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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
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Posted: 3/14/2011 8:45 PM
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till then I will long for the day when every team in Indiana had a fighting chance to be Cinderella and everyonce in a while Goliath got kicked to the curb,.

Borna, do I take it from this that you prefer the one division setup that Indiana used to have?  Just curious.





Till the day I die ........Anyone  Anywhere Anytime was the mantra I grew up with. Did not matter how big or small you still got to play the game. One of the metaphors for life that basketball teaches.

I think prefer is a rather weak word when my bunch of friends starts talking about the tourney. But then Iam sure ring sales and trophies/plaques etc are bolstered by the addition of each additional class or division.


This is an unusual day.  I win a 10-1 odds bet with Alan.  He pays off.  And, I agree with the sentiments of both Al and borna.   All I can say is, Old Guys Rule!  I wish the OHSAA would adopted the everyone in the same tourney philosophy.


You'd render some of the proudest and most traditional small-school programs in the state impotent. Their programs would become fish bait for O.J. Mayo and Bill Walker and LeBron James.

Take a look at Ohio's all-time win list. Most of them rendered too small to compete for a title if you go to one division.

I can simply speak to four of the top 28 teams: Archbold, Delphos St. John's,  Ottoville, and St. Henry.

All of them proud traditions. Rabid fan bases. All of them would be out by the district level every year unless they had a senior class to end all senior classes. Popularity of the sport would plummet at all of those corner stone programs.

I can't imagine how differently my view towards basketball would have been had I  grown up in a town where we were bounced out in the district instead of making runs to state  or the regional on a yearly basis. We lived for those March nights. Taking them away would have taken away a part of my high school experience. Going to St. John Arena and the Schott as a schoolkid and high schooler were town-changing when only 3,000 or 4,000 people lived in a community.

As sad and straight out of a Bruce Springsteen song it might sound -- I can remember a game from 1996 in Columbus like it was yesterday and I don't even really care about high school sports anymore. But I remember that game.

Those Division I schools forget about their titles the moment the trophy gets put in the case.

I would reluctantly agree with getting down to three divisions again. But one? No way in hell someone in Division IV or Division III should be playing LaSalle or Moeller or Garfield Heights.

I know we'd like to think a Division IV school could do it and it'd be great the once every 100 years they did. But why destroy small-town basketball for that remote hope for a one-in-a-million thrill?
Last Edited: 3/14/2011 8:51:24 PM by Brian Smith (No, not that one)
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Posted: 3/14/2011 10:25 PM
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70 teams in NIT, CBI and CIT. That 2 more than the NCAA tournament.  138 teams in post season.


72 teams in the NIT (32), CBI (16), and CIT (24). 140 teams in the post-season
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Posted: 3/15/2011 12:51 AM
I'm a fan of one division, for one true state champion.

The importance of sectional and district titles would be much greater, and when that senior class to end all senior classes did come around, it'd be something people across the state would never forget...  I always think of the movie Coach Carter when talking about this...  He asks the players at one point, "Who won the state title last year?" They don't know.  He was making a different point, but he makes my point well too...  My point being state titles would actually mean something beyond just the communities involved...  I think that would be pretty cool.  There is no better feeling in sports than watching David beat Goliath.  The current system kills something like that from happening.  No more participation trophies.  No more "6 'best' teams in the state."    
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Posted: 3/15/2011 1:31 AM
There are more than 2,000 OSHAA members.  That basically renders the state title meaningless, frankly, if you throw them all into one tournament.  Too much randomness.

I would bet money it would kill interest rather than expand it.  Not all schools are equal.  I don't favor treating them why they are (which why I'm in favor of separate titles for private and public schools).
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Posted: 3/15/2011 1:06 PM
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 No more "6 'best' teams in the state."    


There are four divsions.
Last Edited: 3/15/2011 1:07:03 PM by Brian Smith (No, not that one)
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Posted: 3/15/2011 1:07 PM
I agree with Borna, that the deck is stacked in favor of the Big 6 conferences. They also spend way more money than the MAC and it's ilk. But that is the system in which we participate. What axe am I grinding? I'm not excited about playing in a third or fourth tier tournament. I think we had a good season and had a very legitimate chance to win the MAC and advance to the NCAA. We fell short. I can live with that and try to come back next year. I just think that with 100 teams in the NCAA and NIT, that's enough to say who are the best teams. I've read some discussion about the Big 6 just forming their own league. What do you all think about that?
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Posted: 3/15/2011 1:39 PM
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There are more than 2,000 OSHAA members.  That basically renders the state title meaningless, frankly, if you throw them all into one tournament.  Too much randomness.

I would bet money it would kill interest rather than expand it.  Not all schools are equal.  I don't favor treating them why they are (which why I'm in favor of separate titles for private and public schools).


Do you mean to say there are over 2,000 high schools in Ohio?  I think the number is much lower, over 700. 
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Posted: 3/15/2011 2:00 PM
Bobcat Dragon wrote:expand_more
There are more than 2,000 OSHAA members. That basically renders the state title meaningless, frankly, if you throw them all into one tournament. Too much randomness.

I would bet money it would kill interest rather than expand it. Not all schools are equal. I don't favor treating them why they are (which why I'm in favor of separate titles for private and public schools).
Not sure where you came up with this number, but you are WAY off in this one.
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Posted: 3/15/2011 2:39 PM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
There are more than 2,000 OSHAA members.  That basically renders the state title meaningless, frankly, if you throw them all into one tournament.  Too much randomness.

I would bet money it would kill interest rather than expand it.  Not all schools are equal.  I don't favor treating them why they are (which why I'm in favor of separate titles for private and public schools).


Do you mean to say there are over 2,000 high schools in Ohio?  I think the number is much lower, over 700. 


I looked at OSHAA's site.  (shrugs)
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Posted: 3/15/2011 9:20 PM
ThIs past season there were 850 High Schools in the OHSAA, not that we are going to split hairs or anything.
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Posted: 3/15/2011 11:08 PM
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 No more "6 'best' teams in the state."    


There are four divsions.

I was thinking football, point still stands...

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