menu
Logo
Ohio Basketball Topic
Topic: Official Game 4 Thread: Louisville
Page: 4 of 4
ohio9704
General User
O9704
Member Since: 2/11/2006
Post Count: 1,591
person
mail
ohio9704
mail
Posted: 11/25/2011 11:41 PM
Jerry86 wrote:expand_more
Also, three of our five starters didn't really bother to get off the bus tonight!


This is ridiculous. Not having a good game doesn't mean they didn't bother to get off the bus. http://youtu.be/GUPRDnYwp74


46 minutes, 2 pts, 7 fouls, 10 reb's, 5 to's!  Getting that from 3 of your 5 starters was very tough tonight.  I would say we might have been better off if they had stayed on the bus.  We did get great minutes from our bench and hope some of that translates to change in minutes.  Three starters looked lost out there tonight. Taylor and Hall gave good minutes off bench to keep us in the game.


You're knowledge of b-ball is obviously limited. Suffice it to say you never played the game beyond grade school.

FACT: the 3 players you cite took 8 shots. Two of them shot it a single time. You have a problem with 10 rbs. in 46 minutes? Not too shabby if you ask me.

Smith is not an offensive threat in case you've yet to figure that out.

Last, if you feel that they'd be better to have stayed on the bus then you're a clueless idiot.  They're kids. Who are you? Some bozo hiding behind an anonymous ID here.....'Nuff said.


Just saying the 3 struggled in a situation where they really needed to play better.  Two of which are players that need to show up every night if we are going to be successful.  I'm so happy you cited the 10 REB's and forget the 2 Pts, 7 fouls, and 5 to's from THREE starters.  Sorry you are part of the giddy group that is happy with a close loss tonight.  Why is Smith on the floor if so limited?  Why not start Keely?  8 shots were due to not being able to stay on the floor!  THAT IS THE PROBLEM!   The stayed on the bus was an analogy, sorry me the bozo didn't explain that to a few mental midgets!
ohio9704
General User
O9704
Member Since: 2/11/2006
Post Count: 1,591
person
mail
ohio9704
mail
Posted: 11/25/2011 11:43 PM
Jerry86 wrote:expand_more
Also, three of our five starters didn't really bother to get off the bus tonight!


This is ridiculous. Not having a good game doesn't mean they didn't bother to get off the bus. http://youtu.be/GUPRDnYwp74


46 minutes, 2 pts, 7 fouls, 10 reb's, 5 to's!  Getting that from 3 of your 5 starters was very tough tonight.  I would say we might have been better off if they had stayed on the bus.  We did get great minutes from our bench and hope some of that translates to change in minutes.  Three starters looked lost out there tonight. Taylor and Hall gave good minutes off bench to keep us in the game.


Never mind -- you're one of the few who post uninformed nonsense game after game .....my bad!!  LOL @ u.


Yes, those actual game stats, are very uninformed nonsense.
Jerry86
General User
J86
Member Since: 12/19/2010
Post Count: 656
person
mail
Jerry86
mail
Posted: 11/25/2011 11:59 PM
ohio9704 wrote:expand_more
Also, three of our five starters didn't really bother to get off the bus tonight!


This is ridiculous. Not having a good game doesn't mean they didn't bother to get off the bus. http://youtu.be/GUPRDnYwp74


46 minutes, 2 pts, 7 fouls, 10 reb's, 5 to's!  Getting that from 3 of your 5 starters was very tough tonight.  I would say we might have been better off if they had stayed on the bus.  We did get great minutes from our bench and hope some of that translates to change in minutes.  Three starters looked lost out there tonight. Taylor and Hall gave good minutes off bench to keep us in the game.


You're knowledge of b-ball is obviously limited. Suffice it to say you never played the game beyond grade school.

FACT: the 3 players you cite took 8 shots. Two of them shot it a single time. You have a problem with 10 rbs. in 46 minutes? Not too shabby if you ask me.

Smith is not an offensive threat in case you've yet to figure that out.

Last, if you feel that they'd be better to have stayed on the bus then you're a clueless idiot.  They're kids. Who are you? Some bozo hiding behind an anonymous ID here.....'Nuff said.


Just saying the 3 struggled in a situation where they really needed to play better.  Two of which are players that need to show up every night if we are going to be successful.  I'm so happy you cited the 10 REB's and forget the 2 Pts, 7 fouls, and 5 to's from THREE starters.  Sorry you are part of the giddy group that is happy with a close loss tonight.  Why is Smith on the floor if so limited?  Why not start Keely?  8 shots were due to not being able to stay on the floor!  THAT IS THE PROBLEM!   The stayed on the bus was an analogy, sorry me the bozo didn't explain that to a few mental midgets!


Not happy with a close loss.  Why would you suggest such? Just another uninformed post by you I guess.

Face it SH$t happens -- Baltic & Kellogg got in FT early. Deal with it. They sat. Thus, they didn't contribute s expected. Exactly what do you fail to comprehend?

REPEAT: Smith is NOT a scorer. Comprehendo? So your reference to the pts. scored is irrelevant due to the foul trouble of Baltic & Kellogg.
Last Edited: 11/26/2011 12:00:57 AM by Jerry86
JSF
General User
Member Since: 1/29/2005
Location: Houston, TX
Post Count: 6,580
mail
JSF
mail
Posted: 11/26/2011 12:28 AM
ohio9704 wrote:expand_more
Just saying the 3 struggled in a situation where they really needed to play better. 


No, that's not what you said. You said they didn't bother getting off the bus, meaning they didn't try and didn't care. I would love, love, for you to tell Ivo to his face he didn't try and didn't care or that he practically didn't bother to get off the bus. We played a top 10 team in their gym. Not everyone is going to come out looking good in that scenario. Once again, instead of saying something reasonable you take the opportunity to take a dump on OUr guys.

http://youtu.be/GUPRDnYwp74

Jerry86 wrote:expand_more
Not happy with a close loss.  Why would you suggest such? Just another uninformed post by you I guess.


It's because anyone who doesn't agree with his sourpuss outlook is a fan of mediocrity.
Last Edited: 11/26/2011 12:29:18 AM by JSF
Casper71
General User
C71
Member Since: 12/1/2006
Post Count: 3,237
person
mail
Casper71
mail
Posted: 11/26/2011 1:44 AM
i'd say our guards and wings can play with the Big 6 Conferences.  The problem in the MAC, and with OU, is that we just can't regularly land the 4 and 5% players to play with elite teams night in and night out.  We always have to hope our bigs play well. 
Chicken George
General User
CG
Member Since: 1/3/2005
Post Count: 766
person
mail
Chicken George
mail
Posted: 11/26/2011 9:34 AM
Casper I would agree.  One thing we do have early season however is a wide assortment of misc. parts & peices.  Lots of options that could develop over the course of the season when you consider Keely, Baltic, Goard, Smith, Belton, etc...   If we face another big time team later in the season we could mix&match to get us through a game.  But agreed--our team will ride our perimeter players wherever we go.
Jeff McKinney
Moderator
JM
Member Since: 11/12/2004
Post Count: 6,163
person
mail
Jeff McKinney
mail
Posted: 11/26/2011 12:00 PM
Casper71 wrote:expand_more
i'd say our guards and wings can play with the Big 6 Conferences.  The problem in the MAC, and with OU, is that we just can't regularly land the 4 and 5% players to play with elite teams night in and night out.  We always have to hope our bigs play well. 


Ironically, back when we had the Leons and Brandons, the situation was the reverse...Our frontlines carried us.  But as you say, normally it's the reverse for a mid major.


Monroe Slavin
General User
MS
Member Since: 12/21/2004
Location: Oxnard, CA
Post Count: 9,121
person
mail
Monroe Slavin
mail
Posted: 11/26/2011 1:03 PM
4th game of the year.  no seniors on the team.  Traditional national powerhouse ranked #7.  On their court.

Much of the comments are premature; season has hardly begun.

Anyone who saw that game last night and who would criticize any of our players' efforts is not being realistic.  What?  You thought OUr guys would all put up numbers against the 'ville as if they were some mid-tier or bottom-rung MAC team?

From what I saw yesterday and from what others have posted about the first three games, well, it's a helluva good time to be an OHIO football, field hockey, volleyball, basketball, swimming (did I miss any?) fan.
Brian Smith (No, not that one)
General User
BSNNTO
Member Since: 2/4/2005
Post Count: 3,057
person
mail
Brian Smith (No, not that one)
mail
Posted: 11/26/2011 1:57 PM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
i'd say our guards and wings can play with the Big 6 Conferences.  The problem in the MAC, and with OU, is that we just can't regularly land the 4 and 5% players to play with elite teams night in and night out.  We always have to hope our bigs play well. 


Ironically, back when we had the Leons and Brandons, the situation was the reverse...Our frontlines carried us.  But as you say, normally it's the reverse for a mid major.


And not to beat a dead horse, it's what was so disappointing about the Fears abdication. There was a blueprint that was so foreign to mid-majors. Frontline players in both the frontcourt and backcourt.

I don't know if Groce's system will ever invite dominant post players to Athens. Swing forwards, sure. But centers? I don't see a center ever being a star in Groce's scheme. But I could be wrong. I think Ohio will be a tad undersized as long as he's here. I'm okay with that.
Deciduous Forest Cat
General User
DFC
Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: OH
Post Count: 4,559
person
mail
Deciduous Forest Cat
mail
Posted: 11/26/2011 2:13 PM
I don't know what this says for our whole season, but we are clearly a more polished team in November/December than we've been in recent years. We haven't even put up a fight against the top teams on our schedule the three previous years. I was really impressed with our quickness and intensity on defense. We were forced to zone later as jsf referenced in another thread. We had one major failure to close out late, and one other sequence that cost us - Cooper dribbled off his foot and we seemed to make no effort to get back on defense, even though we may not have been able to stop that play anyway. I think this bodes well for our chances against a meat-grinder of a MAC East this year.
Last Edited: 11/26/2011 2:19:56 PM by Deciduous Forest Cat
OUVan
General User
Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Bethesda, MD
Post Count: 5,580
mail
OUVan
mail
Posted: 11/26/2011 4:58 PM
ohio9704 wrote:expand_more
Just saying the 3 struggled in a situation where they really needed to play better.  Two of which are players that need to show up every night if we are going to be successful.  I'm so happy you cited the 10 REB's and forget the 2 Pts, 7 fouls, and 5 to's from THREE starters.  Sorry you are part of the giddy group that is happy with a close loss tonight.  Why is Smith on the floor if so limited?  Why not start Keely?  8 shots were due to not being able to stay on the floor!  THAT IS THE PROBLEM!   The stayed on the bus was an analogy, sorry me the bozo didn't explain that to a few mental midgets!


This is such an epic whiff.

Baltic and Kellogg only played limited minutes because they both picked up their 2nd foul within the first five minutes of the game.  Baltic's 2nd foul was a horrible call on what should have been a clear blocking foul.   Both Kellogg's first two fouls were on aggressive plays on the defensive end. The first was on help defensive after they had just gotten an offensive rebound.  The second was a ticky-tacky call that they didn't make on the other end of the floor.  But both came out very aggressive and definitely not a case of them "staying on the bus."    I have to question if anybody that came to that conclusion even watched the game.

Ryan Molnar
General User
RM
Member Since: 11/27/2010
Post Count: 51
person
mail
Ryan Molnar
mail
Posted: 11/27/2011 10:01 AM
A center could flourish in this system and it was set up for DeVaughn to star in it last year which he did at times and would have dominated more if he had stayed out of foul trouble.
Brian Smith (No, not that one)
General User
BSNNTO
Member Since: 2/4/2005
Post Count: 3,057
person
mail
Brian Smith (No, not that one)
mail
Posted: 11/28/2011 4:34 PM
Ryan Molnar wrote:expand_more
A center could flourish in this system and it was set up for DeVaughn to star in it last year which he did at times and would have dominated more if he had stayed out of foul trouble.


Our definitions of centers differ.  Washington was an undersized four, in my opinion.
Last Edited: 11/28/2011 4:36:43 PM by Brian Smith (No, not that one)
Ryan Molnar
General User
RM
Member Since: 11/27/2010
Post Count: 51
person
mail
Ryan Molnar
mail
Posted: 11/28/2011 5:55 PM
DW was a center in this system. Having a center who needs time to post up and go to work time and time again more than likely isn't going to fly in this system. DW wouldn't have been a center for a lot of other teams but a team that is looking to push the tempo, run a ton of PNRs, and space the floor he was the prototypical fit. It will be interesting to see what Belton does if he ends up being able to contribute at all. He's the exact opposite of every other big on the roster and more along the lines of your prototypical power center.
bornacatfan
General User
Member Since: 8/3/2006
Post Count: 5,752
mail
bornacatfan
mail
Posted: 11/29/2011 10:49 AM
Centers rebound and run rim to rim in this system .ooking for the pass to the middle. NO pass present they have several options, pop out to the high screen, coe across the lane fromthe weak side to occupy the low post , catch in the high post at the elbow or catch on the baseline.

Every one here can remember KVK and Dvw
-setting the high ball screen
-running the middle of the floor to get a pass ahead
-shooting the baseline jumper
-shooting the jumper from the elbow

I have a hard time remembering either one catching in the low post and "going to work", seems to me both caught and shot from areas that created an open shot within the offense. Not sure how we got to where we are now with the bigs stopping the ball rotation and leaving 4 guys standing on the perimeter.

No doubt that DVW with his athleticism was able to run the floor and take advantage at the rim and KVK could use his height and shooting to step out and hit  those jumpers. ONe aspect I always thought DVW did not get credit for was his deadly accuracy on that jump shot from the FT/high post area.
Ryan Molnar
General User
RM
Member Since: 11/27/2010
Post Count: 51
person
mail
Ryan Molnar
mail
Posted: 11/29/2011 1:21 PM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
I have a hard time remembering either one catching in the low post and "going to work", seems to me both caught and shot from areas that created an open shot within the offense. Not sure how we got to where we are now with the bigs stopping the ball rotation and leaving 4 guys standing on the perimeter.


Agreed and that's what I was more or less trying to say. 
JSF
General User
Member Since: 1/29/2005
Location: Houston, TX
Post Count: 6,580
mail
JSF
mail
Posted: 11/29/2011 8:27 PM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
ONe aspect I always thought DVW did not get credit for was his deadly accuracy on that jump shot from the FT/high post area.


Yep.
perimeterpost
General User
Member Since: 7/6/2010
Post Count: 3,165
mail
perimeterpost
mail
Posted: 11/29/2011 8:52 PM
I've watched the last 5 minutes of this game 4 times now, and each time I expect us to win. Tough loss but I love the guts and effort our guys showed. Great enthusiam from the bench too, good to see everyone cheering their teammates on so enthusiastically.
Last Edited: 11/29/2011 8:52:54 PM by perimeterpost
RSBobcat
General User
Member Since: 8/23/2010
Location: Columbus, OH
Post Count: 4,504
mail
RSBobcat
mail
Posted: 11/29/2011 9:27 PM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
Centers rebound and run rim to rim in this system .ooking for the pass to the middle. NO pass present they have several options, pop out to the high screen, coe across the lane fromthe weak side to occupy the low post , catch in the high post at the elbow or catch on the baseline.

Every one here can remember KVK and Dvw
-setting the high ball screen
-running the middle of the floor to get a pass ahead
-shooting the baseline jumper
-shooting the jumper from the elbow

I have a hard time remembering either one catching in the low post and "going to work", seems to me both caught and shot from areas that created an open shot within the offense. Not sure how we got to where we are now with the bigs stopping the ball rotation and leaving 4 guys standing on the perimeter.

No doubt that DVW with his athleticism was able to run the floor and take advantage at the rim and KVK could use his height and shooting to step out and hit those jumpers. ONe aspect I always thought DVW did not get credit for was his deadly accuracy on that jump shot from the FT/high post area.
Bingo
RSBobcat
General User
Member Since: 8/23/2010
Location: Columbus, OH
Post Count: 4,504
mail
RSBobcat
mail
Posted: 11/29/2011 9:41 PM
perimeterpost wrote:expand_more
I've watched the last 5 minutes of this game 4 times now, and each time I expect us to win. Tough loss but I love the guts and effort our guys showed. Great enthusiam from the bench too, good to see everyone cheering their teammates on so enthusiastically.
From about 100 rows up - that's what I felt too. I was there solo. When we went up by 6, I jumped up outta my seat, fist pumped, and a loud, guttural "YEAH! - then had an awkward moment as I remembered I was the only Bocat fan for at least 50 seats in any direction around me! As I sat down (relieved nobody threw anything at me) I was almost in shock (and the home crowd absolutely was). Then, well I think it was Pitino that kicked in........

Long drive home.......but there have been Much Worse.....
Brian Smith (No, not that one)
General User
BSNNTO
Member Since: 2/4/2005
Post Count: 3,057
person
mail
Brian Smith (No, not that one)
mail
Posted: 11/30/2011 7:30 PM
RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
I've watched the last 5 minutes of this game 4 times now, and each time I expect us to win. Tough loss but I love the guts and effort our guys showed. Great enthusiam from the bench too, good to see everyone cheering their teammates on so enthusiastically.


From about 100 rows up - that's what I felt too. I was there solo. When we went up by 6, I jumped up outta my seat, fist pumped, and a loud, guttural "YEAH! - then had an awkward moment as I remembered I was the only Bocat fan for at least 50 seats in any direction around me! As I sat down (relieved nobody threw anything at me) I was almost in shock.


I did that at Neyland Stadium a few years ago when Chris Garrett ran back that kickoff, letting out what I can only describe as a Yankee letting out a rebel yell...poorly. I had bought a ticket off a guy who looked like he needed my 35 bucks for crack. At the 40 in the lower bowl. Nothing but Tenneseeagians.. About five thousand people in orange started staring at me. I slowly slink down into my seat, as if they woudn't see a fat guy dressed in green...

By the end of the game, we were talking and having fun. But that moment was not comfortable.

I think the best situation like that is when you're in a neutral crowd and you start winning them over to your side. That started happening in 2005 at Nashville against Florida. Me and my friends had Villanova folks whooping for us by the end.
Last Edited: 11/30/2011 7:32:35 PM by Brian Smith (No, not that one)
Showing Messages: 76 - 96 of 96
MAC News Links



extra small (< 576px)
small (>= 576px)
medium (>= 768px)
large (>= 992px)
x-large (>= 1200px)
xx-large (>= 1400px)