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Posted: 4/30/2022 3:18 PM
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I am not sure I care for where college athletics are headed.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/3...

Threats of transfer because of wanting more NIL money? Uggh...
I agree. One can no longer call this amateur athletics.
Why not? The schools have nothing to do with this, cannot negotiate contracts, and contracts are by law prohibited to be based on production.
What you say is theoretically true, but it sort of reminds me of 19th Century “ringers,” where an outsider paid someone to play in a college game. Sometimes the player wasn’t even a student at the school, just some hired dude off the local YMCA team or something. Today, these kids have to be enrolled in school, but from some of the statements I’ve seen education seems a rather secondary pursuit. And, you know that they’ll be cheating and that some coaches will line up contracts for their players, or have one of their assistants to do it, or talk to the local car dealer and get it done. This is a rabbit hole. I guess we’ll find out where the bottom is sooner or later.
In the core men's sports, education has been secondary for many for quite some time. And you cannot legislate morality.
Right. It's just that coaches used to only have to pressure profs into changing grades or enroll their dimwit players in sham courses that were easy to pass. Now programs have to round up boosters and others who are willing to pony up more cash to keep a player from transferring. They've had to do this with some coaches for years, so now some players are sidling up to the trough. It'll be interesting to see how this affects team "chemistry."
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Posted: 5/1/2022 10:15 AM
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Sources: Pitt star Jordan Addison expected to transfer to USC

He was offered an NIL deal in the millions. He didn’t enter the transfer portal, so they think something is fishy.
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Posted: 5/1/2022 9:48 PM
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Sources: Pitt star Jordan Addison expected to transfer to USC

He was offered an NIL deal in the millions. He didn’t enter the transfer portal, so they think something is fishy.
The whole new college athletic paradigm is fishy.
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Posted: 5/4/2022 10:29 AM
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And now we have this: https://www.si.com/college/pittsburgh/news/more-details-p...

Being "recruited" to USC with offers of a massive NIL deal.
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I never really understood the desire to have big markets during the shuffle of conferences, similar to the Big 10 pursuing Rutgers for the NY market. I don't think that the residents of NY really care about Rutgers one bit and the days of cable packages in areas are going by the wayside.

However, now seems like where larger markets will have a decidedly larger advantage. Even in small conferences, Buffalo would have more NIL opportunities than likely an Athens athlete. Same with Toledo or even Kent over us. In the bigger conferences, Miami has an advantage over Virginia Tech (Blacksburg). Oregon, with its connections to Nike, seem poised to be a monster in the new landscape.
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Posted: 5/4/2022 5:54 PM
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Not sure why Mark Sears left...he had an NIL deal with Hubs Peanuts lol I'm not kidding.

"I’m Excited to partner with @hubspeanuts. They are a small family owned business and use the best peanuts grown in Virginia and the Carolinas, and are simply the best peanuts I’ve ever had. They are a perfect snack before or after a game. Use my code SEARS1 for 15 percent the link in my bio."

Obviously looking for bigger and better opportunities. They are really good peanuts though.
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Posted: 5/4/2022 7:21 PM
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I never really understood the desire to have big markets during the shuffle of conferences, similar to the Big 10 pursuing Rutgers for the NY market. I don't think that the residents of NY really care about Rutgers one bit and the days of cable packages in areas are going by the wayside.

However, now seems like where larger markets will have a decidedly larger advantage. Even in small conferences, Buffalo would have more NIL opportunities than likely an Athens athlete. Same with Toledo or even Kent over us. In the bigger conferences, Miami has an advantage over Virginia Tech (Blacksburg). Oregon, with its connections to Nike, seem poised to be a monster in the new landscape.
The Big Ten really didn't and probably still doesn't give a sh*t about Rutgers, or Maryland for that matter. They did care about the number of cable subscribers that the New York City and DC areas brought and the fees that subscription paid the Big Ten Network. It was never about whether NYC cared about Rutgers. It was about getting the subscription packages. Now that a lot of people are cutting cable, if realignment hadn't happened then I guarantee they'd be looking in a totally different direction. Probably in the direction of South Bend (if the ACC hadn't already grabbed ND at this point).

Now it's all about total eyeballs. Who's gonna drive the biggest bus in conference play to create more opportunities for streaming/ad revenue, etc. Hence you get Texas and OU to the SEC. They didn't go out and get OU because Norman, OK is a huge market.
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Posted: 5/4/2022 10:03 PM
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From what everyone is saying, all the conferences are looking to make a buck. It’s not surprising the players have their hand out.
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Posted: 5/5/2022 6:42 AM
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No idea you felt that way, giacomo.
Last Edited: 5/5/2022 6:42:57 AM by bobcatsquared
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Posted: 5/5/2022 7:35 AM
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Rutgers Boosters just announced the creation of an NIL "Collective" (Knights of the Raritan) to promote NIL opportunities for Rutgers Atheltes.

The story is on www.nj.com
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Posted: 5/5/2022 9:04 AM
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GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
I never really understood the desire to have big markets during the shuffle of conferences, similar to the Big 10 pursuing Rutgers for the NY market. I don't think that the residents of NY really care about Rutgers one bit and the days of cable packages in areas are going by the wayside.

However, now seems like where larger markets will have a decidedly larger advantage. Even in small conferences, Buffalo would have more NIL opportunities than likely an Athens athlete. Same with Toledo or even Kent over us. In the bigger conferences, Miami has an advantage over Virginia Tech (Blacksburg). Oregon, with its connections to Nike, seem poised to be a monster in the new landscape.
The Big Ten really didn't and probably still doesn't give a sh*t about Rutgers, or Maryland for that matter. They did care about the number of cable subscribers that the New York City and DC areas brought and the fees that subscription paid the Big Ten Network. It was never about whether NYC cared about Rutgers. It was about getting the subscription packages. Now that a lot of people are cutting cable, if realignment hadn't happened then I guarantee they'd be looking in a totally different direction. Probably in the direction of South Bend (if the ACC hadn't already grabbed ND at this point).

Now it's all about total eyeballs. Who's gonna drive the biggest bus in conference play to create more opportunities for streaming/ad revenue, etc. Hence you get Texas and OU to the SEC. They didn't go out and get OU because Norman, OK is a huge market.
The NIL gives Rutgers more relevance than they've had since Ray Rice.

Sure they're atrocious - but if you're looking to simply cash in - even if businesses don't care about you, generally, there is a pool of 8 million people. If 1% of people DO care... 80,000 opportunities. 80,000 car lots. 80,000 insurance photo ops.

Hard to compete with that if your desire is to get some easy cash.

I honestly think in two-three years we might see Rutgers in the middle of the road rather than a doormat.
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Posted: 5/5/2022 5:54 PM
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Wichita State just fired its AD because he hadn't started raising NIL money. https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/33856428/w...
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Posted: 5/6/2022 7:29 PM
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/ncaa-name-image-likeness-col...

Big coin for Kansas Jayhawks hoopers.
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Posted: 5/7/2022 8:28 AM
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When the NIL stuff first started it was all about the NCAA and the schools racking in the money and the players getting nothing. Lot's of outrage over the exploitation of the student-athlete.

Now in the age of NIL some players have an opportunity to make some money, sometimes lots of money. But the core issue has not been addressed. The NCAA and the schools are still raking in the money and not sharing it with the players.

Where's the outrage now?
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Posted: 5/7/2022 10:28 AM
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When the NIL stuff first started it was all about the NCAA and the schools racking in the money and the players getting nothing. Lot's of outrage over the exploitation of the student-athlete.

Now in the age of NIL some players have an opportunity to make some money, sometimes lots of money. But the core issue has not been addressed. The NCAA and the schools are still raking in the money and not sharing it with the players.

Where's the outrage now?
Selective outrage . . . it's a national pastime
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When the NIL stuff first started it was all about the NCAA and the schools racking in the money and the players getting nothing. Lot's of outrage over the exploitation of the student-athlete.

Now in the age of NIL some players have an opportunity to make some money, sometimes lots of money. But the core issue has not been addressed. The NCAA and the schools are still raking in the money and not sharing it with the players.

Where's the outrage now?
Respectfully, I think you might be misinterpreting what a lot of people felt and accidentally conflating two issues.

Personally, my thoughts on the NIL are that it's likely to have a negative impact on college sports, but that I don't particularly care, because I just can't really find a rational way to restrict somebody's ability to earn money on their talents. They've worked hard to get where they are, and it just feels morally wrong to me to say they can't earn money in service of my enjoying college basketball more.

The NIL seems distinct to me from the fact that the NCAA is raking in cash. That issue still exists, and I don't think folks' sentiment about the NCAA has changed. Where are you seeing that?
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I agree. I really believe the NIL and transfer portal are being used to delay the players becoming paid employees of the schools.
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Posted: 5/8/2022 7:50 AM
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IceCat76 wrote:expand_more
When the NIL stuff first started it was all about the NCAA and the schools racking in the money and the players getting nothing. Lot's of outrage over the exploitation of the student-athlete.

Now in the age of NIL some players have an opportunity to make some money, sometimes lots of money. But the core issue has not been addressed. The NCAA and the schools are still raking in the money and not sharing it with the players.

Where's the outrage now?
Share what?? 25 athletic departments made money. And Title IX dictates that these schools who receive federal funds must have equal opportunities for female athletes. I'm all ears on how you share this "great wealth" with players while maintaining the requirement for female opportunities.
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Posted: 5/8/2022 7:52 AM
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I agree. I really believe the NIL and transfer portal are being used to delay the players becoming paid employees of the schools.
How are you paying players when departments do not make money, and you have to pay every athlete, from the swimmer, to the football player? I am all ears to your solution to that problem.
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I’m not sure where this is going, but that has been floated out there. It only works for the P5, as you point out. I think they likely break away and form a super conference/ league, while the rest revert back to some D3 model.
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Posted: 5/8/2022 2:40 PM
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I’m not sure where this is going, but that has been floated out there. It only works for the P5, as you point out. I think they likely break away and form a super conference/ league, while the rest revert back to some D3 model.
I believe BTC was trying to point out that this model doesn’t even work for most P5s. Maybe it works for O$U and Alabama!
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If you include all sports it only works at the top third of the P5. Something has got to give when mid major’s lose all their talent to the portal. We have a problem with NIL because we are in a podunk market.
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Posted: 5/9/2022 6:51 AM
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If you include all sports it only works at the top third of the P5. Something has got to give when mid major’s lose all their talent to the portal. We have a problem with NIL because we are in a podunk market.
Since the group of Rutgers Boosters announced their " Knights of the Raritan" NIL "collective" there have been several articles about the whole NIL situation.

The best were on nj.com, but they have a "paywall".

The articles talk about the NIL as a way to direct donations to an immediate, tangible result.

The articles make clear that goal of "Knights of the Raritan" is to entice athletes to Rutgers, with guaranteed NIL money.

Based on the articles, NIL's are kind of the Wild Wild West right now.

One question that's being asked it, if the athlete doesn't live up to
expectations, does the NIL go away ?
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Posted: 5/9/2022 8:12 AM
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If you include all sports it only works at the top third of the P5. Something has got to give when mid major’s lose all their talent to the portal. We have a problem with NIL because we are in a podunk market.
Since the group of Rutgers Boosters announced their " Knights of the Raritan" NIL "collective" there have been several articles about the whole NIL situation.

The best were on nj.com, but they have a "paywall".

The articles talk about the NIL as a way to direct donations to an immediate, tangible result.

The articles make clear that goal of "Knights of the Raritan" is to entice athletes to Rutgers, with guaranteed NIL money.

Based on the articles, NIL's are kind of the Wild Wild West right now.

One question that's being asked it, if the athlete doesn't live up to
expectations, does the NIL go away ?
And the NCAA has no legal ability to limit this wild wild west.

To your question, does the NIL go away? That would be an interesting legal question, as NIL (by law), can only be tied to Name, Image and Likeness. Even the legal codes that allow this, prohibit playing time, production, etc.,
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Posted: 5/9/2022 8:16 AM
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If you include all sports it only works at the top third of the P5. Something has got to give when mid major’s lose all their talent to the portal. We have a problem with NIL because we are in a podunk market.
All sports? probably less than 5%, much less 1/3rd. Remember there are 130 DI Football teams, 353 DI basketball teams. Furthermore, there are 306 DII and 438 DIII schools, all of which are allowed NIL deals.
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