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Jeff McKinney
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Posted: 10/25/2010 5:35 PM
I believe this is very detrimental to our schedule.  Why in the world are we playing FIVE home games on Sunday?...to my knowledge, no road games are played on Sunday.

Ridiculous!
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Posted: 10/25/2010 6:42 PM
I assume you're throwing in one exhibition game to come up with the 5 but regardless, I agree 100% with your take on this Jeff.  Sunday college basketball games rank right up there with Friday night college football games during high school football season.  To be fair though, maybe someone can enlighten us as to the value of playing these games on Sunday.
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Posted: 10/25/2010 6:48 PM
Interestingly, all but one is during the non-conference schedule, and the one MAC game is the very first one, so they all occur in the first half of the season.

I'm sure I'm in a minority, but I am much more likely to be able to attend a Sunday game. I wonder what attendance numbers are like for Sunday games? I know when I went to the Ohio game at Akron last year, it was pretty packed.

I also wonder if the thinking is that since fewer teams are playing, there is more attention on that game. Then again, all of these are while professional football is still going on.

It could just be based on travel arrangements for the visiting team.
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Posted: 10/25/2010 8:11 PM
Two Sunday games during college football season, two Sunday games during student's winter break, and the final Sunday game is on TV.

I can't explain the winter break games.  I'd rather go up against the NFL then college football in Ohio, and if doing the Miami game on a Sunday was the only way it was getting on TV, I'm okay with that too.
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Posted: 10/26/2010 11:07 AM
Yeah, I'm definitely open to someone explaining to me why we are playing these Sunday games...

Guess I have a personal ax to grind on this because I'm busy with church activities on Sunday and it's something of a personal inconvenience to arrange my schedule to attend the games.  But I understand the game scheduling can't be done to accomodate a few peoples' personal schedules.

I also don't think the Sunday games fit the culture of OU and Athens as far as encouraging attendance.   
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Posted: 10/26/2010 12:26 PM
Sunday is spotlight day.  Well, a lot of top-notch ACC and Big10(12, 13...) games on those days.  Mebbe we're hoping to be in there.
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Posted: 10/26/2010 2:03 PM
Church, Homework, and Hangovers are 3 reasons why Sundays are bad.
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Posted: 10/26/2010 4:29 PM
Sundays are way better for me than any weeknight at 7.

The fact of the matter is you can't please everyone, and there are a lot of factors that play into the decisions.  We have 20 home game this year.  Even if you can't attend 5 on Sundays, you'll probably be able to make more games than many years past.
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Posted: 10/26/2010 4:48 PM
Not good for student attendance, either.

As I recall from days long, long ago, Sundays were reserved for two things - physical/psychic recovery from Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights and tutoring Bobcat Squared so he could (finally) pass the J-school grammar test.
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Posted: 10/26/2010 5:32 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
Not good for student attendance, either.

As I recall from days long, long ago, Sundays were reserved for two things - physical/psychic recovery from Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights and tutoring Bobcat Squared so he could (finally) pass the J-school grammar test.


Thanks for learning me my grammar.

I was going to remind SBH about Sunday church attendance, but I just remembered his policy of attending church back in our college days - Christmas, Easter and midterms and finals.
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Posted: 10/26/2010 6:27 PM
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Church, Homework, and Hangovers are 3 reasons why Sundays are bad.


Don't forget about your avatar...the NFL.  We play Miami the Sunday of the first round of the playoffs.  Correct?  Part of me is okay with the Bengals not making the playoffs in that case....I doubt we will see the rivalry atmosphere that we are accustomed to in the Convo on Jan 9.
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Posted: 10/26/2010 9:19 PM
Tell me this thread is a joke...you cannot seriously be complaining about a glut of weekend home games.

Someone get Roger Goodell on the horn and tell him to move all the NFL start times to Fridays. Then call John Swofford at the ACC and tell him to move his marquee ACC game to a different day.

Ridiculous.
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Posted: 10/27/2010 8:42 AM
Bobcat Love trying to tell someone not to complain?  Good grief.

I will have zero success getting out of town fellow alums to attend Sunday games.  Just doesn't work.  The guys from Cinci, Columbus, and Pittsburgh just aren't going to visit for a Sunday game.
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Posted: 10/27/2010 10:28 AM
we get 20 hom games this season (rare) and some of you complain about the sunday games...  gawdddddddddd
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Posted: 10/28/2010 3:36 PM
HighStreetHooligan wrote:expand_more
we get 20 hom games this season (rare) and some of you complain about the sunday games...  gawdddddddddd


Hey, I appreciate what the coaching staff and athletic dept have done to schedule 20 home games this season...an awesome accomplishment.  It's absolutely unusual for a midmajor to get that kind of schedule. 

My comments on Sunday have nothing to do with that at all. 
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Posted: 10/28/2010 5:56 PM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
Hey, I appreciate what the coaching staff and athletic dept have done to schedule 20 home games this season...an awesome accomplishment.  It's absolutely unusual for a midmajor to get that kind of schedule. 

My comments on Sunday have nothing to do with that at all. 


Agree. Akron is advertising on STO about 16 home games. Suckas.

Sidenote: Also Allie Laforce must be doing an internship with STO? She was sideline reporter for WMU/Crackron when I was watching DVR the other night of the TV MAC games.
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Posted: 10/28/2010 8:34 PM
mcbin wrote:expand_more
Sidenote: Also Allie Laforce must be doing an internship with STO? She was sideline reporter for WMU/Crackron when I was watching DVR the other night of the TV MAC games.
She's done stuff in the past with them (OHSAA basketball tournaments, etc.), and has been doing sideline for STO for the season.  I believe she'll be at the rest of STO's football games, as well.
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Posted: 10/28/2010 8:43 PM
anorris wrote:expand_more
Sidenote: Also Allie Laforce must be doing an internship with STO? She was sideline reporter for WMU/Crackron when I was watching DVR the other night of the TV MAC games.
She's done stuff in the past with them (OHSAA basketball tournaments, etc.), and has been doing sideline for STO for the season.  I believe she'll be at the rest of STO's football games, as well.


Pretty solid reporter. She understands MAC level football and if you can figure that out you can move onto the pro sports easily. Start with the pros and you may never understand college.
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Posted: 10/29/2010 9:36 AM
Ohio69 is right on.  If the University wants to increase alumni visits to basketball games Sunday should NOT be in anybody's thought process.  Some people in Cincinnati, Cleveland, Pitt, etc. actually still go to church on Sunday morning and will not make the trek to Athens for a game.  Throw in the student culture and i think you have a recipe for disaster attendance wise.  I much prefer Saturday afternoon or even evening games.  Heck, it's more fun and easier to take an hour or two off and get to a weeknite game than Sunday.

I'd love to hear the thought process on this one...I don't think any of these games are "National" TV games, so , why! 
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Posted: 10/29/2010 10:51 AM
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Heck, it's more fun and easier to take an hour or two off and get to a weeknite game than Sunday.


What kind of hashish are you smoking? It's an absolute bitch to get down to Athens on a weeknight in the winter for basketball games. I'll take Sunday games 100 times out of 100 over a Tuesday nighter.

If the question is attendance related, you will get a bunch more alums on a Sunday than you will on a weeknight, and that is proven based on some of the ridiculous attendance numbers I've seen the past couple years on weeknights.

Again, this thread is ridiculous. 20 home games. End it.
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:10 AM

I disagree, Love.  The question we should be asking ourselves is how to best maximize fan interest and attendance.  While I agree that more home games are better than fewer home games, and that weekend games are generally better than weeknight games, that does not mean that Saturday and Sunday games are both equally desirable.  There are a number of reasons why Saturday games are preferable, many of which have been stated in this thread. 

Of course there are sometimes valid reasons for scheduling games on Sundays.  In the case of some of the non-conference games, we may have needed to schedule the games on Sunday in order to accommodate the visiting team's schedule.  However, whenever we are given the choice, we should almost always schedule a game on Saturday rather than Sunday.

20 home games is great, no doubt.  But just because we have scheduled 20 home games does not necessarily mean that we have scheduled each of those games in a way that will maximize their benefit.  And as long as we are striving to expand our fan base, that is an issue that we should be open for discussion.

Last Edited: 10/29/2010 1:52:29 PM by Flomo-genized
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:17 AM
As an alum from Cleveland, I'd say the the Love is right on with this one. I don't go to church, but even if I did, when I drive to Athens for a weekend, I stay for the weekend. Even if I went to church, I'd do it somewhere in Athens after staying Saturday night. It also looks like most of these games are at 2 p.m., which means the excuse of church is bogus for Columbus alumni. Most church activities would be done with plenty of time for a drive down to Athens.

I guess I get that it's not ideal for certain individuals, but the whining seem absurd. Eiither make the effort and go or you don't -- just like any other day.
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Posted: 10/29/2010 11:37 AM
I'm so confused...

When it works for some people's arguments, we are the sisters of the poor when it comes to scheduling so we need to take any scraps thrown our way.

although...

When it works for other people's arguments, we should be re-scheduling our 20 home games to make sure it fits in with everyone's schedules and to maximize attendance. If Oakland and Valpo don't like it than they can go play someone else.

I'm on record, Groce, Fuss, and Co did a great job scheduling this year. 20 Home Games that I think will greatly help our RPI (some of the Non-Con opponents are going to surprise you people)...+ Kansas and Temple. It's your choice whether to attend or not, but they put a really nice schedule out there for you.

And also, I didn't want to be the first one to make the argument but the Recovering Journalist is 100% spot on...the games start at 2pm. You can easily have your church service and make it down to Athens from most points in Ohio. This Church argument holds no weight and even if it did...there is still separation of church and state in this country, no?...so does a public institution really need to schedule around some people's day of worship?

Other people's day of worship is Saturday until sundown. You don't hear them complaining about Saturday football games at 2pm. I'm sure there is some religion out there that forbids it's congregants from watching bad MAC football on Tuesdays...haven't heard a peep.

Save me the "majority rules" blah blah blah....point is, the church argument is not relevant.
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Posted: 10/29/2010 12:14 PM
You completely missed the point, Love.  No one is questioning the quality of the schedule (at least in this thread), and no one is suggesting that we should be throwing down scheduling ultimatums to our non-conference opponents.  Rather, the question is simply whether we could have preserved the existing lineup of opponents while changing a couple of the Sunday games to Saturday time slots. 

Why does it matter?  Because the difference in our attendance between Saturday and Sunday games is stark.  Last year we averaged 7,731 fans in four Saturday games, versus 4,475 fans for the two Sunday games.  In 08-09, we drew 6,084 for our four Saturday home games, versus 5,211 in three Sunday games.  In 07-08, we averaged 7,051 on Saturdays, but drew only 4,139 for our lone Sunday game (Senior Day vs. Buffalo).  In 06-07, it was 4,803 for five Saturday games, versus 3,582 for our one Sunday game (admittedly a November stinker against Yale).  That is a significant difference in attendance, meaning that we miss significant ticket revenue and fan base building opportunities by playing on Sunday rather than Saturday.

The five Sunday games this year are:

Sun., Oct 31 2010 - Wooster (exhibition)
Sun., Nov 21 2010 - Texas A&M - Corpus Christi
Sun., Dec 12 2010 - IUPUI
Sun., Jan 2 2011 - Robert Morris
Sun., Jan 9 2011 - Miami (OH)

For some of those games, a Saturday date obviously would not have been practical.  Wooster couldn't be scheduled for tomorrow without either conflicting with the football game in the afternoon, or Halloween at night.  Similarly, it isn't practical to play Robert Morris on New Year's Day. 

But what about the other three?  Our game against TA&M-CC falls between a Wednesday night game in Stillwater, OK, and a Tuesday night game in Lawrence, KS on their schedule.  Would they have been willing to play in the Convo on Saturday rather than Sunday?  Maybe, maybe not, but hopefully we at least inquired.  Similarly, IUPUI plays in Columbus the Thursday night before our game.  Would they have been open to playing a Saturday game to reduce their travel time, or did they want the extra day off?  Again, I don't know, but I hope we asked.  Meanwhile, for the Miami (OH) game, both schools have a full week off before opening MAC play, while all but one other MAC contest will be played on that Saturday, rather than Sunday.  Why are we playing on Sunday? 

Again, it's certainly possible that TA&M-CC and IUPUI would have balked at playing on Saturday.  In that case, I would agree that a Sunday game is fine.  However, if either school was open to playing a day earlier, there really is no excuse in us not taking them up on it. 

And there is simply no excuse at all for the Miami game falling on Sunday rather than Saturday.  That is perhaps our marquee home game of the season, and we are shooting ourselves in the foot by needlessly competing with the NFL, Saturday night hangovers, church, etc.  Do you really think that the difference between Saturday and Sunday makes zero difference in terms of attendance or fan interest for that game?

Yes, in an ideal world our fan base would turn out in droves anyway.  But you know as well as I do that we are still facing an uphill battle when it comes to fan interest and commitment.  We need to be doing everything within our power to accommodate as many fans as possible.  Why make the process of expanding our fan base any more difficult than it already is?
Last Edited: 10/29/2010 1:56:01 PM by Flomo-genized
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Posted: 10/29/2010 3:15 PM
OHIO69 you couldn't be anymore wrong in my case. I have season tickets for both the Steelers and Bobcats and you'll find me in Athens in the Convo at every Sunday game. Making it to the weeknight games in Athens is far tougher for me, it's that work thing that keeps interfering for some reason.  
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