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Posted: 1/3/2012 12:09 AM
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....we are not 'near' Louisville.  We beat Georgetown once. ...We are thrilled to make the NCAA every so often....We lost to a good team at home tonight....we're a pretty darn good team that has no business being in the top 25 at the point in the season.  We have the ability to play well and should be highly competitive in the MAC.  Could we make the NCAA tourney and pull off a few victories?  I still think we can.  But make no mistake about it, we are nowhere near the caliber of team one would have to be to finish in the upper half of the Big Ten, ACC, SEC, or Big East.  If this hurts to hear, I'm sorry (as I'm apparently just enamored with big names . . .)  It's reality.


please stop saying "We". "We" aren't condescending buckeye fans who get off on belittling Bobcat athletics at every turn under the guise of "being real". WE are Bobcat fans.
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And in another thread you're talking about how Louisville isn't "that good".

1) You're talking out of both sides of your mouth on Louisville. Make up your mind. This season I'd argue we're pretty close to Louisville. We played them close on their court. If you looked at the past 10 years are we close to UL? Hell no, but that means jack when it comes to the current basketball season.


I said they were not #4 good.  Kennesaw hung with us in Athens.  I wouldn't say that would qualify them as being 'close' to us.
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Clearly we proved tonight that we're not ready for a Top 25 ranking, but there's no reason that this team can't hang with pretty much anyone they're likely to come across on a neutral court this season.


Based on what I saw tonight, I would disagree.  Any team that has elite post play would destroy us.
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Posted: 1/3/2012 12:16 AM
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I think it is important for everyone to remember...

[OhioStunter closes the car door, pops in the 110 CD, puts on his shades]

...enjoy the ride.

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Posted: 1/3/2012 12:18 AM
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JSF, I don't think giacomo is trying to be a downer.


You must have missed his other posts.
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Posted: 1/3/2012 12:23 AM
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please stop saying "We". "We" aren't condescending buckeye fans who get off on belittling Bobcat athletics at every turn under the guise of "being real". WE are Bobcat fans.

I will continue the use of the word 'we'.  I'm sorry if you cannot get over the fact that I also like a team that I presume you (and many others on this board) despise.  I can assure you that those who personally know me on this board knows where my allegiance lies and would be more than happy to back it up.  Get over it.
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Posted: 1/3/2012 12:24 AM
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And in another thread you're talking about how Louisville isn't "that good".

1) You're talking out of both sides of your mouth on Louisville. Make up your mind. This season I'd argue we're pretty close to Louisville. We played them close on their court. If you looked at the past 10 years are we close to UL? Hell no, but that means jack when it comes to the current basketball season.


I said they were not #4 good.  Kennesaw hung with us in Athens.  I wouldn't say that would qualify them as being 'close' to us.


Right, based on their 2 wins. Not based on the fact that the name of their school is Kennesaw.

At the same time we have 2 losses. The body of work suggests that hanging close with Louisville wasn't an aberration. 
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OZ

anyone who is actually reading would surmise that comment to be directly aimed at DCF. Went through the same thing last week on the IU board, in texts on my cell and in actual phone calls not too mention the conversations at work following the IU loss to Mich State. They were all on suicide watch....I warned them not to worry too much if they ended up 0-2 at the end of New Years Eve as the next 4 were pretty winnable. Of course IU pulled the inevitable and tossed the Buckeyes after beating UK in Bloomington. NOw they are the other way...they all think they are a lock for  the NCAA finals without going through the season or the tourney. EEEEEEEESSSSSHHHHH!


To be honest this was brewing and now that they ran into a tough gritty physical team that was stronger in every spot and emplyed the same work that Mich St used on IU with the same result .. It is in the book.

At the git go I said they are stronger with and without the ball, challenge every shot and have our entire concept scouted and were taking away everything we had till Reg got in and started giving them back a bit of their own physicality.

From front to back we got beat.....by a team that has been to the NCAA Multiple times recently and is road tested and tourney smart. THey got a bit of swagger because they beenthere. DJ is the only kid from that Georgetown beater that had signifinant minutes. THeir coach is very smart and gets the most outta the players who all seem to play attention and know what they are doing at any given time in the offfense or defensive schemes. Cant always say that about our guys.

We are going to get better and now we undersand how good we can be and how good we arent. All losses suck but the true test is what you took away from it. That is how winners do. Figure it out and move on.
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Posted: 1/3/2012 10:34 AM
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"non convien cantar trionfo prima della vittoria"
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Posted: 1/3/2012 11:56 AM
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JSF, I don't think giacomo is trying to be a downer.


You must have missed his other posts.

I guess I have.
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Posted: 1/3/2012 1:01 PM
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"non convien cantar (il) trionfo prima della vittoria"



while not totally correct....... I do not think anyone anywhere in Bobcatland was shouting "Victory" BEFORE the battle.
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Posted: 1/3/2012 1:20 PM
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Let's be honest - it's done. we had no preseason hype. we have no wins over ranked teams. shine coming off Northern Iowa and Marshall. There was simply no margin for error. Then we lose at home to a solid but unspectacular Robert Morris team (again with the Robert Morris - are you freaking kidding me?). It will take us 6 or 7 straight just to get back to our current number of votes. So, yes, we have the conference season but the next games we play that affect the postseason are in Cleveland.



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Posted: 1/3/2012 2:14 PM
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"non convien cantar trionfo prima della vittoria"


You really don't understand what you read on these boards do you?  I don't think anyone was claiming we were a great team.  What we are claiming is that we were in a position to claim an at large big if certain things happened. That still stands.   Last night makes those scenarios tougher but in no means stamps them out.  Does that mean that we are better than all the teams that won't get at large bids? Absolutely not.  And no matter how much you love to revel in Bobcat failures just so you can be proven right beating Northern Iowa, Marshall and Oakland are good wins particularly since all of them were on the road.  You seem to think that anyone that discusses possibilities is stating that they are, in fact, what's going to happen.  If you would slow down your inner Eeyore you would notice that people are discussing possibilities, not predictions.   If we go 13-3, win our BB game and lose in the MAC Championship game we will get an at large bid.  I will lay any amount of money on the line right now that if that scenario comes through we will be dancing.   Am I saying it will happen? No.  But that's what it would take.
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Posted: 1/3/2012 2:20 PM
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If you would slow down your inner Eeyore .......


I love this board...even on a board resplendent with erudite scholars like the Butler board this one seems to keep things on a whole different level.
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Posted: 1/3/2012 2:45 PM
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I'm strictly speaking of our ability to get at at-large bid. There is no need to froth at the mouth about my comments. When the 6th place Big Ten team goes 9-9 in conference play, some of those nine wins are against top ranked teams at home. They get an at-large bid, as did 4 Big Ten teams with 9-9 conference records.We don't have that luxury. We have a nice team and I wish we would have played more teams like Louisville. If we had, we may have won a few that would have enhanced our chances of an at-large. We're going to lose some conference games, maybe more than you might think. I still maintain our path to a bid is the MAC tourney.
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We have a nice team and I wish we would have played more teams like Louisville. We're going to lose some conference games, maybe more than you might think.


These sentences contradict.
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We have a nice team and I wish we would have played more teams like Louisville. We're going to lose some conference games, maybe more than you might think.


These sentences contradict.


I disagree. 

We have a very good team, they did better than most of us thought that they would in the OOC portion of the season.  Had we been able to schedule more games against "name" teams (like Louisville) we most likely would have won a couple of them.  The MAC season is a meat grinder.  It is VERY difficult to go 14-2 or 13-3 like a lot of people on this board are talking about. 
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OZ

anyone who is actually reading would surmise that comment to be directly aimed at DCF. Went through the same thing last week on the IU board, in texts on my cell and in actual phone calls not too mention the conversations at work following the IU loss to Mich State. They were all on suicide watch....I warned them not to worry too much if they ended up 0-2 at the end of New Years Eve as the next 4 were pretty winnable. Of course IU pulled the inevitable and tossed the Buckeyes after beating UK in Bloomington. NOw they are the other way...they all think they are a lock for  the NCAA finals without going through the season or the tourney. EEEEEEEESSSSSHHHHH!


To be honest this was brewing and now that they ran into a tough gritty physical team that was stronger in every spot and emplyed the same work that Mich St used on IU with the same result .. It is in the book.

At the git go I said they are stronger with and without the ball, challenge every shot and have our entire concept scouted and were taking away everything we had till Reg got in and started giving them back a bit of their own physicality.

From front to back we got beat.....by a team that has been to the NCAA Multiple times recently and is road tested and tourney smart. THey got a bit of swagger because they beenthere. DJ is the only kid from that Georgetown beater that had signifinant minutes. THeir coach is very smart and gets the most outta the players who all seem to play attention and know what they are doing at any given time in the offfense or defensive schemes. Cant always say that about our guys.

We are going to get better and now we undersand how good we can be and how good we arent. All losses suck but the true test is what you took away from it. That is how winners do. Figure it out and move on.


I like borna's summary of what made RMU tough the other night.  There was a reason that we shot so poorly on 3-pointers, got crunchola-ed on the boards, and lost despite RMU's huge number of turnovers.  RMU played.

I also like ozcat's conclusion that Georgetown was better than us.  By far; no way we're in that league.  Even though we beat them.
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Posted: 1/7/2012 2:14 PM
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I also like ozcat's conclusion that Georgetown was better than us.  By far; no way we're in that league.  Even though we beat them.


Ah Monroe.  Constant proof that successful people can still be morons.

I stated that we beat Georgetown.  One of the best sports moments of my life.

But it hardly puts our program on par with their consistent success.
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If it wasn't before, it is now after 2 losses in a row. Really disappointing to lose @ BG.
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Posted: 1/7/2012 10:59 PM
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My how 1 week can change perception.  Appears we're going to have to do this the old fashion way--be hot March 5-10th and nothing other than that will really matter.  There's always that remote chance we all felt a week ago--that we could do it the unconventional way--be 25-5 heading the MAC Tournament with a double edged entry point to the NCAA.  Now it's looking more and more like it's March 5-10th or CBI.
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ahhhhh welll,

Timely



 

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For goodness sakes. We're 13-3. Sky isn't falling. 
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Well, a few of us saw it a week ago . . . Where's perimeter and cc cat now, telling everyone how awesome we still are?

11-5 would be a huge success based on what I saw the last two games. Ivo and Keely just do not play "big" enough. If this team had a Leon type, we could be very dangerous, as Ivo/Keely could play the 4 where they belong.

It's not time to give up, as we still have the talent to take the MAC tourney. However, like I said a week ago and was subsequently killed for, we are nowhere close to top 25.

PS - That Louisville team that we hung with but still lost too, lost again - to home against a not-so-great Notre Dame team.
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Well, a few of us saw it a week ago . . . Where's perimeter and cc cat now, telling everyone how awesome we still are?

11-5 would be a huge success based on what I saw the last two games. Ivo and Keely just do not play "big" enough. If this team had a Leon type, we could be very dangerous, as Ivo/Keely could play the 4 where they belong.

It's not time to give up, as we still have the talent to take the MAC tourney. However, like I said a week ago and was subsequently killed for, we are nowhere close to top 25.

PS - That Louisville team that we hung with but still lost too, lost again - to home against a not-so-great Notre Dame team.


Here's a comment I had yesterday regarding Ivo:  In the second half, did he play poorly, did BG step up defensively, or did everyone fail to get him the ball?  In the first 12-16 mins, he OWNED the guys guarding him.  In the second half, he was less of a factor.  Why?

I disagree with your assessment that we aren't close to Top 25.  The team we've seen in the last four games sure isn't.  The team that won strong at UNI and Oakland is.  Don't think that Louisville is bad just because they lost at home to ND.  Any given day, anyone can win or lose, right?

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