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Posted: 12/30/2010 10:54 PM
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McKinley was the only deep on the bench player who saw action until about the 5:00 minute mark or even a little later.  My question is why.   We were beating them soundly and guys like Jacobs, Adedipe, etc. were nowhere to be seen.  I really thought that that was showing not real good sportsmanship as well as missing an opportunity for Jacobs, Offutt and Smith to develop.  I did love the two threes by McKinley and really appreciated the way the other players set up those scores, particularly the first one. 
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Yeah, the NCAA would've loved us getting Offutt and Smith in there.

Groce played the guys a lot like he will in the MAC play.  Only a week and a half until Miami comes to town and we need to get those guys minutes together.  And considering how uneven our play was, a confidence boost didn't hurt.

If that's unsportsmanlike, oh well.  The Spartans didn't really try in the second half, for their part, even though they kept starters in too.  You can't cry unsportsmanlike play if you keep starters out there.
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Posted: 12/30/2010 11:03 PM
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McKinley was the only deep on the bench player who saw action until about the 5:00 minute mark or even a little later.  My question is why.   We were beating them soundly and guys like Jacobs, Adedipe, etc. were nowhere to be seen.  I really thought that that was showing not real good sportsmanship as well as missing an opportunity for Jacobs, Offutt and Smith to develop.  I did love the two threes by McKinley and really appreciated the way the other players set up those scores, particularly the first one. 


Offutt and Smith aren't eligible until next season.
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I really thought that that was showing not real good sportsmanship as well as missing an opportunity for Jacobs, Offutt and Smith to develop.


Maybe because Offutt and Smith aren't eligible until next season. They're wearing street clothes, and it would be awkward-looking and against the rules to have them take the floor.
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Posted: 12/30/2010 11:13 PM
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I really thought that that was showing not real good sportsmanship as well as missing an opportunity for Jacobs, Offutt and Smith to develop.


Maybe because Offutt and Smith aren't eligible until next season. They're wearing street clothes, and it would be awkward-looking and against the rules to have them take the floor.


Well, that's a good point.  I missed about half the season so far, so I'm trying to catch up on things.  But, what about Jacobs.  Why do you think he didn't play earlier? 
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Posted: 12/30/2010 11:16 PM
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Actually, I would've liked more time for our starters.  The Cats hadn't played for over a week and needed to shake the rust off, especially with a pretty decent Robt Morris team coming up Sunday.  NSU had four of five starters out there for 25+ min.; we had two -- Cooper & Washington.  NSU even had two starters on the floor when the game ended.   DJ went out with about 8 min to go; Washington with 6 1/2; the rest were done by the 5 min mark.  Nothing wrong with that.

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Posted: 12/30/2010 11:22 PM
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I really thought that that was showing not real good sportsmanship as well as missing an opportunity for Jacobs, Offutt and Smith to develop.


Maybe because Offutt and Smith aren't eligible until next season. They're wearing street clothes, and it would be awkward-looking and against the rules to have them take the floor.


Well, that's a good point.  I missed about half the season so far, so I'm trying to catch up on things.  But, what about Jacobs.  Why do you think he didn't play earlier? 


He shouldn't even be playing at all.  Not close to game ready.  Any minutes he gets this year are charity.  I would look to redshirt him next year, personally.

Like we've said, our primary concern has to be making sure our rotation is ready for the MAC.  If that means the walk-ons and last guy off the bench don't see much, if any, action, so be it.  Good of the team, yes?
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Posted: 12/30/2010 11:23 PM
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Lots of different routes JG could've taken playing an overmatched team like tonight.  One I could certainly understand was to begin getting into a rotation similar to what we expect to use down the homestretch of the season. 

However when McKinley and Co. started getting into the game it was clearly "garbage time" (what Skip Carey used to call the end of blowout games during Hawks telecasts when I was a kid) I continued to be shocked at how far down the bench Jacobs must be.  I mean he's literally behind Olfutt and Smith--and they're in street clothes.  If we were going to clear the bench then maybe giving Nathan one last (and probably one first) chance to get into the flow of an NCAA game may have been a nice opportunity. 

I remember in junior high one of our players was so far down the bench there was no thought of him getting into most games.  Remember him not wearing his basketball shorts under his warmups as a joke, since he never got into games.  Glad Nathan wore the shorts tonight, even though despite being up 40 points I wasn't sure he would get in.
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Posted: 12/30/2010 11:23 PM
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I understand your point, Pataskala, but I'd just like to have seen Jacobs earlier.  Also, what's the status of Nick Goff? 

Edit: Nathan = Ethan?
Last Edited: 12/30/2010 11:27:46 PM by OhioCatFan
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Posted: 12/30/2010 11:32 PM
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Not eligible.

I'm going to guess Nathan is the guy from CG's team.

Ethan will get minutes when he earns them.  He's just not there right now, and Groce isn't about to give minutes out as a gift.  He DID get 4 minutes, so it wasn't a token appearance and the same amount as Tunji played.
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Posted: 12/30/2010 11:35 PM
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Guess we could debate whether getting minutes when your team is up 40 points are "earned" or "gifts."  But that doesn't sound like a lot of fun, so forget it.
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Posted: 12/30/2010 11:37 PM
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. . . He shouldn't even be playing at all.  Not close to game ready.  Any minutes he gets this year are charity.  I would look to redshirt him next year, personally.

Like we've said, our primary concern has to be making sure our rotation is ready for the MAC.  If that means the walk-ons and last guy off the bench don't see much, if any, action, so be it.  Good of the team, yes?


If he's that much of a project, why wasn't he redshirted this year, do you think?

Yes, if this helped get our rotation down for the MAC, then I will withdraw my objection.  I'm just not sure that a little more liberal substitution policy earlier would have made that much of a difference when we go up against Oxford Tech.  Some coaches would have used this type of a game to help develop a deeper bench and/or give PT to guys who might not be that good but who were working their butts off in practice.  Perhaps, Jacobs and Adedipe aren't doing that, but everything I've heard about Adedipe indicates he's a real hard worker and team player. 
Last Edited: 12/30/2010 11:39:33 PM by OhioCatFan
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Posted: 12/30/2010 11:48 PM
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Dear Administrators:

Can someone please revoke OCF's posting privileges for a few months?  My 8 year old has a better handle on what is going on in the Convo.  I kick myself every time I open one of these threads because the next 30 seconds of my life is about to be a miserable fail.  I know there is a train wreck inside and cannot just go around.  I need Ryan to set up a block to protect me from myself.
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Posted: 12/30/2010 11:57 PM
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Give him a break...He has said many many many many times, basketball season does not start until Football is over with.  He's just getting started.

I thought the "scrubs" got quite a bit of time, and did well.  Nobody on either bench got to 30 minutes...and everyone got 10 except Tunji & Ethan, who got 4 each.  I don't think that is bad at all.  Gotta keep the main guys fresh heading into MAC play, especially the freshmen who still need to suffer thru some growing pains.
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Posted: 12/31/2010 12:06 AM
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. . . He shouldn't even be playing at all.  Not close to game ready.  Any minutes he gets this year are charity.  I would look to redshirt him next year, personally.

Like we've said, our primary concern has to be making sure our rotation is ready for the MAC.  If that means the walk-ons and last guy off the bench don't see much, if any, action, so be it.  Good of the team, yes?


If he's that much of a project, why wasn't he redshirted this year, do you think?

Yes, if this helped get our rotation down for the MAC, then I will withdraw my objection.  I'm just not sure that a little more liberal substitution policy earlier would have made that much of a difference when we go up against Oxford Tech.  Some coaches would have used this type of a game to help develop a deeper bench and/or give PT to guys who might not be that good but who were working their butts off in practice.  Perhaps, Jacobs and Adedipe aren't doing that, but everything I've heard about Adedipe indicates he's a real hard worker and team player. 


We just don't have enough bodies right now to redshirt.

We had that liberal sub policy against St. Francis: http://www.bbstate.com/games/97242
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Posted: 12/31/2010 12:12 AM
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Dear Administrators:

Can someone please revoke OCF's posting privileges for a few months?  My 8 year old has a better handle on what is going on in the Convo.  I kick myself every time I open one of these threads because the next 30 seconds of my life is about to be a miserable fail.  I know there is a train wreck inside and cannot just go around.  I need Ryan to set up a block to protect me from myself.



Nothing much has changed with you I see -- you were a jerk last year and an ignorant one to boot -- and you're still an ignorant jerk now -- may God bless and have mercy on your son and all of your children if you do have more than one.


Catfan clearly said he had not followed the team for quite some time and he came to a very fine website to get re-acquainted and educated about a team and program he obviously loves.  For all we know he might have been gone defending our country so ignorant jerks like you can run your mouth without having been provoked about revoking his posting privileges. I would imagine this is your attempt at humor but it was an embarrassingly poor attempt.

If reading his or anyone's thread causes you such displeasure then most brains would simply stop coming to website. (we can always hope)

Gosh, how stupid would you be had you NOT gone to college?


Catfan I apologize for lowering the level of decorum in regard to your thread but I felt it needed to be said.
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Posted: 12/31/2010 12:19 AM
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Thanks, Dragon, that's one of the games I missed.  That was more of what I was expecting tonight, but even then Jacobs only got four minutes.  You're probably right that he's more of project than I thought based on JG's comments when he was signed and what some others had said about him at that time.  I will say this, he appears more coordinated than Rick the Stick or Jason Terry in their freshman years.

Edit: Thanks, WHRH, I appreciate the nice comments.  There's been a good deal of "piling on" go on on the football forum, and I think it's carried over here for some reason. 
Last Edited: 12/31/2010 12:26:34 AM by OhioCatFan
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I think we may be a little spoiled with how well DJ did his freshman year. I think we're getting more minutes out of freshman players than any of us would ever have hoped/expected. Not surprising to me that Ethan needs work before he's ready. Heck, a lot of the guys getting big minutes still have plenty of work to do. We're an ultra-young team... again...  (69% minutes from Freshmen/Sophomores tonight)
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Good points, mcbin.  We do, just like last year, have a very young team.  I really kind of expect that our season will progress like last year with us getting better as the season progresses.  I just hope we can get seeded a little higher in the MAC tourney!
Last Edited: 12/31/2010 12:43:50 AM by OhioCatFan
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I would have liked to see Stevie Taylor get some minutes last night too.
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Posted: 12/31/2010 8:50 AM
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mcbin wrote:expand_more
I think we may be a little spoiled with how well DJ did his freshman year


Looking back in the archives on Ohibobcats.com it looks as if a succession of freshmen have not only played but started at Ohio. Williams, Tillman, Freeman.and to some extent Coleman have been strong from the first day.DJ certailnly set the bar a bit higher but you guys have had mighty good freshmen for a log time.  
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A. I have a real problem with OCF calling the walk-ons and deep reserves "scrubs" in the title of this thread.

If guys that work hard in practice, give 110% to make the team better on the court and off it all while paying their own way to school are "scrubs" - then OCF is just as ignorant and dumb as he sounds on this board.

B. What kind of Bobcat "Fan" decides to start following the basketball team in Late December? There was a 3 week break between the Kent game and the Troy debacle, where we played 3 home basketball games and no football games. I don't accept that as an excuse. Sorry.

Sadly, OCF asking why Offutt and Smith didn't see time last night is not even as funny or shocking as it would be if it was some other poster.

The Ford kid that always wears a suit to games and sits next to Groce should get a few minutes when games get out of control.

I agree with 695, someone please strip this guys posting privileges immediately.
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I would have liked to see Stevie Taylor get some minutes last night too.


I would have liked to see $tevie Fresh get some minutes last night too.
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Dear Administrators:

Can someone please revoke OCF's posting privileges for a few months?  My 8 year old has a better handle on what is going on in the Convo.  I kick myself every time I open one of these threads because the next 30 seconds of my life is about to be a miserable fail.  I know there is a train wreck inside and cannot just go around.  I need Ryan to set up a block to protect me from myself.


No one has a gun at you head makin you read anyones posts.

If you don't care for the posts of OCF or myself or anyone just don't friggin read them.

Some forums have an ignore button that you would seem inclined to use.......I might use it myself on a few selected pompous arses.
Last Edited: 12/31/2010 10:31:40 AM by Doc Bobcat
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This subject frustrates me to no end, and it seems to come up almost every season... Fans beating the drum to get Bridgewater more court time, the firestorm that happens when seniors don't start on senior day, posts incredulous that End of the Bench Player X only saw 4 minutes instead of 10 minutes in whatever blowout.

Blowout vs a crummy team or no, John Groce has a job to do, which is getting the team ready for the start of conference play in 2 weeks. If he thinks that goal is best served by getting the regular rotations a longer run and more court time, even during a blowout, that's his prerogative and I trust his choice. This is Division 1 Collegiate Basketball. Not the "everyone gets a trophy" Y league.

Beyond that, we all make mistakes, but if you're calling for two players who have mandatory redshirts based on NCAA transfer rules to get more court time in the same post that you're questioning the head coach's judgment you should maybe stop talking for a little while.
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