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Andrew Ruck
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Posted: 8/17/2010 10:42 PM
Steve is free to do whatever makes him happy.  But this is comical.  You have to wonder if a 60 year old Steve Coleman looks back on this decision as a good thing.  I'm gonna go with "biggest regret of a lifetime"....But I could be wrong.

Peace out, Stevie Fresh.
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Posted: 8/17/2010 10:49 PM
Dave Chappelle as Lil John said it best " Whhhhhat?!?!"

The Stevie Taylor pick up looks even better now. but WOW. speechless.

p.s. I will say this though, if you had told me 6 months ago that would lose 3 of our 4 guards by the end of summer I would say please let the one survivor be Coop.
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Posted: 8/17/2010 10:54 PM
Coleman probably is following in the footsteps of Joaquin Phoenix who was a successful actor but now is 100% rapper:

He is currently the subject of a documentary directed by his friend and brother-in-law Casey Affleck; the documentary will follow him as he moves to a career making hip-hop music while managed by rap icon Sean "Diddy" Combs. Filming began in late 2008.[24]


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Posted: 8/17/2010 11:01 PM
LOVE...you called the Sayles returning scenario months ago. Props there.

Similarly, I'm calling the Coleman to Jacksonville U or North Florida in one or two years to finish out his basketball eligibility.

Yes Stevie Fresh is free to do as he chooses, and best of luck to him. Seriously. I am scratching my head, though, why someone wouldn't see a free ride to college and all that goes with it -- access to production facilities, a local university-sponsored hiphop association, an alumni network, etc... -- as helpful in developing skills that would lead to success in the music industry.
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Posted: 8/17/2010 11:05 PM
He obviously never talked to Jesty Beatz.

www.youtube.com/watch

I agree with Arkley..."ouch"
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Posted: 8/17/2010 11:19 PM
Freeka freeka fresh....word.
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Posted: 8/18/2010 12:46 AM
Unbelievable.  It makes you wonder if there is more to the story that we don't know about.  You would think that John Groce would do everything possible to talk some sense into this kid and stop him from making a huge mistake.  Not just for the program's benefit, but this kid is throwing away his life here.  Yes, he has the freedom to make his own choices.  But, like many said already, this is a very stupid move and he is going to look back many years from now with a huge regret over this one.  There are many wanna-be-musicians out there, who are also chasing the same dream, but have little to fall back on.  Coleman is going to college for FREE and could be making $ in Europe leagues after 2 more years or he could go after that music career while having a degree to fall back on...

I wish the best for Coleman and hopes he becomes the next Kanye, but really dude...WAKE UP!  Hopefully, Groce is just giving the kid some time to realize what opportunities he is throwing away.
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Posted: 8/18/2010 4:20 AM
Ohio Hoops wrote:expand_more
Want to hear Coleman (aka Stevie Fresh) rap? http://1ststophiphop.com/?p=3671


I'll make sure to "light up to this."

Of course these days that probably means the emergency candles I keep for power outages...


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Posted: 8/18/2010 7:54 AM
Props to the Love for Stephen A Smith type reporting.

Horrible horrible decision. Its laughable. Not only that, his music is pure crap. Its literally some of the worst "music" I have ever heard. He'll be selling cd's out of the back of his trunk in Cocoa Beach for the next 2 years. Way to go Stevie you've hit the big time. Doesn't this kid have any adult influence at home who could have talked some sense into him?
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Posted: 8/18/2010 8:43 AM
Doc Bobcat wrote:expand_more
Not taking sides or arguing with anyone, but Coleman is listed on the recruiting board as a shooting gaurd. Regardless, I do believe either Ricardo or Nick will be perfectly capable of spelling DJ for a few minutes each game.


Doc, that is what Love was talking about and you go calling him out.  The guy made a reference to his source and still called him on it.  Oh well, can't be too hard on you since we went to school together ;)


Now I'm confused....of course we went to school together.....this is an Ohio forum isn't it or have I entered some Hot Tub Time Machine.....or maybe it was Portsmouth Clay?  Nah.  OUP?......maybe.


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Posted: 8/18/2010 8:47 AM
As usual I will step over a line here with a different view, but after listening to his music and seeing the titles and the lyrics.  This move could be the first and a big step in getting the Mary Jane out of the program, and keeping some younger kids away from the influences of some older kids who were caught up in some of this.
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Posted: 8/18/2010 9:12 AM
After listening to a few of his songs, while I can say they won't be making it on my ipod (too many f-bombs and n-words for my taste), my mother felt the same way that many of you have posted when she bounded up the stairs in1969 to rip Early Steppenwolf off what amounted to my Kenner Close and Play after she heard John Kay belting out the lyrics to The Pusher.  Imposing musical tastes in place of youthful dreams is a very dangerous thing.  Check out the lyrics to Harry Chapin's song Flowers  if you want a taste of what will impostion can do to a young mind.  Passion is the key word here and obviously Steve has it for music.  Whether it's to be a basketball player for a few years or a musician or a chef, denying the right to try it is just plain wrong.  Life will go on for us Bobcat basketball fans.  Let's not let our selfishness for a successful team cloud thoughts of reason.

Best of luck to Steve and his new career.  Maybe you can do a rap version of The Pusher.
Last Edited: 8/18/2010 9:39:27 AM by Alan Swank
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Posted: 8/18/2010 9:23 AM
I'll say this: When listening to this music, I can't formulate a cogent sentence.

Now that the music has ended and I can see clearly through the fog of my extinguished soundtrack, I will wish Coleman the best of luck. I hope he finds what he is looking for.

As for those who pontificate about throwing a life away, please find something with your hands and get a grip. Do you have any evidence that chasing basketball as a means of support is a sure fire career path? Because everything I've ever seen indicates that a very small percentage of people succeed. Who are we to say that quitting a business in which a career can end with the twist of a knee is a worse choice than spinning turntables? And give me a break about free college, I could go on for about 5000 words about the fallacy in that.

We have no proof that he's making a bad life decision beyond the fact that we won't be buying his music. We're a bunch of old white guys. Did you ever think he'll target a different audience?
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Posted: 8/18/2010 9:24 AM
I could be wrong, but in the intro to Track 3 (Routin Stuntin), he says that he failed a drug test that day and then laughs.....no need for someone who laughs at that in OUs program
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Posted: 8/18/2010 9:25 AM
OH SWEET JEEBUS I AGREE WITH SWANK! HAFTA GO SHOWER NOW!
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Posted: 8/18/2010 9:52 AM
Anyone have more assurance that WOTS (Word on the Street), that Sayles will be part of the team.  The roster on OhioBobcats.com has been adjusted to reflect Coleman's departure and the addition of the freshman talent.  It does not have Sayles on the roster.  Did anyone see Sayles practing with the team, heard from Sayles about coming back, or does this represent wishful thinking?   
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Posted: 8/18/2010 9:54 AM
Pete - Some of us are just guessing that he will come to regret this.  We all said he is free to make his own choices and we wish him well.  My basis in thinking he will come to regret it:

1 - How many old men do you hear talking about how glad they are they quit (fill in the blank sport here)?  This is true even of being a so-so high school player, but even moreso when you can be an impact player at a nationally recognized program.  His chances at a wage earning pro career is secondary.  I'm almost certain he'll look back and wish he had stuck with basketball.
2 - The success rate of musicians is not good.  It's terrible, even for extremely talented individuals.  Regardless of what we think of his music, there is just a very slim chance he can make a career out of this.

These are 2 reasonable points in bringing up the reasonable prediction that he is making a mistake he will come to regret.  I could be wrong, and I hope I am.
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Posted: 8/18/2010 10:04 AM
Both Tunji and Reggie's twitters suggest that Asown is back.

After listening to his music, it's clear that Steven is exponentially more talented and more likely to make money in basketball than in music. That said, when you consider how proud he is that he still smokes, I'm fine with him leaving.
Last Edited: 8/18/2010 10:06:46 AM by shabamon
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Posted: 8/18/2010 10:13 AM
Actually I take what I said back. Upon listening to his cd again I didn't realize he was working with industry legends such as DJ Hye Quality and Da Kid Glass.
Last Edited: 8/18/2010 10:15:29 AM by bobcat28
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Posted: 8/18/2010 10:26 AM
crackerbaby00 wrote:expand_more
I could be wrong, but in the intro to Track 3 (Routin Stuntin), he says that he failed a drug test that day and then laughs.....no need for someone who laughs at that in OUs program


And sadly so, that is a real life situation of which he speaks.  :(

Al, one difference between Harry Chapin and Coleman, is that Harry Chapin had a voice, and I am not nearly as critical of the lyrics as I am the sound of the music.
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Posted: 8/18/2010 10:58 AM
Next stop:  train wreck.
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Posted: 8/18/2010 11:17 AM
John C. Wanamaker wrote:expand_more
Clay Panthers all the way baby! 


Well, what do you know? That makes 3 of us... but of course, I'm MUCH younger than you geezers.

As far as Stevie Fresh goes, I'm so stunned I can't even come up with a smartass remark.
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Posted: 8/18/2010 11:31 AM
To me it sounds like he chose the cheeba over b-ball.  What doesn't make any sense to me as a fellow musician is if he was really serious about getting in the music industry, why would he leave a place where he was majoring in Audio Production with amazing recording facilities for a huge unknown?  (I've worked in their studios.  They are pretty sick.)  He could have worked in pro level studios for the next three years while improving his b-ball game for a potential pro career (Europe or otherwise).  Now he'll likely be a struggling musician working in basement studios and no other potential career to fall back on.

The only way this would make any sense is if he had a bunch of buzz and was selling 10,000 cd's out of the trunk of his car or already had some sort of arrangement in place.  Take for example rapper/producer Sam Adams.  I know most of you probably haven't heard of him, but he's a soccer player from a small college in Boston who at one point this year had the #1 album on iTunes.  Over 700,000 plays on Myspace and millions of views on Youtube later, he's still in college pursuing an education with no type of music deal.

The point is, it's extremely tough to make it in today's music industry.  Literally just about anyone can get some gear and cut some decent tracks.  There's way more to it than that.  You absolutely have to have something to fall back on.  A degree in Audio Production and four years of basketball at a D1 program would definitely qualify as that.  I hope everything works out for Steven, but this really doesn't seem like a wise decision. 
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Posted: 8/18/2010 11:45 AM
Couple things:

1. The music isn't up my alley at all. In fact, I told a fellow poster on Monday night that it was some of the worst music I'd ever heard.

HOWEVER...

2. I feel like Mary Steenburgen in Step Brothers...and can definitely recognize the entrepreneurial side of Stevie Fresh. Whether the music fits our tastes or not is secondary. The kid took the time and effort to lay down 20 tracks with some thought, effort, creativity, and enginuity. He clearly has a passion for the music, enough so that he put all this energy into completing the project. Maybe his passion for basketball and/or school just doesn't match his musical ambitions.

I was excited for a big year out of Coleman this year. I'm disappointed he's not coming back. Allegedly, he wasn't helping with the Mary Jane issue on the team. However, I have to give the kid credit for pursuing his passion.

If it was one of my kids doing the same thing, we would have to have a long talk and understanding of the short/mid/long term plan...but I hope I would be able to see his side of things and help him make a salient decision. This seems hasty, but I'm not gonna blast the kid if the passion for hoops just wasn't there.
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Posted: 8/18/2010 11:57 AM
This thought just crossed my mind.

A person who enjoys certain things would be wise to take a free trip to The Bahamas.

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