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Topic: Can you imagine Jeff Boals allowing something like this in his locker room?
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SBH
3/12/2022 4:20 PM
The Rowdies weren't wearing their school's official jerseys or receiving full-ride schollies.
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Alan Swank
3/12/2022 4:45 PM
Cellis033 wrote:expand_more
A friend sent me the video that was posted on Snap-chat, and it was completely Classless Kent State. They obviously do not know how to act when they win a game.
Earlier this season, Kant State won a hard fought game at Akron. Instead of congratulating teammates and shaking hands, most of the Kant team charged across the court and confronted the Akron student section. They were shouting the same type of vulgar language that was involved last night in their locker room. It almost turned into a riot, but security just barely got the Kent players away from the Akron fans and prevented something very ugly from happening.
Where were the Kant coaches when their players charged the Akron fans, and where were the Kant coaches when their players were producing their video to be sent to Snap-chat???
Something similar happened later after a win at CMU with security escorting KSU staff and players off the court.

Then again, they're just kids being kids, right Bobcatblitz?
I'm conflicted, while at times it's disrespectful I still friggin love trash talk among players. It brings more attention to games
"Players" don't need to talk trash. Go watch some old Jim Brown films.
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Alan Swank
3/12/2022 4:47 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
The Rowdies weren't wearing their school's official jerseys or receiving full-ride schollies.
Or getting paid the "full cost of attendance."
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jayboy
3/12/2022 4:56 PM
Bobcatzblitz wrote:expand_more
A couple years ago, I was behind Kent at the convo, back by the visiting locker room, just before they ran out for pregame warmups 30 minutes or so before a game. My young son was with me as we waited to head out onto the floor to our section.

The profanity-laced “hype up” they did, including MANY uses of the “N word,” stunned me.

LOFL. If that "stunned" you wait until you find out what your son gets into in College.
I’m not saying I expected them to be saints, and trust me, I have a very good idea of what college life is. I have never have been inside a basketball locker room, and what happens in there can (and should) stay in there. That’s not what I was getting at.

It was just that moment, right next to the court, hearing what I heard “chanted” clearly in a public space took me by surprise.

I would hope to never hear what I heard from any OHIO team.
Last Edited: 3/12/2022 5:01:28 PM by jayboy
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GraffZ06
3/12/2022 5:25 PM
Can't Read, Can't Write, Kant State!

Just LOL.
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Pataskala
3/12/2022 5:28 PM
Cellis033 wrote:expand_more
A friend sent me the video that was posted on Snap-chat, and it was completely Classless Kent State. They obviously do not know how to act when they win a game.
Earlier this season, Kant State won a hard fought game at Akron. Instead of congratulating teammates and shaking hands, most of the Kant team charged across the court and confronted the Akron student section. They were shouting the same type of vulgar language that was involved last night in their locker room. It almost turned into a riot, but security just barely got the Kent players away from the Akron fans and prevented something very ugly from happening.
Where were the Kant coaches when their players charged the Akron fans, and where were the Kant coaches when their players were producing their video to be sent to Snap-chat???
Something similar happened later after a win at CMU with security escorting KSU staff and players off the court.

Then again, they're just kids being kids, right Bobcatblitz?
I'm conflicted, while at times it's disrespectful I still friggin love trash talk among players. It brings more attention to games
Maybe the wrong kind of attention. The only thing you see about the MAC title game is that Kent has four players being disciplined.

You can't stop kids from doing stupid things, but coaches should restrict their access to social media during tourneys. As I recall Groce confiscated all the players' cell phones during the Sweet 16 run. Kent has just given Akron the electronic equivalent of bulletin board material.
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Bobcatbob
3/12/2022 6:18 PM
This is an entirely understandable debate coming from a fan base that wholeheartedly embraces
“Muck Fiami” as a rallying cry and Tee shirt fodder. Cause that’s entirely wholesome and nobody outside Athens “really” gets it.
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GraffZ06
3/12/2022 6:29 PM
Bobcatbob wrote:expand_more
This is an entirely understandable debate coming from a fan base that wholeheartedly embraces
“Muck Fiami” as a rallying cry and Tee shirt fodder. Cause that’s entirely wholesome and nobody outside Athens “really” gets it.
The beauty of Muck Fiami is that it not only cleverly makes fun of the school (and their stuffy smugness), but while it certainly insinuates vulgarity - it doesn't actually say it.

Sort of like musical lyrics that paint the picture of describing sex, drugs and rock and roll in an artistic fashion instead of just SAYING sex, drugs and rock and roll.

Kant State was neither artistic, nor clever.
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SBH
3/12/2022 6:52 PM
Bobcatbob wrote:expand_more
This is an entirely understandable debate coming from a fan base that wholeheartedly embraces
“Muck Fiami” as a rallying cry and Tee shirt fodder. Cause that’s entirely wholesome and nobody outside Athens “really” gets it.
We didn't sign scholarship papers requiring that we uphold the standards of the university and its athletic programs.
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Alan Swank
3/12/2022 7:12 PM
I'm not on Twitter but I delved into the comments on various sites regarding this. It's amazing how many people think there is/was absolutely nothing wrong with what they did and that this is such a minor "offense." In fact, as far as posted comments go, the majority appear to be saying "what's the big deal." While I certainly don't fall in that category, it's been a bit disappointing to see that to many this is acceptable behavior.

My hope is that cooler heads prevail on and off the court tonight in Cleveland.
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Pataskala
3/12/2022 9:26 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
I'm not on Twitter but I delved into the comments on various sites regarding this. It's amazing how many people think there is/was absolutely nothing wrong with what they did and that this is such a minor "offense." In fact, as far as posted comments go, the majority appear to be saying "what's the big deal." While I certainly don't fall in that category, it's been a bit disappointing to see that to many this is acceptable behavior.

My hope is that cooler heads prevail on and off the court tonight in Cleveland.
It might not be acceptable but it's probably very common in college locker rooms. Johnson was just dumb enough to put it on social media for the whole world, including MAC and Kent officials, to see.
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JSF
3/13/2022 8:23 AM
I condemn the suspensions. They are unwarranted and an overreaction.
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71 BOBCAT
3/13/2022 8:53 AM
I wonder if this incident will have an effect on Kent's next years roster?







GO BOBCATS
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BillyTheCat
3/13/2022 9:44 AM
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Something like this probably happens in a lot of locker rooms. He was just stupid enough to put it on social media. Funny, if he had worn a shirt that said F*ck the Draft, that's protected speech according to the Supreme Court (Cohen v. California, 1971) and the MAC couldn't legally do anything about. (Yes, there's no draft but there's still registration for selective service.) Wouldn't be surprised if the ACLU goes after the MAC on this one. Won't help Kent's guys today but something like this will likely happen again somewhere.
I'm sorry, but where were the coaches or, at least, grad assistant to stop this?
Well the head coach was doing his obligated media time. And do you think that programs have coaches who sit in the locker room and watch men undress and shower to make sure they behave? Not every staff has a Jim Jordan on it.
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BillyTheCat
3/13/2022 9:55 AM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
I'm not on Twitter but I delved into the comments on various sites regarding this. It's amazing how many people think there is/was absolutely nothing wrong with what they did and that this is such a minor "offense." In fact, as far as posted comments go, the majority appear to be saying "what's the big deal." While I certainly don't fall in that category, it's been a bit disappointing to see that to many this is acceptable behavior.

My hope is that cooler heads prevail on and off the court tonight in Cleveland.
Spoke with several of our own players last night as well as one Akron alumni basketball players at the Convo None thought suspensions were warranted for the video. What we clearly have here is a total generational divide.
Last Edited: 3/13/2022 9:57:01 AM by BillyTheCat
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longtiimelurker
3/13/2022 10:44 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
I'm not on Twitter but I delved into the comments on various sites regarding this. It's amazing how many people think there is/was absolutely nothing wrong with what they did and that this is such a minor "offense." In fact, as far as posted comments go, the majority appear to be saying "what's the big deal." While I certainly don't fall in that category, it's been a bit disappointing to see that to many this is acceptable behavior.

My hope is that cooler heads prevail on and off the court tonight in Cleveland.
Spoke with several of our own players last night as well as one Akron alumni basketball players at the Convo None thought suspensions were warranted for the video. What we clearly have here is a total generational divide. [/QUOTE]Reading through the thread I fully expected an "OK Boomer" response to be thrown out there. The bottom line is that what is labeled entertainment has crossed over and invaded sports. Long gone are the days where players "let my game do the talking". Better to be a fool for your moment in the sun instead of creating a legacy that will endure based on performance. But that would be a Boomer take by the generation that accepts it as a norm. Guys like Jordan, Malone and Magic were the last of the silent but deadly guys even though the 30 for 30s and NBA TV documentaries have shown Bird to be one of the trashiest talkers that played the game.


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Well the head coach was doing his obligated media time. And do you think that programs have coaches who sit in the locker room and watch men undress and shower to make sure they behave? Not every staff has a Jim Jordan on it.
Isn't part of the coaching and mentoring process with these University athletes to teach? One of the best quotes ever coming out of the coaching profession was "Character is how you act when no one is watching". Surely that would make you think twice before posting to Social Media where you know EVERYONE is watching. In a US Society where folks get violent because "he disrespected me" and pull out guns to settle an issue the same peers think it is normal and acceptable to say "F someone" without thinking about it.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
3/13/2022 11:06 AM
longtiimelurker wrote:expand_more
Reading through the thread I fully expected an "OK Boomer" response to be thrown out there. The bottom line is that what is labeled entertainment has crossed over and invaded sports. Long gone are the days where players "let my game do the talking". Better to be a fool for your moment in the sun instead of creating a legacy that will endure based on performance. But that would be a Boomer take by the generation that accepts it as a norm. Guys like Jordan, Malone and Magic were the last of the silent but deadly guys even though the 30 for 30s and NBA TV documentaries have shown Bird to be one of the trashiest talkers that played the game.


Isn't part of the coaching and mentoring process with these University athletes to teach? One of the best quotes ever coming out of the coaching profession was "Character is how you act when no one is watching". Surely that would make you think twice before posting to Social Media where you know EVERYONE is watching. In a US Society where folks get violent because "he disrespected me" and pull out guns to settle an issue the same peers think it is normal and acceptable to say "F someone" without thinking about it.
There are plenty of people who still "let their game do the talking", just as there were plenty of players in past eras who liked attention. Read up on the ABA sometime; the entire strategy of the league rested on the sort of attention seeking you're trying to paint as a generational divide. Charles Barkley played in the era you're trying to paint as a bunch of dudes who "let their game do the talking" -- he, you know, talks a lot.

The real generational divide here is between a generation who views a video like this as representative of some moral decay, and those who see TikTok as just a new medium for the same old stuff that always happened.

That video is basically just a rorschach test for one's existing opinion of kids these days.

But here's an important question for those that think this is a reflection on "kids these days": how many teams are playing this weekend? How many had a similar issue? Maybe a bit of a leap to use this as a stand in for the decline of American sportsmanship, no?
Last Edited: 3/13/2022 11:09:29 AM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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Ted Thompson
3/13/2022 11:22 AM

If they performed this same action on a basketball court during a game, they would receive technical fouls. So I don't think the penalty was that different than what would have happened during a game.

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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
3/13/2022 11:46 AM
Ted Thompson wrote:expand_more
If they performed this same action on a basketball court during a game, they would receive technical fouls. So I don't think the penalty was that different than what would have happened during a game.
That's a good point and a smart way to frame the punishment.
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bobcatsquared
3/13/2022 12:06 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
But here's an important question for those that think this is a reflection on "kids these days": how many teams are playing this weekend? How many had a similar issue? Maybe a bit of a leap to use this as a stand in for the decline of American sportsmanship, no?
Which tells me that the majority of the kids playing college basketball this weekend know better. Good for them.

And if that's the case, then a few KSU players don't know better. Shame on them.
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cbus cat fan
3/13/2022 12:07 PM
Can we stop this nonsense about some sort of gnerational divide? There have always been a small percentage of idiots in sports in every generation. I have worked and continue to work with enough student athletes, coaches, and administrators to know this is not a generational thing. 90+% of student athletes, coaches and administrators are good people trying to make their lives and those around them better. There will always be a small percenatge of idiots who help cost their team the game through stupid actions, whether they be face to face confrontations or through videos. This will probably continue in perpetuity.
Last Edited: 3/13/2022 12:24:33 PM by cbus cat fan
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OhioCatFan
3/13/2022 4:12 PM
cbus cat fan wrote:expand_more
Can we stop this nonsense about some sort of gnerational divide? There have always been a small percentage of idiots in sports in every generation. I have worked and continue to work with enough student athletes, coaches, and administrators to know this is not a generational thing. 90+% of student athletes, coaches and administrators are good people trying to make their lives and those around them better. There will always be a small percenatge of idiots who help cost their team the game through stupid actions, whether they be face to face confrontations or through videos. This will probably continue in perpetuity.
+1 Well put, cbus cat fan.
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BillyTheCat
3/13/2022 5:25 PM
longtiimelurker wrote:expand_more
I'm not on Twitter but I delved into the comments on various sites regarding this. It's amazing how many people think there is/was absolutely nothing wrong with what they did and that this is such a minor "offense." In fact, as far as posted comments go, the majority appear to be saying "what's the big deal." While I certainly don't fall in that category, it's been a bit disappointing to see that to many this is acceptable behavior.

My hope is that cooler heads prevail on and off the court tonight in Cleveland.
Spoke with several of our own players last night as well as one Akron alumni basketball players at the Convo None thought suspensions were warranted for the video. What we clearly have here is a total generational divide.
Reading through the thread I fully expected an "OK Boomer" response to be thrown out there. The bottom line is that what is labeled entertainment has crossed over and invaded sports. Long gone are the days where players "let my game do the talking". Better to be a fool for your moment in the sun instead of creating a legacy that will endure based on performance. But that would be a Boomer take by the generation that accepts it as a norm. Guys like Jordan, Malone and Magic were the last of the silent but deadly guys even though the 30 for 30s and NBA TV documentaries have shown Bird to be one of the trashiest talkers that played the game.


Well the head coach was doing his obligated media time. And do you think that programs have coaches who sit in the locker room and watch men undress and shower to make sure they behave? Not every staff has a Jim Jordan on it.
Isn't part of the coaching and mentoring process with these University athletes to teach? One of the best quotes ever coming out of the coaching profession was "Character is how you act when no one is watching". Surely that would make you think twice before posting to Social Media where you know EVERYONE is watching. In a US Society where folks get violent because "he disrespected me" and pull out guns to settle an issue the same peers think it is normal and acceptable to say "F someone" without thinking about it.
You think these coaches are with kids 24/7, watching them in the locker room? Yes they should be mentoring these young men, but they still do stupid things.


As for the “boomer” comment, I did not mean it that way. I personally applaud the University and the MAC on their decision. My point was, athletes and young people view this much more differently than the older crowd.
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longtiimelurker
3/13/2022 5:38 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
You think these coaches are with kids 24/7, watching them in the locker room? Yes they should be mentoring these young men, but they still do stupid things.


As for the “boomer” comment, I did not mean it that way. I personally applaud the University and the MAC on their decision. My point was, athletes and young people view this much more differently than the older crowd.
There is no implication or expectation that they would be there 24/7. The lessons they teach should be carried with them 24/7. I can't be with my children 24/7 but I would expect them to act accordingly. I am more than confident that they understand to think first and expect consequences that are severe when they "do stupid things"

I did not accuse you of saying "boomer". I said I expected it much earlier. As I read Alan's comments I fully thought it would come. I did not infer that you were invoking the Boomer retort.
Last Edited: 3/13/2022 5:38:52 PM by longtiimelurker
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BillyTheCat
3/13/2022 8:51 PM
longtiimelurker wrote:expand_more
You think these coaches are with kids 24/7, watching them in the locker room? Yes they should be mentoring these young men, but they still do stupid things.


As for the “boomer” comment, I did not mean it that way. I personally applaud the University and the MAC on their decision. My point was, athletes and young people view this much more differently than the older crowd.
There is no implication or expectation that they would be there 24/7. The lessons they teach should be carried with them 24/7. I can't be with my children 24/7 but I would expect them to act accordingly. I am more than confident that they understand to think first and expect consequences that are severe when they "do stupid things"

I did not accuse you of saying "boomer". I said I expected it much earlier. As I read Alan's comments I fully thought it would come. I did not infer that you were invoking the Boomer retort.
I know you think you are really important, but my comments were not directed at you. Unlike me, you don’t live in my head like I do yours.
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