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Topic: FBI Arrests "Several" Assistant Coaches
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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
9/27/2017 12:58 PM
adidas' sudden rise in the American sports world is making a lot more sense. Not that all shoe companies aren't funnels of corruption in college athletics in some form or fashion, but adidas went from an afterthought to a major player in a matter of months.
Last Edited: 9/27/2017 12:59:00 PM by Brian Smith (No, not that one)
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rpbobcat
9/27/2017 1:20 PM
Be interesting to be a fly on the wall in the athletic department right about know.

I wonder what kind of "escape clause" is in our contract.
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BillyTheCat
9/27/2017 1:49 PM
Mike Coleman wrote:expand_more
My friend who works at adidas is worried this could eventually bring down the entire company. Probably far-fetched, people will still buy shoes, but still.

When you had boosters illegally funneling money, they banned those boosters. When the shoe corporations illegally funnel money, will they ban the shoe companies? Louisville is supposed to be getting paid $160 million by adidas.

Right now the media seems to be focused on those accepting bribes and kickbacks. But bribery is a two-way street.
With the cost outlays that Adidas America has out there right now, this could damage them in the domestic marketplace that they have made many strides in the past 10 years. As for "illegally funneling money", have I missed something? As of yet I do not believe that any institution has been accused of any illegal activities, only coaches and handlers.

The AAU circuit mentioned earlier could get a serious blow, and I personally hope this happens.
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BillyTheCat
9/27/2017 1:53 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
Be interesting to be a fly on the wall in the athletic department right about know.

I wonder what kind of "escape clause" is in our contract.
We are not escaping anywhere as long as the dollars are still on the table. I'm sure compliance is making sure coaches are aware of the rules, and that the University legal team will be going over do's and dont's as well.
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Ohio69
9/27/2017 2:02 PM
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A lot of red meat here: http://www.courier-journal.com /

Wait until the IRS gets involved with those receiving payments. [/QUOTE]Look at that picture of Pitino. Still has his dress shirt unbuttoned one extra button. No gray hair. At age 65. Mr. Machismo.... Too funny....



[QUOTE=Brian Smith] I'm trying to muster a feigned look of surprise.

Nope. Can't do it.
LOL.


I wonder When will the players and parents involved will be arrested and when the IRS will be paying them a visit?
Last Edited: 9/27/2017 2:03:32 PM by Ohio69
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Mike Coleman
9/27/2017 2:02 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
My friend who works at adidas is worried this could eventually bring down the entire company. Probably far-fetched, people will still buy shoes, but still.

When you had boosters illegally funneling money, they banned those boosters. When the shoe corporations illegally funnel money, will they ban the shoe companies? Louisville is supposed to be getting paid $160 million by adidas.

Right now the media seems to be focused on those accepting bribes and kickbacks. But bribery is a two-way street.
With the cost outlays that Adidas America has out there right now, this could damage them in the domestic marketplace that they have made many strides in the past 10 years. As for "illegally funneling money", have I missed something? As of yet I do not believe that any institution has been accused of any illegal activities, only coaches and handlers.

The AAU circuit mentioned earlier could get a serious blow, and I personally hope this happens.
Jimmy Gatto was arrested. He is director of global sports marketing at Adidas.

I'm sure the FBI will soon seek access to his phone records, emails, etc., if they don't have it already. They will investigate to see if this alleged corruption/money laundering was widespread within the company.

(Note: when I mentioned illegally, I guess I was juxtaposing previous NCAA violations against current criminal allegations. I assume the NCAA will find these actions against bylaws, but haven't really looked into that)
Last Edited: 9/27/2017 2:05:38 PM by Mike Coleman
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OU_Country
9/27/2017 2:37 PM
Mike Decourcy piece on this topic:

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/college-...


It really leads you to think about recruiting, and how deep this goes. And my gut feeling is, if it's supposedly this bad in basketball, what is it like in P5 football?
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rpbobcat
9/27/2017 3:18 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Be interesting to be a fly on the wall in the athletic department right about know.

I wonder what kind of "escape clause" is in our contract.
We are not escaping anywhere as long as the dollars are still on the table. I'm sure compliance is making sure coaches are aware of the rules, and that the University legal team will be going over do's and dont's as well.
Money or not,if this thing blows up in Adidas's face,do we really want to have our teams wearing gear with their logo ?

Then again, if it does blow up,we could make money selling Adidas gear as "collector's items".
Last Edited: 9/27/2017 3:19:42 PM by rpbobcat
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Mike Coleman
9/27/2017 3:34 PM
Sonny Johnson just put on twitter there are normally 7 or 8 college coaches in his gym but none today. Guess it's a national day of document shredding.
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OU_Country
9/27/2017 4:35 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
Be interesting to be a fly on the wall in the athletic department right about know.

I wonder what kind of "escape clause" is in our contract.
We are not escaping anywhere as long as the dollars are still on the table. I'm sure compliance is making sure coaches are aware of the rules, and that the University legal team will be going over do's and dont's as well.
Money or not,if this thing blows up in Adidas's face,do we really want to have our teams wearing gear with their logo ?

Then again, if it does blow up,we could make money selling Adidas gear as "collector's items".
I'm assuming there's some kind of out for a situation like this?
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OU_Country
9/27/2017 4:37 PM
Mike Coleman wrote:expand_more
Sonny Johnson just put on twitter there are normally 7 or 8 college coaches in his gym but none today. Guess it's a national day of document shredding.
Your comment just led me to wonder: does this ultimately end up with some high school coaches being involved as well? I'm not suggesting Sonny would be one, but your post made me consider that.
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Buckeye to Bobcat
9/27/2017 4:51 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Sonny Johnson just put on twitter there are normally 7 or 8 college coaches in his gym but none today. Guess it's a national day of document shredding.
Your comment just led me to wonder: does this ultimately end up with some high school coaches being involved as well? I'm not suggesting Sonny would be one, but your post made me consider that.
Depends.....if a HS coach is heavily involved in the AAU Circuit with a particular team, you better believe they are.

Strap in for the names that come out of this investigation. Because the Adidas folks are going to bring their Nike counterparts down when it's all said and done.
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BillyTheCat
9/27/2017 5:00 PM
Kansas basketball offices were raided today, seizing computers, and Nike Youth Sports has been served subpoenas for financial records. This shoe has yet to fully drop.

As for the NCAA, incoming athletes will fall under their influence, but lots of this involves players who entered the draft after playing.
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giacomo
9/27/2017 5:18 PM
You would think Chuck Person would have enough coin to not get involved in this sort of thing.
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Jeff McKinney
9/27/2017 6:06 PM
Mike Coleman wrote:expand_more
Sonny Johnson just put on twitter there are normally 7 or 8 college coaches in his gym but none today. Guess it's a national day of document shredding.
LOL
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cbus cat fan
9/27/2017 8:08 PM
Billy the Cat, I am afraid you are right. The shoes haven't even begun to drop. While football could become involved, my guess is that this is more a basketball problem because of the AAU/Athletic outfitters and even high school coaches link. We have 300+ Division I programs. The programs named are probably only the beginning of this scandal. I hate to see where this ends up.
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bobcatsquared
9/27/2017 8:25 PM
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I hate to see where this ends up.
I look forward to seeing where this ends up. Long overdue and hopefully these schools get what they deserve.

Watching ND compete against the likes of Louisville and Miami-Fla. once or twice a year the past few years always left me wondering how Brey had his student-athletes capable of competing (and winning their fair share of games) against teams made up of athletes that were at their respective schools because of some ill-gotten benefits.
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Buckeye to Bobcat
9/27/2017 9:15 PM
What is the Illinois Message Board name? Five bucks says each one of them are calling in to the tip line for Kansas....I've personally heard too many stories of how Kansas would come in with $100,000 bags to get kids out of Chicago.
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Alan Swank
9/27/2017 9:34 PM
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Am I the only one who suddenly lost excitement about Ohio being an "Adidas school"?
Adidas way over paid for our contract. That's a fact. I'll hold on to my outdated Bobcatwear to see how this plays out. If a is guilty, I'm not buying their stuff.
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cbus cat fan
9/27/2017 10:20 PM
Bobcatsquared, if I wasn't clear I think you should know that I hate to see where the sport (college basketball) goes in general as this scandal unfolds. My college basketball memories goes as far back as the early and mid 70s. I vividly remember watching the Irish knocking off Bill Walton and the vaunted Bruins in South Bend in 1974. My two favorite sports are college football and college basketball. Sadly, the entire college basketball world could suffer because of this, and that is a depressing thought; the guilty won't be the only ones who suffer, so will the innocent.
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OUPride
9/27/2017 10:48 PM
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Kentucky fans are ecstatic about this, due to the implications to Louisville. However, they are probably the last ones who would want people to start taking an in depth look at recruiting practices.
Correctomundo, Ringo. Calipari's entire career has been built around pulling blue chip kids out of the Chicago Public League. Nobody consistently gets the top kids out of the Chicago Public League without bags of cash being exchanged. And that goes for Coach K too.
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OhioCatFan
9/27/2017 11:32 PM
OUPride wrote:expand_more
Kentucky fans are ecstatic about this, due to the implications to Louisville. However, they are probably the last ones who would want people to start taking an in depth look at recruiting practices.
Correctomundo, Ringo. Calipari's entire career has been built around pulling blue chip kids out of the Chicago Public League. Nobody consistently gets the top kids out of the Chicago Public League without bags of cash being exchanged. And that goes for Coach K too.
While I certainly have no hard evidence to prove this, I've always thought that Calipari was a dishonorable man. His tenure as coach at UMass seems to be at least circumstantial evidence of a man who plays things fast and loose.
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OhioCatFan
9/27/2017 11:52 PM

This article in the NYT ends with this quote: The complaints announced Tuesday also included tantalizing clues indicating that what was alleged is merely the tip of the iceberg. Dawkins, for example, urged that the payment to a player’s family be increased because one of Adidas’s rivals was “coming in with a higher number.”   What other competitor could it be?  Nike, perhaps? I do realize that UA was mentioned in some stories, so perhaps that's who it is.  I certainly hope that at least soms of these companies were playing this straight.  

Last Edited: 9/27/2017 11:54:11 PM by OhioCatFan
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bobcatsquared
9/28/2017 6:25 AM
cbus cat fan wrote:expand_more
Bobcatsquared, if I wasn't clear I think you should know that I hate to see where the sport (college basketball) goes in general as this scandal unfolds. My college basketball memories goes as far back as the early and mid 70s. I vividly remember watching the Irish knocking off Bill Walton and the vaunted Bruins in South Bend in 1974. My two favorite sports are college football and college basketball. Sadly, the entire college basketball world could suffer because of this, and that is a depressing thought; the guilty won't be the only ones who suffer, so will the innocent.
Great memories for me, as well. Going back a few years further, two of my older brothers periodically remind me of them sitting in the front row behind the basket at the Athletic and Convocation Center on the South Bend campus with Austin Carr driving into their laps. I was in St. John Arena on the OSU campus a few years later when freshman Adrian Dantley led the Irish over the Buckeyes.
Like you, I'm a college football/basketball fan for nearly half-a-century. My love for these sports has definitely diminished over the past decade or two and I look forward to those deserving programs to get whatever punishment the FBI can/will deliver. Call me cynical, but unlike you, I will have no feelings of depression.
Last Edited: 9/28/2017 6:26:28 AM by bobcatsquared
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100%Cat
9/28/2017 8:00 AM
All the mentions of Chicago kinda makes me wonder what the odds are that the former Illinois staff (current Akron staff) could get caught up in this...
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