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Posted: 10/29/2010 3:47 PM
Flomo, I don't see any significant student attendance issues with any of the first 4 Sunday home games. The Wooster game is not feasible for Saturday with the football game and Halloween. The Texas A&M on Nov. 21 is the weekend before finals probably about not a big student draw with either it being Sat or Sunday, the students are gone for the Dec. 12 IUPUI and the Jan 2 game with BobbyMo is students coming back from the Holidays break, my feeling with that one being that there may more students on campus Sunday than there would have been on Saturday to even draw from. As for the Miami game, well hell it's Miami. The students have always shown a pretty good propensity to show up for Miami irregardless of the date and time.
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Posted: 10/29/2010 3:55 PM
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You completely missed the point, Love.  No one is questioning the quality of the schedule (at least in this thread), and no one is suggesting that we should be throwing down scheduling ultimatums to our non-conference opponents.  Rather, the question is simply whether we could have preserved the existing lineup of opponents while changing a couple of the Sunday games to Saturday time slots. 

Why does it matter?  Because the difference in our attendance between Saturday and Sunday games is stark.  Last year we averaged 7,731 fans in four Saturday games, versus 4,475 fans for the two Sunday games.  In 08-09, we drew 6,084 for our four Saturday home games, versus 5,211 in three Sunday games.  In 07-08, we averaged 7,051 on Saturdays, but drew only 4,139 for our lone Sunday game (Senior Day vs. Buffalo).  In 06-07, it was 4,803 for five Saturday games, versus 3,582 for our one Sunday game (admittedly a November stinker against Yale).  That is a significant difference in attendance, meaning that we miss significant ticket revenue and fan base building opportunities by playing on Sunday rather than Saturday.

The five Sunday games this year are:

Sun., Oct 31 2010 - Wooster (exhibition)
Sun., Nov 21 2010 - Texas A&M - Corpus Christi
Sun., Dec 12 2010 - IUPUI
Sun., Jan 2 2011 - Robert Morris
Sun., Jan 9 2011 - Miami (OH)

For some of those games, a Saturday date obviously would not have been practical.  Wooster couldn't be scheduled for tomorrow without either conflicting with the football game in the afternoon, or Halloween at night.  Similarly, it isn't practical to play Robert Morris on New Year's Day. 

But what about the other three?  Our game against TA&M-CC falls between a Wednesday night game in Stillwater, OK, and a Tuesday night game in Lawrence, KS on their schedule.  Would they have been willing to play in the Convo on Saturday rather than Sunday?  Maybe, maybe not, but hopefully we at least inquired.  Similarly, IUPUI plays in Columbus the Thursday night before our game.  Would they have been open to playing a Saturday game to reduce their travel time, or did they want the extra day off?  Again, I don't know, but I hope we asked.  Meanwhile, for the Miami (OH) game, both schools have a full week off before opening MAC play, while all but one other MAC contest will be played on that Saturday, rather than Sunday.  Why are we playing on Sunday? 

Again, it's certainly possible that TA&M-CC and IUPUI would have balked at playing on Saturday.  In that case, I would agree that a Sunday game is fine.  However, if either school was open to playing a day earlier, there really is no excuse in us not taking them up on it. 

And there is simply no excuse at all for the Miami game falling on Sunday rather than Saturday.  That is perhaps our marquee home game of the season, and we are shooting ourselves in the foot by needlessly competing with the NFL, Saturday night hangovers, church, etc.  Do you really think that the difference between Saturday and Sunday makes zero difference in terms of attendance or fan interest for that game?

Yes, in an ideal world our fan base would turn out in droves anyway.  But you know as well as I do that we are still facing an uphill battle when it comes to fan interest and commitment.  We need to be doing everything within our power to accommodate as many fans as possible.  Why make the process of expanding our fan base any more difficult than it already is?



Bingo.  What Flomo said.

Love...I understand separation of church and state and that a public institution can't base scheduling of games based on the preferences of a particular sectarian religious group.  I'm just being PRACTICAL here.  It could really hurt our attendance.  Also, I did add a personal note about why the scheduling impacts me personally, but I'm not using that as a reason to justify my opposition to five Sunday games.  

BTW, unless hindered by some unforeseen personal circumstances, I do plan to be in the Convo for all 20 home games.   
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Posted: 10/29/2010 3:59 PM
BobcatSports wrote:expand_more
Flomo, I don't see any significant student attendance issues with any of the first 4 Sunday home games. The Wooster game is not feasible for Saturday with the football game and Halloween. The Texas A&M on Nov. 21 is the weekend before finals probably about not a big student draw with either it being Sat or Sunday, the students are gone for the Dec. 12 IUPUI and the Jan 2 game with BobbyMo is students coming back from the Holidays break, my feeling with that one being that there may more students on campus Sunday than there would have been on Saturday to even draw from. As for the Miami game, well hell it's Miami. The students have always shown a pretty good propensity to show up for Miami irregardless of the date and time.


It isn't just a student concern, but a general attendance concern.  How many people will elect to stay home and watch the NFL on Sunday, that might have headed down to the Convo had the game been held the day before?  I agree that it is probably a bigger issue when classes are in session, but even if we are losing a few hundred fans by scheduling on a Sunday, those are ticket sale losses that might have otherwise been avoided. 
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Posted: 10/29/2010 4:01 PM
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OHIO69 you couldn't be anymore wrong in my case. I have season tickets for both the Steelers and Bobcats and you'll find me in Athens in the Convo at every Sunday game. Making it to the weeknight games in Athens is far tougher for me, it's that work thing that keeps interfering for some reason.  


Very cool that you'll make it for the Sunday games.  I'm jealous about your Steelers season tickets.  That's the best NFL atmosphere I've witnessed -- with others being @ Patriots, Falcons, Ravens, and Lions. 

Not sure how I got something wrong.  All I said is I'll have more success getting people to come for a Saturday game than Sunday.  Don't think I mentioned weeknights at all.

Anyway, in terms of out-of-towner attendance, my opinion is Saturday > Sunday > Weeknight.

20 home games rocks.  Just don't like Sunday games is all.
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Posted: 10/29/2010 5:36 PM
Here's your real story:

2010-2011 Ohio basketball schedule boasts 11 weekend home games this season, up from 7 last year.
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Posted: 10/29/2010 7:33 PM
Good point, Alex.
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Posted: 11/1/2010 9:46 AM
OK...let's have some predictions for the three OOC Sunday home games:

Texas A&M/Corpus Christi
IUPUI
Robert Morris

We break 4000 on any of them and I'm surprised!
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Posted: 11/1/2010 9:56 AM
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OK...let's have some predictions for the three OOC Sunday home games:

Texas A&M/Corpus Christi
IUPUI
Robert Morris

We break 4000 on any of them and I'm surprised!


We just pulled in 2,500+ for WOOSTER on the Sunday after Halloween.  I'd be surprised if we don't break 4,000 for the real games...  A lot of students will still be here for Texas A&M/Corpus Christi, and with the buzz around this team I'd bet they find it the perfect excuse to leave Alden for awhile.

Edit:
AND Robert Morris is Winter move in day.  Hello parents.  Maybe we'll even be top 25 by then...  
Last Edited: 11/1/2010 9:59:22 AM by The Optimist
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Posted: 11/1/2010 10:25 AM

20 home games! and Kansas in Vegas!!

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Posted: 11/1/2010 10:36 AM
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And there is simply no excuse at all for the Miami game falling on Sunday rather than Saturday.  That is perhaps our marquee home game of the season, and we are shooting ourselves in the foot by needlessly competing with the NFL, Saturday night hangovers, church, etc.  Do you really think that the difference between Saturday and Sunday makes zero difference in terms of attendance or fan interest for that game?


The Miami game is going to be on TV, so that probably had something to do with when it was scheduled.
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Posted: 11/3/2010 3:29 PM
I think Flomo has the FACTS to back up the arguement that we should NOT be playing on Sunday.  By the way, Love, the Sunday games are mostly early in the schedule so it is not probable anybody would be traveling to Athens with a foot of snow on the ground.

Also, I'm a traditionalist from the 70's and I say the Saturday-Wednesday league thing makes sense.  It is predictable and it is not like we are on TV that much anyway during the week...Doing the same wthing with the OOC schedule just starts conditioning people to the days we play once the league schedule gets going. 
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Posted: 11/21/2010 10:34 PM
I'll be the first to admit that I was wrong.  I see the reported attendance was 4142 which is Greater Than 4000.  Keep it up fans!
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Posted: 11/22/2010 8:18 AM
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I'll be the first to admit that I was wrong.  I see the reported attendance was 4142 which is Greater Than 4000.  Keep it up fans!


Keep what up?  The entire lower bowl seats 3,000, if you put ever single fan into the lower bowl and bleachers there was no where near 3,000.  We are simply playing games with the numbers, and since students are free and we do not need to show any revenue from them or tickets sold, we can do whatever we want with the numbers.  Bottom line fan support was poor to say the least.
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Posted: 11/22/2010 11:51 AM
Well then, maybe numbers can lie.  I simply suggested earlier we would not get 4000 fans for any Sunday game and figured the 4000+ number in the box score proved me wrong.  Maybe I'm really still in the running!
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