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Cooper had a great game, no doubt. But when we were up 8 and had missed a shot we got the rebound and had a new shot clock. Rather than using some time DJ did throw up a wild shot which missed. He went down on the floor and Akron had a 5 on 3 I think. That was the start of them whittling away at the lead.

Yeah, it's easy for me to second guess. But after 34 games, when you're the floor leader, you'd think milking the clock at that stage would be the likely choice. I'm sure his intent was to go for the jugular and get us up 10 -- but given the lower percentage shot he took that wasn't the best option.
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"Junior guard D.J. Cooper delivered a tournament MVP performance with 23 points, even if at times he was doing as much bad for his team as good. Inside the final four minutes, as a 62-54 lead trickled away, Cooper would launch NBA threes, dribble into rush-hour traffic in the lane and throw up wild attempts at the hoop, all with no luck. "--Elton Alexander

I swear Elton John could have written a better game story. I've never read an article before where the writer slammed the Tourney MVP so badly.

We get it Elton...you were rooting for Akron. My goodness, this guy is a joke. Does he not realize that OHIO loses without Cooper? This has me pretty ticked off. TOOL=Elton.

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What a friggin tool.

http://www.cleveland.com/sports/college/index.ssf/2012/03/ohio_holds_off_akron_64-63_to.html



Cooper had a great game, no doubt. But when we were up 8 and had missed a shot we got the rebound and had a new shot clock. Rather than using some time DJ did throw up a wild shot which missed. He went down on the floor and Akron had a 5 on 3 I think. That was the start of them whittling away at the lead.

Yeah, it's easy for me to second guess. But after 34 games, when you're the floor leader, you'd think milking the clock at that stage would be the likely choice. I'm sure his intent was to go for the jugular and get us up 10 -- but given the lower percentage shot he took that wasn't the best option.


Yes, not a great decision. But to base your entire first two lead paragraphs on Cooper's questionable decision making is poor writing. I maybe understand if OHIO lost, you go there. However, last time I checked: OHIO 64 Akron 63

#incoopwetrust
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Cooper had a great game, no doubt. But when we were up 8 and had missed a shot we got the rebound and had a new shot clock. Rather than using some time DJ did throw up a wild shot which missed. He went down on the floor and Akron had a 5 on 3 I think. That was the start of them whittling away at the lead.

Yeah, it's easy for me to second guess. But after 34 games, when you're the floor leader, you'd think milking the clock at that stage would be the likely choice. I'm sure his intent was to go for the jugular and get us up 10 -- but given the lower percentage shot he took that wasn't the best option.


And you think that should be the focus of the article?  Not that he was clearly the most dominant player on the floor last night?  Not the 8 straight points he scored when the game was 51-50, including huge back-to-back steals, that stretched the lead to 59-52?   It's one play where he was clearly trying to draw a foul and probably should have gotten the call that should be the focus. 

Frankly,I was getting more aggravated when we kept letting the shot clock get down to 10 before running the offense with five minutes to go.
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If you're gonna quote Alexander why not quote Coop also?

"That was getting to me early in the season," Cooper said. "But coach [John] Groce worked with me on that. I've got to take the best shots and the worst shots at the end, trying to make a play."

The guy is a journalist. He quoted Coop. And he tied in his story with what Coop said.

DJ is our best player, our go-to guy. But we also have posters here who post nonsense when DJ throws up an ill advised shot -- that to me is worse than what Alexander had in his story.

At times it seems people want to twist things into something more sinister than what is said -- same was with Dambrot's post game remarks regarding Groce. I'd say about 20 posts on the other thread that trash Dambrot were by people who either didn't hear his remarks or heard something second hand and responded with an emotional post.

I'm just enjoying the W ....
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Cooper had a great game, no doubt. But when we were up 8 and had missed a shot we got the rebound and had a new shot clock. Rather than using some time DJ did throw up a wild shot which missed. He went down on the floor and Akron had a 5 on 3 I think. That was the start of them whittling away at the lead.

Yeah, it's easy for me to second guess. But after 34 games, when you're the floor leader, you'd think milking the clock at that stage would be the likely choice. I'm sure his intent was to go for the jugular and get us up 10 -- but given the lower percentage shot he took that wasn't the best option.


And you think that should be the focus of the article?  Not that he was clearly the most dominant player on the floor last night?  Not the 8 straight points he scored when the game was 51-50, including huge back-to-back steals, that stretched the lead to 59-52?   It's one play where he was clearly trying to draw a foul and probably should have gotten the call that should be the focus. 

Frankly,I was getting more aggravated when we kept letting the shot clock get down to 10 before running the offense with five minutes to go.


Apparently that was part of his slant. I don't know nor do I care. The article in the Akron Beacon Journal will likely not bother anyone:

http://www.ohio.com/news/top-stories/mac-tournament-ohio-...

What aggravated me was when we built our lead up to 6 (I think) and then not once, but twice committed fouls out 30 feet from the basket. We put Walsh and Abreu on the line, which was giving them 4 points. And I think in one case the shot clock was down to about 5 seconds.
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Cooper had a great game, no doubt. But when we were up 8 and had missed a shot we got the rebound and had a new shot clock. Rather than using some time DJ did throw up a wild shot which missed. He went down on the floor and Akron had a 5 on 3 I think. That was the start of them whittling away at the lead.


It was obvious Cooper was looking to draw the foul on that drive.  The part that killed me on that play was everybody collapsed on him in the paint and he should have passed it behind him to Kellogg who was WIDE open for a three.  That was the same play where 2 of guys were knocked to the floor while trying to get the ball after Cooper lost it.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=320702006

Here is what a real story should look like in this situation.
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Cooper had a great game, no doubt. But when we were up 8 and had missed a shot we got the rebound and had a new shot clock. Rather than using some time DJ did throw up a wild shot which missed. He went down on the floor and Akron had a 5 on 3 I think. That was the start of them whittling away at the lead.

Yeah, it's easy for me to second guess. But after 34 games, when you're the floor leader, you'd think milking the clock at that stage would be the likely choice. I'm sure his intent was to go for the jugular and get us up 10 -- but given the lower percentage shot he took that wasn't the best option.




What aggravated me was when we built our lead up to 6 (I think) and then not once, but twice committed fouls out 30 feet from the basket. We put Walsh and Abreu on the line, which was giving them 4 points. And I think in one case the shot clock was down to about 5 seconds.


Great point. I think OHIO committed at least 5 fouls when bigs came out to try and create some pressure on their guards near mid-court. I'm sure Groce will address this issue in practice this week. Those 4 freebie points were crucial down the stretch and nearly cost us the game.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=320702006

Here is what a real story should look like in this situation.


Wow...complete opposite take on Cooper's play. Hope Elton Tool is taking notes. Thanks for posting this. Props to the writer on this one.
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If you're gonna quote Alexander why not quote Coop also?

"That was getting to me early in the season," Cooper said. "But coach [John] Groce worked with me on that. I've got to take the best shots and the worst shots at the end, trying to make a play."

The guy is a journalist. He quoted Coop. And he tied in his story with what Coop said.

DJ is our best player, our go-to guy. But we also have posters here who post nonsense when DJ throws up an ill advised shot -- that to me is worse than what Alexander had in his story.

At times it seems people want to twist things into something more sinister than what is said -- same was with Dambrot's post game remarks regarding Groce. I'd say about 20 posts on the other thread that trash Dambrot were by people who either didn't hear his remarks or heard something second hand and responded with an emotional post.

I'm just enjoying the W ....


Builcrap.  It's Elton that is twisting things.  His article is clearly slanted toward the negative about Cooper.  It acts like he alternates good plays and bad which is completely inaccurate. It's purely sour grapes and makes him come off like some bitter fan poster on the MAC board.  The ball is always in Coopers hands and the game is flying by 100 miles per hour.  It would be great if these kids made the right decision 100% of the time but it is far from realistic.  Cooper is going to mess up from time to time but the good so far outweighs the bad it's not funny.  Why not quote Dambrot who said that ""He does a lot of things you can't teach.That's what separates the great players from the good players." 
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OUVan...you've totally nailed it.
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He said things that we've said countless times on this board, and frankly if the game had gone the other way we would be likely criticizing DJ for shot selection.  My complaint with Alexander is that he didn't recognize some of the amazing shots DJ made.  When you score 20+ in a championship game, not all of them will be easy.  I'll never forget DJ working against Abreu (I think) 25 feet from the bucket and finally getting a small opening with one second on the shot clock and nailing the three.  That was a real dagger.  And he does that kind of thing two or three times a game.  I just hope the Cousy people were watching last night.
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If you're gonna quote Alexander why not quote Coop also?

"That was getting to me early in the season," Cooper said. "But coach [John] Groce worked with me on that. I've got to take the best shots and the worst shots at the end, trying to make a play."

The guy is a journalist. He quoted Coop. And he tied in his story with what Coop said.

DJ is our best player, our go-to guy. But we also have posters here who post nonsense when DJ throws up an ill advised shot -- that to me is worse than what Alexander had in his story.

At times it seems people want to twist things into something more sinister than what is said -- same was with Dambrot's post game remarks regarding Groce. I'd say about 20 posts on the other thread that trash Dambrot were by people who either didn't hear his remarks or heard something second hand and responded with an emotional post.

I'm just enjoying the W ....


Builcrap.  It's Elton that is twisting things.  His article is clearly slanted toward the negative about Cooper.  It acts like he alternates good plays and bad which is completely inaccurate. It's purely sour grapes and makes him come off like some bitter fan poster on the MAC board.  The ball is always in Coopers hands and the game is flying by 100 miles per hour.  It would be great if these kids made the right decision 100% of the time but it is far from realistic.  Cooper is going to mess up from time to time but the good so far outweighs the bad it's not funny.  Why not quote Dambrot who said that ""He does a lot of things you can't teach.That's what separates the great players from the good players." 


Was the article slanted towards the positive of Zeke Marshall?  Looks like the writer dissed one from each team IMO.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=320702006

Here is what a real story should look like in this situation.


Tom Withers is great at his job. It's not an accident that the Associated Press sends him to cover big national games too. I feel fortunate to have him working in Cleveland.

(And, for the record, he's a nice guy too!)
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He would ultimately even miss the last two free throws he took with 1.2 seconds left. But the Zips' last desperation heave was no good, starting a celebration for the Bobcats (27-7). As for Akron (22-11), their next game will likely be in the NIT as the regular-season MAC champions.


Elton Alexander is a... tool covering the NIT.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=320702006

Here is what a real story should look like in this situation.


Wow...complete opposite take on Cooper's play. Hope Elton Tool is taking notes. Thanks for posting this. Props to the writer on this one.


Elton isn't, I think we might agree, an intellectual heavyweight. 
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Guys, we Bobcats are all VERY happy today and glad to have DJ and the surrounding cast.  They have proven their worth.  However, what we are talking about here is not talent, heart or wins and losses.  What we lack at times is what those talking heads call "Basketball IQ".  I think I've learned to live with the bad with this team because of ALL the good.  They do make it interesting...
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Yes, it  was nailed above. Elton was rooting for Akron. He's mad we won and he's going to put us in a negative light. Pure and simple.
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that is a really good article

10K was good sized crowd after all the naysayers complained about the early sessions. OHIO and Kron repesent. Any thoughts on Kron and Kents crowds were the tourney moved. We Know OHIO will travel anywhere really.

Nick Kellogg was on the Tourney team? I thought Cvet was the Nik being talked about last night. Kudos. Cvet did not reall get starte much with our bigs last night holding him down.

Rebs 29 all, would not have thought that with the volleyball being played in the early going.

Walt took a couple of charges that did not get called to set up the one that counted. Good coverage inthe article. Little things don't show up on the stat sheet that are sooooo very important in the final outcome.

Elton needs to be lookig over his shoulder as there are some pretty good journalists in the area making him loook like a dope. What s his Bio anyway that put him in the position he is in?
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Nick on the All-Tournament team surprised me. I had Reggie in his place.

By the way, DJ missed the second FT on purpose. Elton would've known that had he stayed for Ohio's presser.
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Nick on the All-Tournament team surprised me. I had Reggie in his place.


Nothing to take away from Nick but Reg manned up, defended and finished shots at the rim both games and holding their bigs was sooooooo very critical= difference maker. I agree with that choice
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By the way, DJ missed the second FT on purpose. Elton would've known that had he stayed for Ohio's presser.


Or if he knew anything about basketball.
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