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Posted: 2/28/2026 10:01 PM
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We’ve reached rock bottom.
No way. We are vicariously unbeaten. We pull for fiami now.

They used to be our big rival. Now we love them.

As long as fiami and Akron both keep winning, that = Bobcats winning.
Some reason you need to make the same stupid points in three threads?
After 21 years of posting here, I refuse to post along side people who are overjoyed to wave the white flag and jump on the bandwagon of pulling for our biggest rival in a desperate search for some moral victory. I'm deleting my account here. Good luck to you and the other new fiami fans.

I'm done with you people.
I'm predicting that this self-imposed exile won't last much longer than mine did. I see as of this moment his account hasn't been deleted.
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Posted: 2/28/2026 10:20 PM
Was at my granddaughter’s OAC indoor track championships today so I didn’t see the whole game. What I saw on ESPN plus leads me to say this… We have three of the biggest whiners, crybabies, and wanna be officials that I have ever seen. Let’s see if anybody can guess who those three are?
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Posted: 2/28/2026 11:23 PM
What a miserable first 15 minutes of the game. Nauseating and embarrassing. And that was with Sheldon hitting three 3's. Otherwise we had 2 buckets...a Jalen layup and a Kuany dunk. That 15 minutes from our best (Pavs, Kelly, Simmons & Hadaway) was truly horrific. Sadly I don't think I will ever forget it.

Outside of that it was fine, and the fight back to nearly tying it was fun. We definitely didn't help with allowing so many offensive rebounds and not hitting free throws, but the Toledo guards made several really great plays and kept shutting down our charges. Simmons was on a mission but it wasn't enough.

Pavs hasn't had the touch on his shot for awhile now. Kelly seems a bit forgotten and under-used. At one point down 4, it was clear Hadaway & Kelly cooked up an alley oop plan (not sanctioned from the coaches) coming out of a timeout and it failed miserably. That was a huge turning point in the game.

The likely rematch in Cleveland should be interesting. Simmons & Hadaway will be charged up, and as we all have seen that often doesn't mean good things. This team has not been one to rise the occasion these last 2 years, which doesn't give me faith vs Miami or in Cleveland. But I also acknowledge they are capable.

Sidebar observation from Senior Day...my God how many Managers does this team have? Is there a limit to how many you can have? They don't all travel with the team do they?
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Posted: 3/1/2026 7:17 AM
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Sidebar observation from Senior Day...my God how many Managers does this team have? Is there a limit to how many you can have? They don't all travel with the team do they?
I counted 17 during the National Anthem. Not including Chase Boals, whose job appears to be chatting up the assistants during timeouts.
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Posted: 3/1/2026 8:27 AM
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This team has not been one to rise the occasion these last 2 years, which doesn't give me faith vs Miami or in Cleveland. But I also acknowledge they are capable.
Just curious…we have watched this team play 29 games this season.

What should give us any hope that this roster full of whiners and crybabies is “capable” in Cleveland?

We have zero conference wins vs:

Miami
Akron
Kent
Toledo
Bowling Green

Look who are 9 wins in the conference are against:

Buffalo 2
NIU 2
Ball State 1
CMU 1
EMU 1 (miracle…should have been an “L”)
WMU 1
UMASS 1

It’s pathetic.
Last Edited: 3/1/2026 9:16:09 AM by FearLeon
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Posted: 3/1/2026 9:22 AM
Beat me to it Leon. Ohio is 0-6 v. DI teams from the state of Ohio. All losses by 10 or more points. Unfortunately, only 2 of the 8 teams making it to Cleveland are from out of state, making it impossible for Ohio to face 3 non-Ohio teams in consecutive games.

On a positive note, Ohio is 2-0 v. non-DI teams from Ohio this season, winning by an average of 38 points!

Edit: Was just reminded in another thread that Ohio went 0-2 v. in-state DI schools in our scrimmages v. Wright St. and o$u.
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Posted: 3/1/2026 9:53 AM
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Beat me to it Leon. Ohio is 0-6 v. DI teams from the state of Ohio. All losses by 10 or more points. Unfortunately, only 2 of the 8 teams making it to Cleveland are from out of state, making it impossible for Ohio to face 3 non-Ohio teams in consecutive games.

On a positive note, Ohio is 2-0 v. non-DI teams from Ohio this season, winning by an average of 38 points!
This depresses me. What really depresses me is that I was blah through this entire game--even during our comeback because I knew we'd screw it up. I am ready for this horrible season to be over and that is sad. I live and die by the Bobcats and Boals and this group has stripped the joy away. Watching Hadaway has been the worst thing I can think of since Bean Willis. Total destruction of this roster of everyone but Kelly, Fisher and Mosely needs to happen.
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Posted: 3/1/2026 10:06 AM
bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
Beat me to it Leon. Ohio is 0-6 v. DI teams from the state of Ohio. All losses by 10 or more points. Unfortunately, only 2 of the 8 teams making it to Cleveland are from out of state, making it impossible for Ohio to face 3 non-Ohio teams in consecutive games.

On a positive note, Ohio is 2-0 v. non-DI teams from Ohio this season, winning by an average of 38 points!
+1,000,000
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Posted: 3/1/2026 10:07 AM
Bobcat1998 wrote:expand_more
Beat me to it Leon. Ohio is 0-6 v. DI teams from the state of Ohio. All losses by 10 or more points. Unfortunately, only 2 of the 8 teams making it to Cleveland are from out of state, making it impossible for Ohio to face 3 non-Ohio teams in consecutive games.

On a positive note, Ohio is 2-0 v. non-DI teams from Ohio this season, winning by an average of 38 points!
Total destruction of this roster of everyone but Kelly, Fisher and Mosely needs to happen.
+1,000,000
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Posted: 3/1/2026 10:55 AM
I have been saying for a long time now that Boals is checked out. Being a head coach in the NIL/Portal era is not for him. Go to a top-30 program and become the top assistant again. With that said and if true, any chance Boals goes to the AD after the season and says I’m burned out and want out, but I still want to help the program and let’s discuss lowering the buyout for last two years? Maybe I am in dream land here.
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Posted: 3/1/2026 12:28 PM
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Sidebar observation from Senior Day...my God how many Managers does this team have? Is there a limit to how many you can have? They don't all travel with the team do they?
I counted 17 during the National Anthem. Not including Chase Boals, whose job appears to be chatting up the assistants during timeouts.
One babysitter for each player.
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Posted: 3/1/2026 6:42 PM
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Sidebar observation from Senior Day...my God how many Managers does this team have? Is there a limit to how many you can have? They don't all travel with the team do they?
I counted 17 during the National Anthem. Not including Chase Boals, whose job appears to be chatting up the assistants during timeouts.
One babysitter for each player.
No different than NC-AAU. Each player gets 3 handlers. The manager, the bag/money man, and the hype man. They all take 15%.
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Posted: 3/2/2026 10:41 AM
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We’ve reached rock bottom.
Ok. Watching the first fifteen minutes of the most recent addition of Toledo beating us down was kinda like watching a bunch of make a wish kids getting to play division I basketball.

We are currently in fifth in our conference. Even if we didn't suck this is Miami's year and Akron is a solid 2 seed in the NIT.

Who knows we may go on a four or five game winning streak from here, though based upon what I've seen I wouldn't bet any fat hogs on that happening.

Next season when we are 5-25 that is when we will be ROCK BOTTOM!!!
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Posted: 3/2/2026 1:44 PM
It's so frustrating to see the ball get "stuck" so much with this team. Guys like Pavs and sometimes Simmons can score effectively enough that it glosses over the ball not moving. How many times do we see guys on this team (mainly Pavs, Simmons, and Hadaway) dribble the ball to death, go 1v1, and force a contested shot? This happened a lot against Toledo, and that first 12-14 minutes of the 1st half when Simmons and Pavs weren't making shots was where the game was lost. A bad defensive team can't afford to fall behind by 20+ points and expect to come back. It was a minor miracle we made it as close as we did late.
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Posted: 3/2/2026 1:53 PM
100%Cat wrote:expand_more
It's so frustrating to see the ball get "stuck" so much with this team. Guys like Pavs and sometimes Simmons can score effectively enough that it glosses over the ball not moving. How many times do we see guys on this team (mainly Pavs, Simmons, and Hadaway) dribble the ball to death, go 1v1, and force a contested shot? This happened a lot against Toledo, and that first 12-14 minutes of the 1st half when Simmons and Pavs weren't making shots was where the game was lost. A bad defensive team can't afford to fall behind by 20+ points and expect to come back. It was a minor miracle we made it as close as we did late.
After researching I was actually shocked to learn that Boals' teams on average score more than Saul Phillips' teams did. Say what you want about Saul's coaching prowess, but at least on the offensive end it felt like there was some type of gameplan. They actually ran set plays. There were definitely times it bogged down, but at least they knew what they were doing. I'd argue that Saul's biggest problem (other than recruiting whiffs) was being so stubborn in playing strictly man-to-man defense and never switching it up to keep the opposition honest.

These Boals teams are so hard to watch and largely have been smoke and mirrors offensively during the beginning part of his tenure because of great PG play behind Preston and Sears, then to a lesser degree with Hunter and Paveletzke. Ben Vander Plas being as versatile as he was both inside and out glossed over a lot of inefficiencies as well. We saw it come to a grinding halt with AJ Clayton almost refusing to play in the paint as a big man. Simmons and Hadaway should be a lethal in/out combo, or at the very least, play some HI/LOW which is absolutely unheard of in this day and age. Hard to do that though when the gameplan seems to be "get good players open shots" but with the faintest idea on how to do it other than go 1v1.
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