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Posted: 1/27/2011 8:30 AM
Wannamaker:  You are the most intellectually dishonest poster on this site.  When you are proven wrong, you try to change the original argument.

Here was the context of the argument:  Character counts, and Trent's behavior since leaving school has been atrocious.
I cited domestic violence issues, in particular, which we all know came after Athens.

You countered with, "He was never even charged with a crime, much less convicted."

Given the context of the argument and your specific response, you were including his behavior in and out of Athens. I proved you wrong.  But you're not a man enough to admit ever being wrong.

I've seen you try this trick in several arguments on here.  You've lost all credibility with me.
Last Edited: 1/27/2011 8:30:43 AM by SBH
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Posted: 1/27/2011 9:08 AM
John C. Wanamaker wrote:expand_more
Character counts.  Gary has had multiple run-ins with the law, including more than a few domestic violence incidents.  He doesn't deserve to be honored in the same way as Frankie Baumholtz and co.


Gary Trent was never even charged for a crime must less convicted of a crime, not even a minor misdemeanor drinking offense.  Gary left here with a lot shorter criminal record than at least 50 bobcats I could sit down and name in the past five years.


SBH:  Here is my original post on the matter, if you NOTICE  I said "Gary left here", I did not state anything post Ohio University, I know Gary got into trouble after he left here, in fact in two of those instances a former teammate from Ohio was living with Gary when they occurred.  Please tell me where I am being anything but straight forward.  I again refer you  to the "Gary left here", and please tell me that is not a CLEAR and CONCISE statement.
Last Edited: 1/27/2011 9:09:54 AM by John C. Wanamaker
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Posted: 1/27/2011 12:33 PM
I'll ask again, how and why did Trent avoid prosecution for the Nadia Edwards incident in Columbus? All charges dropped shortly before trial, which had been scheduled to begin this past October.
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Posted: 1/27/2011 12:55 PM
John C. Wanamaker wrote:expand_more
Notice SBH, hasn't come back around to recognize he can't read ;)


Not only that, Wanny, but I have it on good authority that SBH has never ran onto the field at the Big House and jumped up and touched the Maize and Blue banner. On top of that, I believe he has never sat down with Earle Bruce for dinner.
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Posted: 1/27/2011 1:07 PM
bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
Notice SBH, hasn't come back around to recognize he can't read ;)


Not only that, Wanny, but I have it on good authority that SBH has never ran onto the field at the Big House and jumped up and touched the Maize and Blue banner. On top of that, I believe he has never sat down with Earle Bruce for dinner.


I can not attest to what SBH has or has not done, only my own personal experiences.
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Posted: 1/27/2011 1:51 PM
He was on the sidelines with Ditka and Da' Bears in the 1986 Super Bowl.  Then he caddied for Nick Faldo in each of his three winning Masters appearances. And don't get him started about his arguments with A.J. Foyt at Indy.

Personal message coming in T-minus 10 seconds, nine, eight...
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Posted: 1/27/2011 2:15 PM
Actually been to the Masters, and the Open when it was played at Oakmont. Of course SBH you cant read as I've stated I've never been to a major auto race.
Last Edited: 1/27/2011 2:27:36 PM by John C. Wanamaker
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Posted: 1/27/2011 2:26 PM
"Run Forest Run"
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Posted: 1/27/2011 2:56 PM
Well.... this has devolved.
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Posted: 1/27/2011 3:47 PM
It's an interesting situation. What should be the standard for induction? If he or anybody else leaves Ohio with a clean slate and record, as it appears to be the case with Trent, but then runs into trouble after the fact, also Trent. Should we not base it on what he did here? It's not like he's sitting in a jail cell as we speak. I straddle the fence post on this one. It's kind of like Pete Rose, except Rose was involved in the game after his playing days and broke one of the sport's cardinal sins. Yet, there are many who think he should be in the HOF based on what he did as a player only.
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Posted: 1/27/2011 3:57 PM
Anyone know how many folks currently in the hall of fame never graduated from OU?
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Posted: 1/27/2011 5:26 PM
Of my watching of OHIO basketball, which goes back to the Walter Luckett era, plus what I know about OHIO's basketball history, I'll make two claims:

1. That Gary Trent was the best basketball player in OHIO history.

2. The best OHIO player, when compared to players of that same era, is Frank Baumholtz.

Baumholtz was 1st team All-American in 1941. He was the MVP of the national championship game when the NIT was the premier conference, receiving that award even though OHIO lost the game. He played one year of professional basketball, opting for a career in the MLB.  He played for the Cleveland Rebels of the Basketball Association of America, direct predecessor to today’s NBA. He was named to the  All Pro 2nd team, as a rookie!.

That' all I got.
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Posted: 1/27/2011 9:44 PM
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Different era's OCF, Don Hilt and Mike could not handle Gary's strength and explosiveness, that is what made Gary as great as he was.  Please don't jump on me here, I am not dissing Don or Mike, both great players and people, however it is not fair to them to compare the era's because athletes are so much bigger faster and stronger and the game has changed because of it. . . .


If you think Gary Trent was bigger and stronger in his day than Don Hilt was in his day, then may I suggest a visit to your ophthalmologist!
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Posted: 1/27/2011 10:01 PM
No OCF, I think compared to the competition they played Don Hilt was stronger than anyone he played against, as was Gary. Gary v Don, Gary hands down, not even close. Gary was a monster in the weight room in Don Hilt's day they did not lift weights.

To believe anything else regarding the pure physical strength is being a revisionist.
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Posted: 1/27/2011 10:24 PM
Did you ever actually see Don Hilt in his playing days?  I know there are a few others on this board who have. 

This different era stuff can, in itself, be revisionist.  For instance, Abe Lincoln was extremely strong.  He could, according to witnesses at the time, hold a heavy axe parallel to the ground for extended periods holding in one hand the end of the handle only.  In other words straight out from his body at the side and parallel to the ground.  The effective weight, given the leverage involved, is probably more than Gary Trent or Don Hilt could press.  You can't always judge physical prowess by the era in which one lived.  Yes, most athletes today are better conditioned than most athletes of bygone eras, but neither Don Hilt nor Gary Trent were typical athletes of their eras.

Now, wasn't Abe Lincoln the guy who struck out Casey and was the MVP of that famous game against Mudville!
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Posted: 1/27/2011 10:32 PM
Yes I've seen Don Hilt play, on old 16mm film. I will let the stats speak for themselves, on his best day Don Hilt couldn't carry Gary's jock. Gary scored more, shot a higher %, and out rebounded Hilt. Gary was an animal in the weight room, when Ohio University didn't even have a weight room for athletics, and weight training was not practiced by basketball players in that day.

All you need is to find a photo of the physical build of Don and the picture speaks a thousand words, it looks like Bond pre needles in his ass (hilt), to post HGH (Trent)
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Posted: 1/27/2011 10:36 PM
Got tO get off here OCF, Dusty Baker is buying beers at BW3's
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Posted: 1/27/2011 11:51 PM
John C. Wanamaker wrote:expand_more
Yes I've seen Don Hilt play, on old 16mm film. I will let the stats speak for themselves, on his best day Don Hilt couldn't carry Gary's jock. Gary scored more, shot a higher %, and out rebounded Hilt. Gary was an animal in the weight room, when Ohio University didn't even have a weight room for athletics, and weight training was not practiced by basketball players in that day.

All you need is to find a photo of the physical build of Don and the picture speaks a thousand words, it looks like Bond pre needles in his ass (hilt), to post HGH (Trent)


My memory might be as grainy as old 16mm film, but I did see Hilt play every home game during the two seasons when Ohio went 40-13.  I won't debate who - Hilt or Trent - was better.  I'll merely offer these observations:
* Hilt was a key to two MAC title teams and two NCAA tournament appearances, including the delightful run to the Elite 8.  (After OU lost to Michigan with its tall timber and then UCLA won the title, I found myself thinking OU might have fared better against UCLA than it did against Michigan.  OU's center, Paul Storey, stood 6'5" as did UCLA center Fred Slaughter.) 
* Hilt was a double-digit scorer who could have scored more but was  blessed with teammates - Mike Haley, Jerry Jackson, Paul Storey - who also were scorers.
* Hilt was a more versatile offensive threat than Trent.  Hilt was more polished than Trent when using the glass and had a better short-range jump shot. 
* Both Hilt and Trent inspired their teammates and both could - and did - fire up the home crowds.  Both were FUN to watch. 

Does anyone know where Hilt is now?  I remember my surprise many, many moons ago when we both walked into the same law school class.  Don't know whether he finished law school...
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Posted: 1/27/2011 11:54 PM
And Gary did what he did with not nearly the supporting cast that the 64 team had. Please understand, I am not saying Don Hilt wasn't a stud, but when it came to pure physical strength Gary was a beast in a physical game.
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Posted: 1/28/2011 2:34 AM
what's GT's involvement with OU since he left, has he made any significant donations or personal appearances? Does he pop up in ithe stands in the Convo from time to time? Has he ever came back and talked to the team, etc? Sounds like in the article he has fond memories of Ohio, wonder if he's stayed connected or not.
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Posted: 1/28/2011 5:42 AM
Gary was back a few times about four years ago was recognized at half-time of a football game and was at a couple of basketball games that year. Currently he is involved with his own family and Gary Jr, who is quite the player.

As for donations, check the OBC rolls for formerbfootball and basketball players, you will find an under representation.
Last Edited: 1/28/2011 5:43:42 AM by John C. Wanamaker
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Posted: 1/28/2011 9:59 AM
When you try to compare players of different eras, keep this is mind: Don Hilt, had he played in a more recent era, would have lifted weights. Then how would he compare?
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Posted: 1/28/2011 11:19 AM
giacomo wrote:expand_more
When you try to compare players of different eras, keep this is mind: Don Hilt, had he played in a more recent era, would have lifted weights. Then how would he compare?



You are correct he would have, but the bottom line is he didn't, that is the "if" game.  Like saying "if" Keller and Brazill would not have gotten hurt we would have won a MAC title, you can't change the facts.
Last Edited: 1/28/2011 11:19:52 AM by John C. Wanamaker
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Posted: 1/28/2011 11:45 AM
As it happens, my own mediocre basketball playing days began when lifting weights was considered foolish for a shooter and unnecessary for any other reason.  By the time I hung 'em up 35 years later everybody, including me, was lifting regularly. Post strength training, I didn't play a lick better (or worse) relatively speaking but the team pictures were much more impressive to be sure.  So does that make me a "better" player as an old man than I was in high school?
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Posted: 1/28/2011 11:54 AM
If it didn't make you better would they be doing it?  The game is so physical today that the body needs the strength to take the pounding, and if you are in amongst the trees you need that strength going for loose balls, going up in contact, strength training is a very valuable tool....If not let's save money and get rid of the weight room.
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