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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
11/20/2025 12:44 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Where are you getting your figures in what we are providing in revenue sharing? Just curious if you know what we are doling out.
I didn't provide figures about what we're paying out. I said we can pay out up to 22%. I don't know what we're paying out.
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SBH
11/20/2025 1:28 PM
JAF wrote:expand_more
This is what happens when you try to be everything to everybody. In the NIL environment, we cannot sustain high levels of Football and Basketball. Football is a fool's errand. There is no way any MAC team can compete with a P5 conference. Pool the resources, go down to an FCS football program and transition to a strong basketball-only DI conference. The twin headwinds of mid-major revenue and Athens' county demographics make this an easy decision.
The Redhawks do it with football, basketball and hockey.
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rpbobcat
11/20/2025 1:35 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
I don't know if they changed the name, but seems to me that "punch card park"
would be a good location for a practice facility.
Presumably, I think it's pretty cool that we have a park designed by one of the most influential artists of the last 100 years, who also happens to me from Athens. Tear down Scott Quad, and folks here pretend it's on par with quads at Oxford. A custom designed park from AC Athens resident who designed the Vietnam Memorial, Civil Rights Memorial, and is widely regarded as a generational talent? Tear it down for a practice court.

Getting rid of that for a practice court would be very dumb in my mind. There are plenty of other sites you can put a practice court. It's not like Athens is pressed for space.
It should also be noted that the former McBee Company in Athens was one of the first U.S. companies to use Hollerith Cards (punch cards). They were part of its Keysort System developed around 1906. So, punch card park represents more than just an art object it's reminder of an important part of Athens history.
Problem is, unless you're looking down on it you can't tell what its supposed to be.
I respect what the artist has done, but "punch card park" doesn't approach her other works.
I don't think many people would object to repurposing the area for a more practical use.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
11/20/2025 1:58 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
Problem is, unless you're looking down on it you can't tell what its supposed to be.
I respect what the artist has done, but "punch card park" doesn't approach her other works.
I don't think many people would object to repurposing the area for a more practical use.
You wouldn't object to it. But it would be an objectively bad decision. There's plenty of space available. The fact that you don't like it doesn't mean it should be removed.
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rpbobcat
11/20/2025 2:35 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Problem is, unless you're looking down on it you can't tell what its supposed to be.
I respect what the artist has done, but "punch card park" doesn't approach her other works.
I don't think many people would object to repurposing the area for a more practical use.
You wouldn't object to it. But it would be an objectively bad decision. There's plenty of space available. The fact that you don't like it doesn't mean it should be removed.
Like has nothing to do with it.

I don't understand the logic of keeping the park when you can't tell what it is unless you're on a high ladder or balcony.

The only reason I think O.U. would to keep it is because of who did the design.

Its not a matter of available space.

There are lots of places on campus they could put it.

The park is an ideal location for a practice facility.

You would want it at location that's convenient to the Convo.

The park is a perfect location for that.

If you're not going to attach it to Ping, where else works better ?
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CatsUp
11/20/2025 2:35 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Problem is, unless you're looking down on it you can't tell what its supposed to be.
I respect what the artist has done, but "punch card park" doesn't approach her other works.
I don't think many people would object to repurposing the area for a more practical use.
You wouldn't object to it. But it would be an objectively bad decision. There's plenty of space available. The fact that you don't like it doesn't mean it should be removed.
What if a lot of (most?) people don’t think it ever was a particularly good use of space and think it should be repurposed?
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rpbobcat
11/20/2025 2:40 PM
+1
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Buckeye to Bobcat
11/20/2025 2:43 PM
CatsUp wrote:expand_more
Problem is, unless you're looking down on it you can't tell what its supposed to be.
I respect what the artist has done, but "punch card park" doesn't approach her other works.
I don't think many people would object to repurposing the area for a more practical use.
You wouldn't object to it. But it would be an objectively bad decision. There's plenty of space available. The fact that you don't like it doesn't mean it should be removed.
What if a lot of (most?) people don’t think it ever was a particularly good use of space and think it should be repurposed?
+1....that whole thing gives me Michael Caine and Jaws: Revenge vibes as to her effort and the result.....
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
11/20/2025 2:56 PM
CatsUp wrote:expand_more
What if a lot of (most?) people don’t think it ever was a particularly good use of space and think it should be repurposed?
Then a lot of people are gonna continue to think it's not a good use of space.
Last Edited: 11/20/2025 3:05:34 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
11/20/2025 3:05 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
Like has nothing to do with it.

I don't understand the logic of keeping the park when you can't tell what it is unless you're on a high ladder or balcony. [/QUOTE]You say "like" has nothing to do with it, and then your explanation of why it should be repurposed is based on your opinion of the park's design.

It feels like "like" has everything to do with it.

The only reason I think O.U. would to keep it is because of who did the design.
That's part of it, yeah. I get it's not the most popular design, but literally every single argument you and OCF tried to make about Scott Quad applies more aptly to a Maya Lin sculpture than it does to Scott Quad.


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Its not a matter of available space.

There are lots of places on campus they could put it.

The park is an ideal location for a practice facility.

You would want it at location that's convenient to the Convo.
If you read between the lines of what SBH is saying, it sounds like we're 7 years out from the Convo being very, very different. I don't know the plans, but I do suspect the footprint of the Convo coupled with the area behind the Convo along Schaeffer Street and the Tailgreat park area present plenty of space for a practice facility.
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rpbobcat
11/20/2025 3:37 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Like has nothing to do with it.

I don't understand the logic of keeping the park when you can't tell what it is unless you're on a high ladder or balcony.
You say "like" has nothing to do with it, and then your explanation of why it should be repurposed is based on your opinion of the park's design.

It feels like "like" has everything to do with it.

The only reason I think O.U. would to keep it is because of who did the design.
That's part of it, yeah. I get it's not the most popular design, but literally every single argument you and OCF tried to make about Scott Quad applies more aptly to a Maya Lin sculpture than it does to Scott Quad.


Its not a matter of available space.

There are lots of places on campus they could put it.

The park is an ideal location for a practice facility.

You would want it at location that's convenient to the Convo.
If you read between the lines of what SBH is saying, it sounds like we're 7 years out from the Convo being very, very different. I don't know the plans, but I do suspect the footprint of the Convo coupled with the area behind the Convo along Schaeffer Street and the Tailgreat park area present plenty of space for a practice facility.
Scott Quad was a historic building.
The park is far from historic.

O.U. just wanted Scott Quad gone.

O.U. seems to have no respect for historic structures.

The TB ward at The Ridges is a perfect example.

As soon as they took it down they said it may have been a mistake.

One problem with changes to the Convo is the fact that a lot of the land near it is in a Flood Plain.

The affects what could be done.

You have to comply with FEMA for building in a Flood Zone.
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SBH
11/20/2025 3:40 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
Like has nothing to do with it.

I don't understand the logic of keeping the park when you can't tell what it is unless you're on a high ladder or balcony.
You say "like" has nothing to do with it, and then your explanation of why it should be repurposed is based on your opinion of the park's design.

It feels like "like" has everything to do with it.

The only reason I think O.U. would to keep it is because of who did the design.
That's part of it, yeah. I get it's not the most popular design, but literally every single argument you and OCF tried to make about Scott Quad applies more aptly to a Maya Lin sculpture than it does to Scott Quad.


Its not a matter of available space.

There are lots of places on campus they could put it.

The park is an ideal location for a practice facility.

You would want it at location that's convenient to the Convo.
If you read between the lines of what SBH is saying, it sounds like we're 7 years out from the Convo being very, very different. I don't know the plans, but I do suspect the footprint of the Convo coupled with the area behind the Convo along Schaeffer Street and the Tailgreat park area present plenty of space for a practice facility.
Scott Quad was a historic building.
The park is far from historic.

O.U. just wanted Scott Quad gone.

O.U. seems to have no respect for historic structures.

The TB ward at The Ridges is a perfect example.

As soon as they took it down they said it may have been a mistake.

One problem with changes to the Convo is the fact that a lot of the land near it is in a Flood Plain.

The affects what could be done.

You have to comply with FEMA for building in a Flood Zone.
FEMA? That's so pre-2016.
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rpbobcat
11/20/2025 3:42 PM
FEMA still handles all the regulations for any construction in a flood zone.
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rpbobcat
11/20/2025 3:44 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
Like has nothing to do with it.

I don't understand the logic of keeping the park when you can't tell what it is unless you're on a high ladder or balcony.
You say "like" has nothing to do with it, and then your explanation of why it should be repurposed is based on your opinion of the park's design.

It feels like "like" has everything to do with it.

The only reason I think O.U. would to keep it is because of who did the design.
That's part of it, yeah. I get it's not the most popular design, but literally every single argument you and OCF tried to make about Scott Quad applies more aptly to a Maya Lin sculpture than it does to Scott Quad.


Its not a matter of available space.

There are lots of places on campus they could put it.

The park is an ideal location for a practice facility.

You would want it at location that's convenient to the Convo.
If you read between the lines of what SBH is saying, it sounds like we're 7 years out from the Convo being very, very different. I don't know the plans, but I do suspect the footprint of the Convo coupled with the area behind the Convo along Schaeffer Street and the Tailgreat park area present plenty of space for a practice facility.
Scott Quad was a historic building.
The park is far from historic.

O.U. just wanted Scott Quad gone.
They have a habit of deferring maintenance to a point where they say its not cost effective to repair the structure.

O.U. seems to have no respect for historic structures.

The TB ward at The Ridges is a perfect example.

As soon as they took it down they said it may have been a mistake.

One problem with changes to the Convo is the fact that a lot of the land near it is in a Flood Plain.

The affects what could be done.

You have to comply with FEMA for building in a Flood Zone.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
11/20/2025 3:52 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
Like has nothing to do with it.

I don't understand the logic of keeping the park when you can't tell what it is unless you're on a high ladder or balcony.
You say "like" has nothing to do with it, and then your explanation of why it should be repurposed is based on your opinion of the park's design.

It feels like "like" has everything to do with it.

The only reason I think O.U. would to keep it is because of who did the design.
That's part of it, yeah. I get it's not the most popular design, but literally every single argument you and OCF tried to make about Scott Quad applies more aptly to a Maya Lin sculpture than it does to Scott Quad.


Its not a matter of available space.

There are lots of places on campus they could put it.

The park is an ideal location for a practice facility.

You would want it at location that's convenient to the Convo.
If you read between the lines of what SBH is saying, it sounds like we're 7 years out from the Convo being very, very different. I don't know the plans, but I do suspect the footprint of the Convo coupled with the area behind the Convo along Schaeffer Street and the Tailgreat park area present plenty of space for a practice facility.
Scott Quad was a historic building.
The park is far from historic.

O.U. just wanted Scott Quad gone.

O.U. seems to have no respect for historic structures.

The TB ward at The Ridges is a perfect example.

As soon as they took it down they said it may have been a mistake.

One problem with changes to the Convo is the fact that a lot of the land near it is in a Flood Plain.

The affects what could be done.

You have to comply with FEMA for building in a Flood Zone.
Scott Quad was a brick rectangle that didn't appear in any promotional materials for the university. It was not historic. It was just kind of old.

We have a park designed specifically for Ohio University by one of the most important artists in her field ever. And she is from Athens. It's pretty baffling that you are simultaneously insisting that Scott Quad somehow reached the level of historic that requires preservation at all costs, but that something designed by such a significant artist should be replaced for a practice facility.

Pretty hard to conclude that you're doing anything but just voicing opinion based on your own perception of the park itself. Because otherwise, you're being quite inconsistent.

I assure you that in 50 years preservationists would be far more aghast about a Maya Lin park being destroyed than they would be about Scott Quad.
Last Edited: 11/20/2025 4:05:12 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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rpbobcat
11/20/2025 4:05 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Like has nothing to do with it.

I don't understand the logic of keeping the park when you can't tell what it is unless you're on a high ladder or balcony.
You say "like" has nothing to do with it, and then your explanation of why it should be repurposed is based on your opinion of the park's design.

It feels like "like" has everything to do with it.

The only reason I think O.U. would to keep it is because of who did the design.
That's part of it, yeah. I get it's not the most popular design, but literally every single argument you and OCF tried to make about Scott Quad applies more aptly to a Maya Lin sculpture than it does to Scott Quad.


Its not a matter of available space.

There are lots of places on campus they could put it.

The park is an ideal location for a practice facility.

You would want it at location that's convenient to the Convo.
If you read between the lines of what SBH is saying, it sounds like we're 7 years out from the Convo being very, very different. I don't know the plans, but I do suspect the footprint of the Convo coupled with the area behind the Convo along Schaeffer Street and the Tailgreat park area present plenty of space for a practice facility.
Scott Quad was a historic building.
The park is far from historic.

O.U. just wanted Scott Quad gone.

O.U. seems to have no respect for historic structures.

The TB ward at The Ridges is a perfect example.

As soon as they took it down they said it may have been a mistake.

One problem with changes to the Convo is the fact that a lot of the land near it is in a Flood Plain.

The affects what could be done.

You have to comply with FEMA for building in a Flood Zone.
Scott Quad was a brick rectangle that didn't appear in any promotional materials for the university. It was not historic. It was just kind of old.

We have a park designed specifically for Ohio University by one of the most important artists in her field ever. And she is from Athens.

Again, you're just voicing opinions here. But these are pretty objective facts about Maya Lin. I assure you that in 50 years preservationists would be far more aghast about a Maya Lin park being destroyed than they would be about Scott Quad.
Maya Lin did a phenomenal design on the Viet Nam Memorial.

Can you name something else that comes close ?

Scott Squad was historic, as a quadrangle shape.

The only one on campus.
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SBH
11/20/2025 4:10 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
FEMA still handles all the regulations for any construction in a flood zone.
Read the news? FEMA will not be functional much longer. Along with the Dept of Education and, dare I mention, the Dept. of Justice.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
11/20/2025 4:11 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
Maya Lin did a phenomenal design on the Viet Nam Memorial.

Can you name something else that comes close ?

Scott Squad was historic, as a quadrangle shape.

The only one on campus.
Are you listening to yourself?

Scott Quad's is historic because it's a quad and the only one on campus. But Maya Lin's status is questionable because, in your view, she's a one hit wonder with the Vietnam Memorial?

Build a quad and you have automatically built a historical artifact. Design the Vietnam Memorial and you're gonna have to do a whole bunch more to catch rpbobcat's attention.

How about this: Punchcard Park is historic because it's the only park on campus designed by Maya Lin.

Check and mate.

Your logic's impeccable, man.
Last Edited: 11/20/2025 4:12:45 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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M.D.W.S.T
11/20/2025 5:09 PM
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I don’t remember this being a particularly well-received take when I put it out there last year, but I’ll repeat it now as I still believe it has merit: if we move on from Boals (which I’m not necessarily advocating for), reallocate the resources. Instead of paying a new coach $700K, pay him $400K and put $300K toward some combination of NIL and a person to manage the NIL. Boals, and most coaches we would be going after if we were to replace him, aren’t innately good at fundraising/allocating money—this is not what they have spent their career doing and we shouldn’t expect them to suddenly develop that skill.
100% agree.
I'm sure there's a lot of data out there (quick search) to support my notion, but I think you're both well underestimating what the going rate for a good mid-major basketball coach is. Finding someone who is worth his salt as a coach that's interested in coming to Athens for $400k a year seems unlikely.

This link shows some salaries from the NCAA tournament that are public.
https://sportsdata.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basket...
We'd likely be looking at a first time HC in this scenario or a bounce back candidate.

As much as we'd like say "Finding someone who is worth his salt as a coach that's interested in coming to Athens for $400k a year seems unlikely.", there's still only so many D1 head coaching jobs that exist.

I think you'd really have to allocate the budget the way Bobcat Tattoo suggests. From my understanding, Chad Estis was the main cog in jumpstarting the 1804 Collective for Boals. I imagine he's a big donor because of his friendship with Boals. If we move on, we're at risk of losing Estis and anyone else close to Boals who had been donating.

We'd either have to structure a lower offer with an NIL budget or find a coach with financial connections at a higher rate.
Pretty fair assessment.


It's not as simple as saying I hate his offense. Time to fire him.

The stench of firing a former player, a guy who has routinely called this his dream job, a guy who has the only recent NCAA Tournament win in the conference, who has a 60% career win rate, will be hard to wipe off.


Simply paying a coach less and expecting more... ehhhhh... that paying a player or two $50K to come wear the jersey, but play for one of the lowest paid coaches in the country... is a stretch.

I'm not saying people are lining up down the street to play for JEFF BOALS, but that line is probably longer than recruits who simply just want to play for OHIO UNIVERSITY.

Nor do I think we want to get ourselves into a situation where we're renting guys for who dont want to be here as long as the $50K check clears. And they're off to the next team.

Jeff has always been a great ambassador of the university. He's got a lot of deep contacts in the basketball world. Naturally, you'll get the "well its one of 300 jobs", but if you're picking and choosing... one call from Thad, or Diebler, or another of the dozen respected coaches he's pals with in the midwest.... I don't see who we possibly replace with him.
Last Edited: 11/20/2025 5:14:21 PM by M.D.W.S.T
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SBH
11/20/2025 5:45 PM
Hope you realize virtually every dollar donated to men's bball comes from his friends/former teammates.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
11/20/2025 6:32 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
Hope you realize virtually every dollar donated to men's bball comes from his friends/former teammates.
Isn't fundraising just part of the gig at this point and something every coach has to have in the bag?
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BillyTheCat
11/20/2025 8:37 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Where are you getting your figures in what we are providing in revenue sharing? Just curious if you know what we are doling out.
I didn't provide figures about what we're paying out. I said we can pay out up to 22%. I don't know what we're paying out.
Everyone can pay up to 22%, but how many are? Where are we? Where are we compared to our peers. That’s my question. You toss around Jeff’s salary as 25% of revenue or whatever, then you randomly toss out a figure we aren’t even close too. We could do better by many actual upgrades or actual cash. So I’ll ask again, do you know what our revenue sharing budget is?
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BillyTheCat
11/20/2025 8:39 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
What if a lot of (most?) people don’t think it ever was a particularly good use of space and think it should be repurposed?
Then a lot of people are gonna continue to think it's not a good use of space.
There are money people whole like to drill in Yellowstone, because the parks purpose doesn’t meet their needs.
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BillyTheCat
11/20/2025 8:42 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
Like has nothing to do with it.

I don't understand the logic of keeping the park when you can't tell what it is unless you're on a high ladder or balcony.
You say "like" has nothing to do with it, and then your explanation of why it should be repurposed is based on your opinion of the park's design.

It feels like "like" has everything to do with it.

The only reason I think O.U. would to keep it is because of who did the design.
That's part of it, yeah. I get it's not the most popular design, but literally every single argument you and OCF tried to make about Scott Quad applies more aptly to a Maya Lin sculpture than it does to Scott Quad.


Its not a matter of available space.

There are lots of places on campus they could put it.

The park is an ideal location for a practice facility.

You would want it at location that's convenient to the Convo.
If you read between the lines of what SBH is saying, it sounds like we're 7 years out from the Convo being very, very different. I don't know the plans, but I do suspect the footprint of the Convo coupled with the area behind the Convo along Schaeffer Street and the Tailgreat park area present plenty of space for a practice facility.
Scott Quad was a historic building.
The park is far from historic.

O.U. just wanted Scott Quad gone.

O.U. seems to have no respect for historic structures.

The TB ward at The Ridges is a perfect example.

As soon as they took it down they said it may have been a mistake.

One problem with changes to the Convo is the fact that a lot of the land near it is in a Flood Plain.

The affects what could be done.

You have to comply with FEMA for building in a Flood Zone.
FEMA? That's so pre-2016.
Come a few months there will be no FEMA.
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BillyTheCat
11/20/2025 8:45 PM
Over the years, it’s amazing how SBH and Bs2 and myself can agree on so many topics. Some of you all got all the answers, but you truly don’t know any of the questions.
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