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Posted: 2/3/2012 1:58 PM
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Note Pomeroy's blog post. That's important.

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Jeff, can anything be read into on court/off court differentiation (Cooper and Offutt clearly have distinct differences).


Maybe. For DJ and Walt, that means when they're not on the floor (which is often at the same time), Ohio is often losing. 

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Would have anticipated Baltic having more of a spread.  Is that a result of strong sub coming in?  Kellogg at same level either on or off.  What would you conclude…if anything.


They are complementary pieces is what I'm taking away.

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Straight numbers would say Hall and Johnson should not be on the court – which is not the case, so I appreciate the “margin” is misleading.  Can you expand just a bit - Realize it is conjecture to a degree.  Thanks.


Straight numbers, yes. But if you look at Johnson's per minute, he's among the team leaders. He just doesn't have the volume of minutes. In my struggle with five-man +/-, I've noted squads with Ric tend to do pretty well.
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Posted: 2/3/2012 2:03 PM
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Thanks.
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Posted: 2/3/2012 2:46 PM
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Come on JSF, crunch the numbers.


I'm actually trying, but it's a very frustrating process. Play-by-plays feature incorrect and uneven subs. For instance, I'm looking at the NIU PBP and it says sub in for Smith and DJ and sub out for Ivo... who else subbed out? No way to know without looking at the video or trying to extrapolate it.


This sounds like an excuse, and excuses are for losers. Clearly if you weren't offending the poor people in section 3 by launching into antics and clearly criticizing officials *unfairly criticizing officials, mind you* you'd have plenty of time to go through each and every game tape and figure out how each 5 man squad performs. 

Of course you'd need to also map which 5 man squad on the other team that those numbers came against, because these +/- figures are absolutely and utterly meaningless, without an understanding of who they came against. Hopefully you'll get your act together and get those numbers posted so I can read them with my morning newspaper as I eat my daily bowl of Cream of Wheat on the davenport this weekend. 

/Swank'd
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Posted: 2/3/2012 4:07 PM
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HeHateMiami wrote:expand_more
Come on JSF, crunch the numbers.


I'm actually trying, but it's a very frustrating process. Play-by-plays feature incorrect and uneven subs. For instance, I'm looking at the NIU PBP and it says sub in for Smith and DJ and sub out for Ivo... who else subbed out? No way to know without looking at the video or trying to extrapolate it.


This sounds like an excuse, and excuses are for losers. Clearly if you weren't offending the poor people in section 3 by launching into antics and clearly criticizing officials *unfairly criticizing officials, mind you* you'd have plenty of time to go through each and every game tape and figure out how each 5 man squad performs. 

Of course you'd need to also map which 5 man squad on the other team that those numbers came against, because these +/- figures are absolutely and utterly meaningless, without an understanding of who they came against. Hopefully you'll get your act together and get those numbers posted so I can read them with my morning newspaper as I eat my daily bowl of Cream of Wheat on the davenport this weekend. 

/Swank'd


Hilarious.
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Posted: 2/4/2012 2:18 AM
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HeHateMiami wrote:expand_more
Come on JSF, crunch the numbers.


I'm actually trying, but it's a very frustrating process. Play-by-plays feature incorrect and uneven subs. For instance, I'm looking at the NIU PBP and it says sub in for Smith and DJ and sub out for Ivo... who else subbed out? No way to know without looking at the video or trying to extrapolate it.


This sounds like an excuse, and excuses are for losers. Clearly if you weren't offending the poor people in section 3 by launching into antics and clearly criticizing officials *unfairly criticizing officials, mind you* you'd have plenty of time to go through each and every game tape and figure out how each 5 man squad performs. 

Of course you'd need to also map which 5 man squad on the other team that those numbers came against, because these +/- figures are absolutely and utterly meaningless, without an understanding of who they came against. Hopefully you'll get your act together and get those numbers posted so I can read them with my morning newspaper as I eat my daily bowl of Cream of Wheat on the davenport this weekend. 

/Swank'd

Nearly squirted my beverage out my nose.  Davenport really made it, for me.
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Posted: 2/4/2012 9:22 AM
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HeHateMiami wrote:expand_more
Come on JSF, crunch the numbers.


I'm actually trying, but it's a very frustrating process. Play-by-plays feature incorrect and uneven subs. For instance, I'm looking at the NIU PBP and it says sub in for Smith and DJ and sub out for Ivo... who else subbed out? No way to know without looking at the video or trying to extrapolate it.


This sounds like an excuse, and excuses are for losers. Clearly if you weren't offending the poor people in section 3 by launching into antics and clearly criticizing officials *unfairly criticizing officials, mind you* you'd have plenty of time to go through each and every game tape and figure out how each 5 man squad performs. 

Of course you'd need to also map which 5 man squad on the other team that those numbers came against, because these +/- figures are absolutely and utterly meaningless, without an understanding of who they came against. Hopefully you'll get your act together and get those numbers posted so I can read them with my morning newspaper as I eat my daily bowl of Cream of Wheat on the davenport this weekend. 

/Swank'd


Got to admit, that's pretty funny.  The only corrections are that it's oatmeal and as late as my current carrier brings the messenger, I've moved from the davenport to the barcalounger.
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