threes than Tommy. Sears needs to fire behind the arc more. Carter & BVP less. We are 9th in the conference in 3 point % but have attempted more threes than any other team in the league. That's not a great formula.
It may be an OK formula. I don't know. Carter may shoot too many and BVP may shoot too many from 26 feet but in general the analytics say that for most players if you have an open three that you want to take it. We shoot 33.8% from three. That's 1.014 points per shot attempt. You have to shoot 50.7% from 2 to match that. I think that's right about what we are shooting from two. That's an over simplification. It doesn't think about how likely you are to draw a foul, turn it over, get an offensive board but we are not way off here. We might just be better at getting open looks and not as good at hitting them.
Good analysis and I'd agree with your conclusions. The way teams collapse on the interior against us + the numbers from above would suggest that we do find open looks but miss.

Couple less Carter chucks and BVP chucks from Richland Ave and the % would start to improve.
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Jeff McKinney
2/23/2022 6:39 PM
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That was one bad basketball team Central put on the floor last night. With 13 full rides, how can a team be that bad? Either someone can't recognize talent or they have no clue how to develop it. Sure would like to draw them in the first round in Cleveland.
I disagree with you on this. First year coach rebuilding this program from the ground up. Only one player back from last year. Basically had to find a way to throw together a roster for this transition season. Considering all this, they have made some strides toward the end of the season.

Also coming off what should have been a win at #1 Toledo.
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Ted Thompson
2/23/2022 9:56 PM

 

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Andrew Ruck
2/24/2022 10:48 AM
Victory wrote:expand_more
By the way, Sears is ahead of his at #4 and despite playing significantly more minutes, Sears has attempted less threes than Tommy. Sears needs to fire behind the arc more. Carter & BVP less. We are 9th in the conference in 3 point % but have attempted more threes than any other team in the league. That's not a great formula.
It may be an OK formula. I don't know. Carter may shoot too many and BVP may shoot too many from 26 feet but in general the analytics say that for most players if you have an open three that you want to take it. We shoot 33.8% from three. That's 1.014 points per shot attempt. You have to shoot 50.7% from 2 to match that. I think that's right about what we are shooting from two. That's an over simplification. It doesn't think about how likely you are to draw a foul, turn it over, get an offensive board but we are not way off here. We might just be better at getting open looks and not as good at hitting them.
Fair point. I am NOT a 3 point hater and agree with the analytical point you're making. It was more a plea for shifting who is shooting those threes. Sears passes up too many chances. I am not mad at Carter & BVP for a good bit of their shots. But sometimes it is early in the shot clock, or well defended, or both. In the end it is all about using the trip down the court to get a high percentage shot.
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OhioCatFan
2/24/2022 12:27 PM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
That was one bad basketball team Central put on the floor last night. With 13 full rides, how can a team be that bad? Either someone can't recognize talent or they have no clue how to develop it. Sure would like to draw them in the first round in Cleveland.
I disagree with you on this. First year coach rebuilding this program from the ground up. Only one player back from last year. Basically had to find a way to throw together a roster for this transition season. Considering all this, they have made some strides toward the end of the season.

Also coming off what should have been a win at #1 Toledo.
I agree with Jeff here. I watched the last part of their game with UT, and I think we ran into a team that was mentally exhausted after that "near win." I would not especially like to meet them in Cleveland if they were playing like they did against the Rockets.
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