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Voice of Reason
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Posted: 2/7/2012 4:19 PM
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I have a feeling that this move would officially dissolve CUSA or force the remaining schools to pull from MACesque conferences.  Ladies and Gentleman...I believe conference realignment dominoes game has finally reached the MAC. 

I am willing to bet Marshall will soon, if not already, sheepishly knocking on the door.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7551260/sour...
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Posted: 2/7/2012 6:19 PM
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It's a shame it is coming to this, especially considering that it appears the BCS is on its way out.
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Posted: 2/7/2012 7:24 PM
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Looks like Temple didn't make the cut again.  I wonder if MH55 will sheepishly be giving more credit to their MAC conference?
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Posted: 2/7/2012 7:50 PM
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Voice of Reason wrote:expand_more
I have a feeling that this move would officially dissolve CUSA or force the remaining schools to pull from MACesque conferences.  Ladies and Gentleman...I believe conference realignment dominoes game has finally reached the MAC. 

I am willing to bet Marshall will soon, if not already, sheepishly knocking on the door.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7551260/sour...


I don't think the MAC is a realistic option for Marshall unless Marshall wants to put less emphasis and money into its athletic department.  It will be interesting to see what happens on the college landscape in the next couple of years. 
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Posted: 2/7/2012 7:52 PM
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I guess the Big East has given up on the AQ status.  Memphis football is quite terrible now.  In the past three years, they have won a total of 5 games.  Take out the FCS victories, they've won 3 games in that same span...

And as far as C-USA inviting other schools to join their conference, remember that the C-USA and MWC merger is official (last time i checked, which was a week ago), so at the rate that they're loosing members, they may just merge into one conference.
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Posted: 2/7/2012 8:01 PM
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AQ status won't matter after the current BCS contract is up. It looks to be all but certain that we will be looking at a plus 1, which I bet will turn into an 8 team playoff a few years into it. All this realignment will be futile at that point.
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Posted: 2/7/2012 9:19 PM
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It's mostly about TV markets.  I'm sure they think Philadelphia is covered with Rutgers and Navy, and NY is covered with Rutgers & UConn.  They lose the #23 market in Pitt, but get #5 Dallas with SMU, #10 with Houston, DC (#9) and Baltimore (#27) with Navy, Orlando (#19) with UCF, #28 with San Diego St, and #49 with Memphis.  So with #14 Tampa (USF), #35 Cincy  and #48 L'ville, they have 12 top-50 markets covered, compared to five now. 
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Posted: 2/7/2012 10:45 PM
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The new Big East will become one of the biggest jokes in sports. It makes no sense, trashes many rivalries, and has no geographic identity (unless 'America' is an identity). I would much rather have the MAC than that collection of programs.
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Posted: 2/8/2012 12:36 AM
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The new Big East will become one of the biggest jokes in sports. It makes no sense, trashes many rivalries, and has no geographic identity (unless 'America' is an identity). I would much rather have the MAC than that collection of programs.


We complain a lot about the state of the MAC, but I have to say that I agree with this statement.
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Posted: 2/8/2012 7:04 AM
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The Big Least hasn't been about rivalries for b-ball since they went to 16 teams.  When you play 80% of your conference only once a year, there isn't much of a chance for a rivalry.  It's been about TV money and getting 9 or 10 teams into the NCAA tourney.
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Posted: 2/8/2012 8:24 AM
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I agree with Flat Tire that Marshall isn't about to "sheepishly" petition to come back in the MAC.

Not sure what the chances are, but an alternate, more realistic scenario would be for Marshall to push to get a few MAC schools, including Ohio, to align with some CUSA schools in a division of the new CUSA-MWC merger. 
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Posted: 2/8/2012 8:28 AM
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Careful.....

More than likely, Conference USA will raid the MAC and Ohio will be left out.

CUSA can invite Temple, UMass, Akron,  and Toledo.

CUSA East/North:  Marshall, East Carolina, Temple, UMass, Akron, Toledo

CUSA West/South: Sou Miss, Tulsa, Rice, UTEP, Tulane, UAB

Better than the MAC.
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Posted: 2/8/2012 9:23 AM
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The realignment stuff didn't bother me until Navy, SDSU, & Boise joined the Big East.  Man that is dumb...This is another situation where I wish the NCAA would impose more control over conferences.
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Posted: 2/8/2012 9:23 AM
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LoganElm_grad09 wrote:expand_more
The new Big East will become one of the biggest jokes in sports. It makes no sense, trashes many rivalries, and has no geographic identity (unless 'America' is an identity). I would much rather have the MAC than that collection of programs.


We complain a lot about the state of the MAC, but I have to say that I agree with this statement.


I disagree with this "joke" statement only because coming to the Big East has elevated some of the programs that are involved in it now.  Why couldn't that happen for a few of the new schools?  UCF is already pretty good and could get better by just having the TV exposure of being in the Big East. 

I do agree with the loss of the regional feel, but that situation got screwed up years ago when the NCAA lost control of it's member institutions.  The joke in this scenario is the way that the NCAA runs it's business, and allows football to run the rest of their sports solely out of greed. The simple truth is that the powers that be, including the big conferences, and the NCAA, or allowing football to rule and ruin the rest of college athletics.  THAT is the joke if you ask me. 

From the standpoint of a conference setup making sense to all student athletes and fans, I agree that the MAC is a better situation. 


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Careful.....

More than likely, Conference USA will raid the MAC and Ohio will be left out.

CUSA can invite Temple, UMass, Akron,  and Toledo.

CUSA East/North:  Marshall, East Carolina, Temple, UMass, Akron, Toledo

CUSA West/South: Sou Miss, Tulsa, Rice, UTEP, Tulane, UAB

Better than the MAC.


Here's a plan:  Ditch the Michigan schools, and add Marshall.  Go to a 10 team league...oh wait we can't because again, football is too "important".  Makes me feel sick.

I do agree that it's time for the MAC to begin to look more strategically at the teams in the conference.  There's at least one school who brings nearly nothing to the table for the conference athletically speaking.  Marshall would be a fine upgrade for a number of reasons.  Don't assume they won't want to come. The CUSA has fallen apart.  I also wouldn't assume that Ohio doesn't look attractive to go to the proposed conference highlighted above.  Good athletics, good academics.   We have a fan following that buys tickets. Closest to Columbus.  All good things to consider.

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Posted: 2/8/2012 9:52 AM
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The joke in all of this is the fact that the MAC has done nothing.  The leadership is satisfied with the status quo which is mediocrity and that is disappointing.  It's time to add teams at the top (Marshall, ECU, etc.) and get rid of the bottom dwellers (you easily find two that aren't as good as the CUSA adds).
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Posted: 2/8/2012 9:55 AM
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Careful.....

More than likely, Conference USA will raid the MAC and Ohio will be left out.

CUSA can invite Temple, UMass, Akron,  and Toledo.

CUSA East/North:  Marshall, East Carolina, Temple, UMass, Akron, Toledo

CUSA West/South: Sou Miss, Tulsa, Rice, UTEP, Tulane, UAB

Better than the MAC.


I don't see Temple and UMass leaving the A-10 in hoops. Even so, I think C-USA would want to be at 12 teams. So I would add Ohio and Buffalo to the list of invitees.
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Posted: 2/8/2012 10:14 AM
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Do we really want to go to C-USA, or would we rather strengthen the current situation?  Besides Marshall, what other teams would be both a regionally good addition - i.e. not a drive to Houston, etc. - and strong athletic and academic additions?  I think we all know the schools that really don't bring much to the MAC athletically. 
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Posted: 2/8/2012 10:44 AM
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No one has really mentioned this but even if we did get invited to CUSA, can we afford it?

75% of those games are gunna be flight games now, and games like UTEP, Rice, and the rest of that proposed West/South division are serious hauls. Just moving in bball could maybe happen, but I hate the idea of being in two conferences.  

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Posted: 2/8/2012 10:48 AM
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ESPN.com Article Linked Above wrote:expand_more
The exit fee from Conference USA for 2013-14 is $500,000 plus Memphis' share of television rights revenue, which is approximately $6.13 million, according to a league spokeswoman.


If that $6.13M for TV revenue is per year, that would cover the increased costs.  I believe that is what drew Marshall into CUSA to begin with.

On a related note, where is that much money coming from?  I hardly ever see CUSA games on TV!
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Posted: 2/8/2012 10:51 AM
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On a related note, where is that much money coming from?  I hardly ever see CUSA games on TV!


Most of the games are on regional broadcasts on either Fox Sports affiliates, or what ever the local cable sports network is like STO, Comcast Sportsnet, ect.
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Posted: 2/8/2012 11:12 AM
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They have national games of the week on CBS College Sports.
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Posted: 2/8/2012 11:18 AM
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The joke in all of this is the fact that the MAC has done nothing.  The leadership is satisfied with the status quo which is mediocrity and that is disappointing.  It's time to add teams at the top (Marshall, ECU, etc.) and get rid of the bottom dwellers (you easily find two that aren't as good as the CUSA adds).


http://woub.org/2012/02/07/macs-assistant-commish-weighs-conference-realignment 

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We're now at 14 teams for football, we feel really good with where we are for this 2012 season and being with 14 for membership.

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Posted: 2/8/2012 11:35 AM
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If Marshall wanted to come back (which they probably don't), I would support that move.  Other than that, I'm happy staying put.

Edit:  Temple can go somewhere else, for the sole purpose of getting that douche MH to permanently vacate this message board.

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Posted: 2/8/2012 12:02 PM
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The tv clip experts say this is a "new rivalry".  Obviously, all these guys are too young to know that UC, Louisville, and Memphis go all the way back to the 60s as members of the Missouri Valley Conference and they have been together in other conferences over years.  They are RIVALS already.
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Do we really want to go to C-USA,


I say hell no.  The marginal returns for joining CUSA are not worth completely flushing 70 years of history and tradition down the drain.  I would love to see the bottom teams in the MAC up their committment to their basketball and football success but I would rather stand with what we have than end up with a conference full of marginally better teams strewn all across the country.   Besides it's not like we are being held back by EMU or any other school.  Until we start being a dominant program we can't complain too much about the state of the MAC.
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