Ran across this article and immediately recalled our recent thread and discussion. COuld not immediately find it though.

Warren Central where Walt graduated is enacting a reather stringent policy along with some other significant HS programs. INteresting reading. Personally I am not as inclined to want to think it is as common place or rather that is so ubiquitous that it is acceptable. My grammie used to say that people of low breeding cursed because they were so ignorant that they did not have the vocabulary to express themselves intelligently......but then...she was a Miami grad pre depression.....which may or may not explain her position and feelings of intellectual superiority.

I'm the first to admit that when I get emotional the quality of my vocab degrades.  But I curse at situations, not people (thought to others that may be a distinction without a difference).  And I need to toss this bad habit.

That said, give me a good reason for cursing.  You can't.

Would your family members accept it?
Are there alternative ways to express the same thoughts?

There will be lots of discussion on this point, I'm sure.  But further discussion is pointless; there's not a single, intelligent reason for it.  There are so many stylish, smart , memorable ways to express the same thoughts in acceptable language.  Don't we all remember well those who convey their thoughts by eloquence?  Is the same true of those who curse?

Uh, I thought that was the job of the the parents.  You can't expect bobcatsquared and the rest of the dedicated teachers in America to do everything.  Resorting to continual cussing is a true sign of weakness in my opinion.  There are simply other and better ways to get your point across.

i like this message board 'cause there ain't a ton of vulgar cursin' on here

WE'LL DO IT LIVE!

Don't you dare pawn the teaching of good manners off on the schools.  That sits right in the laps of the poor ass parents who just flat out suck at setting the proper example for all children  (not just their own).  This includes "parents" at sporting events who curse at the drop of a hat without care for any children who are right there "learning". I guess they feel confident that one day the schools will teach children the proper way to conduct themselves in public. 


That way they can keep being selfish which is what they do best.

Predictable.  Puerile.

REspectfully disagree. If you walk into my kitchen and look in the shelf with the cookbooks there is a 50 cent album that has been there since Tommy was 11. It got there when I allowed him to use his money to buy some music..... he put it in the car stereo, heard the lyrics and turned white as a sheet and began profusely apologizing. I told him he could put it up till he thought it was acceptable to listen to.... though he listens to a lot of nasty rap he has never touched that album. All my kids were taught with the same tenets.....I can't control what you hear or see but as gentlemen you should know that language is not acceptable. 

To date in hearing them on the radio, in the press and reading their work I have been pleased with the way they conduct themselves. Add in the other addage 'your character can be summed up in how you act when you think no one is watching"  and you ahve a pretty good recipe for success that will withstand a great deal of undermining. It starts at home. Despite musical, media, teacher and other parental influences..... those kids will always know what is acceptable by your actions and consistency as a parent.
 
Someone once told me ....Only 2 people in the world can screw a kid up ...MOM and DAD....you are either there all in or not. I think looking back that is a pretty good thought to build on. Teachers, music, media and other parents may provide examples but I like to think I have defined what I find acceptable and gave them the thought, example and willingness to examine situations inside and out of the house that they can conduct themselves accordingly regardless of pot smoking, free speech abusing faculty, cursing coaches, or peers throwing away their lives in bad decisions with out me monitoring their progress every step of the way by the time they are in HS.

But I do agree with those schools wh oactually adopt standards. At Muncie Central for 20 years they have emphasized the "Bearcat Way" that encompasses everything from looking adults inthe eye and shaking hands to how they conduct themselves in and out of the classroom and at home. Not sure which set of adults started that in order to teach inner city youth how to act back in the 80's but it has benefitted many kids in succeeding in the real world.

 

The whore of Akron is a good example of what borna's gram was referring to. I liked the book and agreed with his take on LeBron, etc. However, needless vulgarity throughout will hold back the book and his future ability to publish, in my outdated opinion.

Would people who are important to you (family, friends, prospective employers, etc) be impressed by cursing?

Would they be impressed by language free of cursing?

The word "suck" has progressed over the years. For some reason, the media treats this word as harmless and not a curse word. I saw a full-page newspaper ad with a huge font saying only: DOESN'T SUCK! The ad was a national campaign for a cell phone company, and every ad was some play on the word suck.

I hear little kids (like 6 or 7 years old) saying "suck" all the time, right in front of their parents. I didn't think I was THAT old, but when I was growing up, you didn't say suck in front of any adult, and certainly not in school.

Think about where the word comes from? Not exactly harmless for a kid to use, in my opinion.

Regarding the usage of the word, and although Bellaire wasn't exactly considered country, one of the perjoratives the out in the hills kids used to spout was "that'll stop you from sucking eggs".  And since I qualify for the over 45 cohort referenced in another thread, the phrase is not new.
So, where does this fit into the overall discussion?  Maybe the chant simply leaves out the noun "eggs" since the concept has been established decades ago.

Just sayin' ........ and I bet that Borna with his familiarity with old  Hoosier homilies has heard it more than once in his youth, too.

I was flipping around the tube a few weeks ago and some actress on a sitcom proclaimed to someone to "suck it". I don't think a guy could get away with dialog like that in prime time, but apparently a woman can. I was a little surprised by that, but I guess it's going the other way.