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FJC31
12/15/2022 10:36 AM
I went to this game as well, sat in the 3rd row across from the benches, and have a lot of thoughts on the game/team itself. However, I think the most disappointing takeaway for me is the lack of leadership on the roster. Specifically, from the upperclassmen. Sitting that close and this game being over so quickly, I paid more attention to everyone’s body language than anything else.

When it became apparent we were in for a tough game, there was no fire, no display from the starters or BRod to “rally the troops”. Instead, as the mistakes continued to accumulate; the facial expressions and body language showed immense frustration with each other.

For example, Miles turned the ball over passing to Jaylin and the latter wanted to yell but quickly caught himself. Hadaway rolled his eyes and threw his arms up when Sheldon passed it out of bounds trying to get it to AJB.

Which I get, as a competitor and you’re getting embarrassed; however, it’s more than obvious the chemistry isn’t there, the results aren’t, and frustrations are starting to amount. Pure speculation — but I almost wonder if everyone is beginning to think they can produce better than the guy in front of them (DW3 being the exception) since no on has consistently played well to date.

I agree that Baker should be removed from the starting 5; but I’d also argue Miles should be as well. He’s only put 16 total points in his last 4 games to Baker’s 21. If we’re going to start 3 guys at 6’1, they all need to be scoring/play-making machines each game to make up for their lack of size. After 10 games, this just ain’t it. AJB is the obvious swap but I’d also like to give BRod a shot as well. He can’t be any worse than Miles/Baker.

Loved the way the freshman kept attacking at the end in spite of the blowout. AJB had the same energy all game and was constantly always jumping up to his feet on the bench for any sort of positive play we had. Really enjoyed watching him.

Change and player leadership is needed or we’re going to have more games like this.
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100%Cat
12/15/2022 10:40 AM
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Definitely Kansas 2007 vibes, but THAT KANSAS TEAM WON THE NATTY! This Florida team has the makings of an NIT finals ceiling.

I'm astonished how much collective nothing we got from college basketball veterans M. Brown, Roderick, Baker, Wiznitzer, and Clayton. A combined THREE! points from that group on 1-18 shooting, eight rebounds, one assist, 13 fouls.

I agree, it is time for AJ Brown and Devon Baker to switch roles. It is clear which one brings more game impact to the table. Even if they were equal, start the freshman and build him for the future. I wouldn't mind seeing more of Elmore James too.

Worst loss? Hmm getting 50-pieced by Kansas in Vegas was bad, but that team at least had Thomas Robinson and the Morris twins. There was a home loss in the Saul era where Toledo absolutely thrashed us that was especially demoralizing.
Our family got the seat upgrade for that Toledo game. Good lord, we didn't need to be courtside for that blood bath. That game was over quickly.
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crackerbaby00
12/15/2022 10:42 AM
We should 100% be starting AJ, but it was obvious to me last night that James is also on a different level athletically than most of the team. He had a few takes to the hole in the 2nd half that showed his burst and hit at least 1 mid range shot with a lot of confidence. He also has a grown man body.
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FearLeon
12/15/2022 10:45 AM
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:expand_more
When the news drops that AJ Brown enters the portal, we point to this game as the final straw.

This was the most obvious game on the schedule to start this kid. Pray that AJ's old AAU coach wasn't at this game.
This...all of this^^^^ And a reminder, we are recruiting his brother who was in the stands. His brother who might be better than AJ was at this stage of his HS career.

I've said it in other posts. Boals dropped the ball on not starting AJ in front of his family and friends. This is way different for example than starting Hadaway in Atlanta if we played Georgia Tech. This is AJ Brown...the biggest recruit in years. Sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture and think outside of the box with a guy like this. And starting AJ last night wasn't even a case of thinking outside the box...it was a no-brainer. I'm not saying AJ is the savior...I'm not. We have a roster with a lot of holes that many on this board have pointed out and AJ is not going to magically lead us to the promised land this year. However, he is the best player on the roster and that is obvious. You start him and get him 30 minutes every game moving forward.

Last season, Boals stuck with Roderick the entire year. This year...through 10 games it's been Baker. Make it make sense?
Last Edited: 12/15/2022 10:57:26 AM by FearLeon
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OhioCatFan
12/15/2022 10:47 AM
Biggest issue. This team has no floor leadership. We have no cohesion. AJB might be able to be that guy, eventually, but he's too young and inexperienced at the moment. I think we best prepare our minds and hearts for a season of suckiness. Come March, we will be the team everyone wants to play in the first round.

P.S. I hope I'm dead wrong, but I'm calling 'em as I sees 'em.
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SBH
12/15/2022 10:54 AM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
When the news drops that AJ Brown enters the portal, we point to this game as the final straw.

This was the most obvious game on the schedule to start this kid. Pray that AJ's old AAU coach wasn't at this game.
This...all of this^^^^ And a reminder, we are recruiting his brother who was in the stands. His brother who might be better than AJ was at this stage of his HS career.

I've said it in other posts. Boals dropped the ball on not starting AJ in front of his family and friends. This is way different for example than starting Hadaway in Atlanta if we played Georgia Tech. This is AJ Brown...the biggest recruit in years. Sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture and think outside of the box with a guy like this. And starting AJ last night wasn't even a case of thinking outside the box...it was a no-brainer.

Last season, Boals stuck with Roderick the entire year. This year...through 10 games it's been Baker. Make it make sense?
Come on. You don't think Boals is focused on keeping this kid? He knows what he's doing.
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Andrew Ruck
12/15/2022 10:58 AM
On the point of body language, the only one I have seen multiple issues with is Hadaway. And Wiz with the refs. Otherwise I've felt like they stay locked in and positive supporting each other. And I'd say #1 on that list is AJ Brown. He always seems to have everyone's back.
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FearLeon
12/15/2022 11:08 AM
SBH wrote:expand_more
When the news drops that AJ Brown enters the portal, we point to this game as the final straw.

This was the most obvious game on the schedule to start this kid. Pray that AJ's old AAU coach wasn't at this game.
This...all of this^^^^ And a reminder, we are recruiting his brother who was in the stands. His brother who might be better than AJ was at this stage of his HS career.

I've said it in other posts. Boals dropped the ball on not starting AJ in front of his family and friends. This is way different for example than starting Hadaway in Atlanta if we played Georgia Tech. This is AJ Brown...the biggest recruit in years. Sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture and think outside of the box with a guy like this. And starting AJ last night wasn't even a case of thinking outside the box...it was a no-brainer.

Last season, Boals stuck with Roderick the entire year. This year...through 10 games it's been Baker. Make it make sense?
Come on. You don't think Boals is focused on keeping this kid? He knows what he's doing.
Sorry, but when you don't start the program's biggest recruit in 15 years in his home state...in front of his family and friends...I think it's a big mistake.
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spongeBOB CATpants
12/15/2022 11:43 AM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
When the news drops that AJ Brown enters the portal, we point to this game as the final straw.

This was the most obvious game on the schedule to start this kid. Pray that AJ's old AAU coach wasn't at this game.
This...all of this^^^^ And a reminder, we are recruiting his brother who was in the stands. His brother who might be better than AJ was at this stage of his HS career.

I've said it in other posts. Boals dropped the ball on not starting AJ in front of his family and friends. This is way different for example than starting Hadaway in Atlanta if we played Georgia Tech. This is AJ Brown...the biggest recruit in years. Sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture and think outside of the box with a guy like this. And starting AJ last night wasn't even a case of thinking outside the box...it was a no-brainer.

Last season, Boals stuck with Roderick the entire year. This year...through 10 games it's been Baker. Make it make sense?
Come on. You don't think Boals is focused on keeping this kid? He knows what he's doing.
Sorry, but when you don't start the program's biggest recruit in 15 years in his home state...in front of his family and friends...I think it's a big mistake.
It absolutely was a huge mistake. For all the chatter on this board about the non-con games essentially being meaningless, why not start him?

I'd be curious to hear what the board thinks Boals strategy with managing AJ Brown is exactly? I don't think any athlete is ok with taking a bench role vs. a starting job so I'd find it hard to believe that Brown is ok with coming off the bench on this team.

Boals needs to understand that there are coaches out there who will have absolutely no issue with poaching Brown. Matter of fact, if I have any interest in Brown, I'm attempting to make contact with a family member/old coach/friend/etc. TODAY.

Sales pitch would be pretty simple:

"Looks like you guys are heading towards a mediocre season at best, you're not starting when its obvious you should be. What if we could offer you $25k to hit the portal this off season and come play in the *insert P5 conference here* and make a stab at getting drafted?"
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SBH
12/15/2022 12:11 PM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
When the news drops that AJ Brown enters the portal, we point to this game as the final straw.

This was the most obvious game on the schedule to start this kid. Pray that AJ's old AAU coach wasn't at this game.
This...all of this^^^^ And a reminder, we are recruiting his brother who was in the stands. His brother who might be better than AJ was at this stage of his HS career.

I've said it in other posts. Boals dropped the ball on not starting AJ in front of his family and friends. This is way different for example than starting Hadaway in Atlanta if we played Georgia Tech. This is AJ Brown...the biggest recruit in years. Sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture and think outside of the box with a guy like this. And starting AJ last night wasn't even a case of thinking outside the box...it was a no-brainer.

Last season, Boals stuck with Roderick the entire year. This year...through 10 games it's been Baker. Make it make sense?
Come on. You don't think Boals is focused on keeping this kid? He knows what he's doing.
Sorry, but when you don't start the program's biggest recruit in 15 years in his home state...in front of his family and friends...I think it's a big mistake.
None of us know what's going on in the background. Maybe AJ missed a couple of classes this week.
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rollbobbies
12/15/2022 2:27 PM
Once again didn't get a chance to watch this one last night, but just finished the first half over lunch. I honestly don't feel the same panic that seems to have taken over here. We shot 22% in the first half and didn't make a 3. Yes, we need more shot makers (play AJB please), but the shots we got were pretty good and we still didn't turn the ball over or take too many panic shots. All of the misses also definitely led to lot's of easy transition points for UF, which is always a concern against a more athletic, high major team. For mid majors to pull off upsets like this you have to control the ball and make shots, and we just didn't do that. Don't think this is the end of the world though...
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FJC31
12/15/2022 4:04 PM
crackerbaby00 wrote:expand_more
We should 100% be starting AJ, but it was obvious to me last night that James is also on a different level athletically than most of the team. He had a few takes to the hole in the 2nd half that showed his burst and hit at least 1 mid range shot with a lot of confidence. He also has a grown man body.
Yea, I liked the way James played (minus the FT’s) towards the end. The top of the key pull-up was smooth and he knows how to use said body to get the basket and draw contract. I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing him start alongside Hunter and AJB, but can’t see Boals going that extreme.
Last Edited: 12/15/2022 4:05:14 PM by FJC31
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FJC31
12/15/2022 4:08 PM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
On the point of body language, the only one I have seen multiple issues with is Hadaway. And Wiz with the refs. Otherwise I've felt like they stay locked in and positive supporting each other. And I'd say #1 on that list is AJ Brown. He always seems to have everyone's back.
When the starters/upperclassmen were on the bench second half; I just noticed they were lifeless, slouched, and had clearly checked out.
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SBH
12/15/2022 4:16 PM
anybody catch the Boals postgame radio interview? was he angry, disappointed...?
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FJC31
12/15/2022 4:39 PM
rollbobbies wrote:expand_more
Once again didn't get a chance to watch this one last night, but just finished the first half over lunch. I honestly don't feel the same panic that seems to have taken over here. We shot 22% in the first half and didn't make a 3. Yes, we need more shot makers (play AJB please), but the shots we got were pretty good and we still didn't turn the ball over or take too many panic shots. All of the misses also definitely led to lot's of easy transition points for UF, which is always a concern against a more athletic, high major team. For mid majors to pull off upsets like this you have to control the ball and make shots, and we just didn't do that. Don't think this is the end of the world though...
I think we’re all just passionate fans (why we come to BA, right?) and it feels like there are ingredients on this roster for better showings/results.
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Jeff McKinney
12/15/2022 8:58 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
anybody catch the Boals postgame radio interview? was he angry, disappointed...?
He said there was a lack of effort and that it was an embarrassment.
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Jeff McKinney
12/15/2022 9:01 PM
rollbobbies wrote:expand_more
Once again didn't get a chance to watch this one last night, but just finished the first half over lunch. I honestly don't feel the same panic that seems to have taken over here. We shot 22% in the first half and didn't make a 3. Yes, we need more shot makers (play AJB please), but the shots we got were pretty good and we still didn't turn the ball over or take too many panic shots. All of the misses also definitely led to lot's of easy transition points for UF, which is always a concern against a more athletic, high major team. For mid majors to pull off upsets like this you have to control the ball and make shots, and we just didn't do that. Don't think this is the end of the world though...
Basically agree. Ohio had plenty of makeable good looks early but the shots kept coming up short, or were bricks. Mid majors against an SEC team can't afford that. The shooting woes led to discouragement and then things really snowballed.
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OU_Country
12/15/2022 9:43 PM
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Complete embarrassment. Boals better start playing AJ Brown 30 minutes per game. Baker is a swing and a miss.
There's Mr Swing and a miss. It's been awhile. How ya been?
There's OU Country again criticizing others but offering no thoughts of his own. It's been a second. How are you?

And that's the nice thing about opinions, they can change. Yes, you can love a coach for his decisions and be beleaguered by them the next time. It is blind loyalty that should be looked at critically.
Clearly, there was excessive salt in your Margarita when you typed this.
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OhioCatFan
12/16/2022 12:05 AM
I've been an AJB fan since the first time I saw him on the court. If I was the coach, knowing what I know, which isn't the whole story, I would want to start him. However, I'll have to admit that since I don't know the whole story there may be factors that I don't know that might explain what on the surface seems like a stupid decision on JB's part. Maybe Brown is not in good enough shape to play more minutes than he is playing. Maybe his injury is not completely healed, or he still has some residual issues with pain after he plays several straight minutes. I'm not in the locker room. I don't know the personal conversations that have taken place between Bolas and AJB. So it's just possible that Boals actually knows what he is doing. This might come as shock to some on this board, but occasionally coaches know more than fans on the internet. I realize that this probably doesn't happen often. But, logic and the need for personal veracity requires that we admit that it could be possible.
Last Edited: 12/16/2022 12:07:15 AM by OhioCatFan
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spongeBOB CATpants
12/16/2022 10:23 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
I've been an AJB fan since the first time I saw him on the court. If I was the coach, knowing what I know, which isn't the whole story, I would want to start him. However, I'll have to admit that since I don't know the whole story there may be factors that I don't know that might explain what on the surface seems like a stupid decision on JB's part. Maybe Brown is not in good enough shape to play more minutes than he is playing. Maybe his injury is not completely healed, or he still has some residual issues with pain after he plays several straight minutes. I'm not in the locker room. I don't know the personal conversations that have taken place between Bolas and AJB. So it's just possible that Boals actually knows what he is doing. This might come as shock to some on this board, but occasionally coaches know more than fans on the internet. I realize that this probably doesn't happen often. But, logic and the need for personal veracity requires that we admit that it could be possible.
This is why having some sort of media coverage would be nice. How great would it be to have somebody ask why he isn't starting?

Fact of the matter is he's still playing 20+ min/game. Unless its health related, keeping this kid in the dog house for some sort of small issue is a great way to fracture the relationship.
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SBH
12/16/2022 10:26 AM
Arkley never asked those questions, though. While it was nice to have his coverage, he never really dug into any topics that would challenge or upset the coaches.
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rollbobbies
12/16/2022 11:30 AM
FJC31 wrote:expand_more
Once again didn't get a chance to watch this one last night, but just finished the first half over lunch. I honestly don't feel the same panic that seems to have taken over here. We shot 22% in the first half and didn't make a 3. Yes, we need more shot makers (play AJB please), but the shots we got were pretty good and we still didn't turn the ball over or take too many panic shots. All of the misses also definitely led to lot's of easy transition points for UF, which is always a concern against a more athletic, high major team. For mid majors to pull off upsets like this you have to control the ball and make shots, and we just didn't do that. Don't think this is the end of the world though...
I think we’re all just passionate fans (why we come to BA, right?) and it feels like there are ingredients on this roster for better showings/results.
Fair enough! I understand the frustration with a showing like this, and yeah it was a real bummer we didn't play better, make shots, etc. I think my point is just that I don't think we should take this one game and fully panic for the entire year. There are lots of things that didn't go our way that could change if we played them again or another team of this caliber.
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cc-cat
12/16/2022 1:21 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Biggest issue. This team has no floor leadership. We have no cohesion. .
That is blatantly false. No leadership?. none at all? Maybe from your perspective it is absolute zero, but that is hardly the only perspective.
Last Edited: 12/16/2022 1:22:03 PM by cc-cat
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OhioCatFan
12/16/2022 1:58 PM
cc-cat wrote:expand_more
Biggest issue. This team has no floor leadership. We have no cohesion. .
That is blatantly false. No leadership?. none at all? Maybe from your perspective it is absolute zero, but that is hardly the only perspective.
Ha-ha! Did I say that no one could have another perspective on this issue? Would you like to argue that we do have great floor leadership? I'm all ears.
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BillyTheCat
12/16/2022 2:02 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Biggest issue. This team has no floor leadership. We have no cohesion. .
That is blatantly false. No leadership?. none at all? Maybe from your perspective it is absolute zero, but that is hardly the only perspective.
Ha-ha! Did I say that no one could have another perspective on this issue? Would you like to argue that we do have great floor leadership? I'm all ears.
He never said great, but you did say “no”. No is an absolute statement
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