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Posted: 1/21/2011 1:21 AM
Watching on ESPN tonight and seeing how many empty seats there were at the opening night of Auburn's new arena, and against a fairly marquee Florida made me glance at there numbers.

Looking at more of their home games, they don't crack 5k often.  And that's coming from a SEC school that won a championship in football a few weeks ago so you know they are all jacked up on school spirit.
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Posted: 1/21/2011 7:34 AM
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I've posed this question many times and still don't think anyone has come up with an answer.  Can you think of an athletic program that is both NOT in a major conference and NOT in (or very near) a decent sized city that has as much fan support as we do?


Maybe Utah State?

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Posted: 1/21/2011 8:53 AM
SIU is decent, but they don't have D1 football which as we discussed, can only help their basketball program...and even still, like you said, they don't really have more fan support than us (although to be fair they've been down a little bit recently).

Utah State is about the best choice yet...The WAC is a stronger conference, though still not a "major" conference.  They also have had more sustained success than us of late on the court.  I think if all things were equal on the success front, Utah State (or anyone from the small conference/small city mold) wouldn't be able to match us on fan support.
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Posted: 1/21/2011 9:12 AM
DayvidGallagher wrote:expand_more
Watching on ESPN tonight and seeing how many empty seats there were at the opening night of Auburn's new arena, and against a fairly marquee Florida made me glance at there numbers.

Looking at more of their home games, they don't crack 5k often.  And that's coming from a SEC school that won a championship in football a few weeks ago so you know they are all jacked up on school spirit.


Number one no one has an opening night of an arena in January. Number two Auburn is as much a football only school as any program in the country. They have one of the worst teams of the big six conferences and the fan support to show for it. Just because you're successful in football does not mean you're going to have basketball support and vice versa. Want the opposite example? Duke.
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Posted: 1/21/2011 9:24 AM
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They do not have football, so the fan support is there. 



Help me out here, what does not having football have to do with fans supporting basketball?

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Posted: 1/21/2011 11:02 AM
Utah State is probably the best example I can think of.  I love watching their games.

I totally agree with your premise, Andrew, and have said as much in the past.  We really do get pretty impressive support given the demographics of our area, and the level at which we play.  We still stand head and shoulders, team support-wise, over the two schools that have dominated our conference the last ten years, and are in much larger areas.
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Posted: 1/21/2011 11:35 AM
James Madison would be close to us in support.  Also, Davidson is in a small town, though a reasonable drive from Charlotte.  SIU is a good example. 

Western Kentucky is in a SMSA of about 120,000.  So they draw very well when considering their population.
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Posted: 1/21/2011 12:48 PM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
James Madison would be close to us in support.  Also, Davidson is in a small town, though a reasonable drive from Charlotte.  SIU is a good example. 

Western Kentucky is in a SMSA of about 120,000.  So they draw very well when considering their population.


I was thinking of Colorado State and similar schools but most of the Valley could be considered similar to SIU, Terra Haute has little going for it and UNI lives in the shadows of big brother right down the road in Iowa City. Tulsa and Oral Roberts both in the same city splits the fan base and both are overshadowed by OU and OSU in their home state while still drawing decently for both.

Western Ky down in Bowling Green is a great example. Most of the OVC is in a similar situation, would be interesting to see their atttendance numbers in places like Murray or Clarksville. Anyone knows what a Gardy Webb game draws?
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Posted: 1/22/2011 2:51 AM
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I you do not count Conference USA as a major conference, I would say Marshall and Southern Miss. Both cities are under 50,000 and their fan support, particularly for football, is much greater than ours.


Huntington has a metro area of 285,000 people within in 30 miles


The real difference for Marshall and Southern Miss. is that the in-state BCS schools are hundreds of miles away while a sizable alumni contingent is in the local region. School size is also a factor in perception. Marshall is close to enrollment size with WVU and both schools are far larger than anything else in state. The same goes for Southern Miss in comparison to Ole Miss and Miss St. In Ohio, Ohio State is in the middle of the state to minimize distance from any corner and 2 times the size of MAC schools in enrollment. They have location, enrollment, tradition, conference, alumni size on their side which all makes it very difficult for the public to view any other Ohio school athletically to be on the same level. 
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Posted: 1/22/2011 2:58 AM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
James Madison would be close to us in support.  Also, Davidson is in a small town, though a reasonable drive from Charlotte.  SIU is a good example. 

Western Kentucky is in a SMSA of about 120,000.  So they draw very well when considering their population.


I don't think JMU is close to us in fan support in basketball. They have never really done anything in that sport and don't have a long tradition in D1. WKU draws well in basketball and is the basketball version of Southern Miss. located a good distance from the in-state BCS schools.
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Posted: 1/22/2011 3:57 AM
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They do not have football, so the fan support is there. 



Help me out here, what does not having football have to do with fans supporting basketball?



Football can only help basketball not hurt it. WVU is a good example as they used football to get into the Big East and the Big East to build a regular NCAA qualifier program in basketball. When WVU was in the Atlantic 10 Ohio would play the Mountaineers 1 for 1 as the two programs were about on the same level. Out of all the college towns/college cultures out there Athens has the most in common with Morgantown. Both schools are at the top of the party school list every year. The real difference is athletic budget where WVU is 3 times as large and conference affilation that gives them an edge in recruting.They have 18 football recruits rated 78-70 by ESPN while Ohio has only 7 but that is progress for the Bobcats. Ohio State in comparison has 14 recruits rated 82-79 while both WVU and Ohio have zero. Its clear that there is a ceiling for how far the football program can go competitively while basketball could get on a level playing field in recruiting against the top programs with investment. A good football program though is required to get into a better basketball conference in most cases.
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