menu
Logo
Ohio Basketball Topic
Topic: Bobcat fans vs. MAC Director of Comm. Round 1. FIGHT!
Page: 2 of 4
The Situation
General User
Member Since: 7/13/2010
Location: Columbus, OH
Post Count: 957
mail
The Situation
mail
Posted: 1/31/2012 3:20 PM
JSF wrote:expand_more
But Manny needs to rein it in. I think he posts here.


I do post here. Mostly lurk.

As far as reigning it in, I most definitely will not. To give a nod to Thompson's post above, "... what exactly are we getting for our money?"

What set me off was JGuyMAC's tweet that he had no "say" in the decision. What he doesn't seem to understand is that his say was months ago when he didn't speak up that the best rivalry game in this fledgling conference is being played in Athens, Ohio. His say was when he didn't tell the Commish that Ohio University has the highest glass ceiling for marketability, they must be treated as such (yes, in a conference with no faces, it doesn't take a Rockefeller to see you need to make one).

I won't even get into the Temple/UMass debacles. The number one rule in negotiation is not negotiating until you have to.  But he also had his say when he traveled to all of the MAC schools in the fall and didn't speak up that Eastern Michigan must be let go (contentious topic but I don't respect an opinion to the contrary). 

There is no one in the MAC office that understands, there is no one that is capable of making any grown man decisions.

The easy choice was to put Kent and Akron on TV two weeks ago. Because STO missed out on our near capacity crowd, ESPN had no choice but to overlook us. All this conference does is make the easy choice. And I would gladly take anyone in that shell company out to lunch and teach them how to do their job.
OU_Country
General User
Member Since: 12/6/2005
Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County
Post Count: 8,401
mail
OU_Country
mail
Posted: 1/31/2012 3:28 PM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
.

2) Akron is not "leaps and bounds" the best program.  Maybe in the last 2-3 years.  Do you think they are THAT much better than OU or Kent over the last five years?  If so, why?

.


Uhhhhh

really? Painful but true. THey are consistently getting better milage out of their athletes and getting to the title game consistently as well as winning games on the road and at home. I don't like Dambrot but he gets those kids playing together and is now bringing in great talent with Zeke, Walsh, Diggs and some up and coming studs thanks to the on campus toruneys and suppor t by King James. Groce needs to figure out the way to win those recruiting wars and become the Butler, GOnzaga etc of the MAC. We have many things going for us....just got to get the full program elevated.


Painful is right.  People who are casual Bobcat fans don't understand why I "hate" Akron more than Miami.  They're better than Miami and have been for a number of years.  And they're obnoxious basketball fans.  Where I was going though is are they really that much better than OU and Kent?  I don't think they are, though the last 2-3 years maybe they have been and I'm just not willing to admit it.  Hopefully OUr guys roll thru the next month including that Feb 25th Akron game. (which I regret I must miss)

 

 

 

bornacatfan
General User
Member Since: 8/3/2006
Post Count: 5,752
mail
bornacatfan
mail
Posted: 1/31/2012 3:30 PM
The Situation wrote:expand_more
But Manny needs to rein it in. I think he posts here.


I do post here. Mostly lurk.

As far as reigning it in, I most definitely will not. To give a nod to Thompson's post above, "... what exactly are we getting for our money?"

What set me off was JGuyMAC's tweet that he had no "say" in the decision. What he doesn't seem to understand is that his say was months ago when he didn't speak up that the best rivalry game in this fledgling conference is being played in Athens, Ohio. His say was when he didn't tell the Commish that Ohio University has the highest glass ceiling for marketability, they must be treated as such (yes, in a conference with no faces, it doesn't take a Rockefeller to see you need to make one).

I won't even get into the Temple/UMass debacles. The number one rule in negotiation is not negotiating until you have to.  But he also had his say when he traveled to all of the MAC schools in the fall and didn't speak up that Eastern Michigan must be let go (contentious topic but I don't respect an opinion to the contrary). 

There is no one in the MAC office that understands, there is no one that is capable of making any grown man decisions.

The easy choice was to put Kent and Akron on TV two weeks ago. Because STO missed out on our near capacity crowd, ESPN had no choice but to overlook us. All this conference does is make the easy choice. And I would gladly take anyone in that shell company out to lunch and teach them how to do their job.
OUVan
General User
Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Bethesda, MD
Post Count: 5,580
mail
OUVan
mail
Posted: 1/31/2012 3:51 PM
Bobcat Love wrote:expand_more
Huh? Murray State has won 21 games straight and beat the two best teams in C-USA (USM/Memphis) plus Dayton. Saint Mary's has beaten a good BYU team (2x), Gonzaga, and an average Mo State team, while only losing to a very underrated Denver, and highly rated Baylor.

Those aren't bad resumes at all IMO.


Their resumes are almost exactly the same as ours except they are better teams. That is why they are the marquee matchups. Not because their schedules warrant it.  You completely tried to fit an arguement into a conclusion that you had made already. 
Last Edited: 1/31/2012 3:52:35 PM by OUVan
Ohio Pilot
General User
OP
Member Since: 9/5/2010
Post Count: 499
person
mail
Ohio Pilot
mail
Posted: 1/31/2012 3:52 PM
I dont have cable anymore because i use my xbox to watch Netflix and ESPN. Im one of those weird people that get on ESPN xbox every night and just pick games that look good or games that are really close and watch them. And I fell alot of sports fans do the same. Its nice being able to see all the scores of the games and switch to any one you want instantly if its close at the end or getting exciting. ESPN3 is much better than ohiobobcats.com just saying. 

That being said. Ohio got ripped off and im pissed just like everyone else. The MAC does nothing for us even though we have the best support in the MAC hands down.
bornacatfan
General User
Member Since: 8/3/2006
Post Count: 5,752
mail
bornacatfan
mail
Posted: 1/31/2012 4:03 PM
Ohio Pilot wrote:expand_more
I dont have cable anymore because i use my xbox to watch Netflix and ESPN. Im one of those weird people that get on ESPN xbox every night and just pick games that look good or games that are really close and watch them. And I fell alot of sports fans do the same. Its nice being able to see all the scores of the games and switch to any one you want instantly if its close at the end or getting exciting. ESPN3 is much better than ohiobobcats.com just saying. 

That being said. Ohio got ripped off and im pissed just like everyone else. The MAC does nothing for us even though we have the best support in the MAC hands down.


So this is the future http://www.firstrow.tv/sport/basketball.html according to the MAC?

we do support well.
OUVan
General User
Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Bethesda, MD
Post Count: 5,580
mail
OUVan
mail
Posted: 1/31/2012 4:21 PM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
So this is the future http://www.firstrow.tv/sport/basketball.html according to the MAC?

we do support well.


I actually use that quite a bit.
JSF
General User
Member Since: 1/29/2005
Location: Houston, TX
Post Count: 6,580
mail
JSF
mail
Posted: 1/31/2012 4:36 PM
The Situation wrote:expand_more
But he also had his say when he traveled to all of the MAC schools in the fall and didn't speak up that Eastern Michigan must be let go (contentious topic but I don't respect an opinion to the contrary).


Why would the head PR guy in a conference advocate for a school's removal? That doesn't make sense.

Quote:expand_more
And I would gladly take anyone in that shell company out to lunch and teach them how to do their job.


I would like to sit in on that.
Bobcat Love
General User
BL
Member Since: 12/21/2004
Post Count: 1,193
person
mail
Bobcat Love
mail
Posted: 1/31/2012 4:55 PM
Maybe the problem is slightly different then most of this group is making it out to be. Maybe the problem is that Dr. Steinbrecher has done an insufficient job communicating conference issues to the mass market that makes up his customer base. I'm not sure I understand Jeremy Guy's role.

Is he similar to the White House Press Secretary or is he just a social media wonk? In any case, a Steinbrecher State of the Union would probably be a welcome addition, or at least some twitter/FB Q&A, etc where he answers a bunch of pre-screened, sterilized, planted questions.

Again, it would be helpful to know everyone's role in this (and other) scandal before we go attacking the wrong people. Maybe it just comes down to Norby and Co making uninformed decisions even at the behest of Steinbrecher and Co. Maybe it was Jeremy Guy that failed. Maybe Steinbrecher. Maybe it was Memphis. Southern Summer Nights? You? Me? Sure feels right.
Ohio69
General User
O69
Member Since: 12/20/2004
Post Count: 3,124
person
mail
Ohio69
mail
Posted: 1/31/2012 5:04 PM
Me thinks The Situation thinks the MAC is in a much more powerful position with ESPN than reality.  Reality is they can live without us no problemo.  

And, the MAC is lucky to have Temple and Umass as football only members.  I know we don't like to hear it, but Temple and Umass bring more to the MAC than any other school in terms of potential exposure and ratings, and credibility.  A 10-3 UMass or Temple team will get way more publicity than any other MAC team.

anorris wrote:expand_more
My issue is the "well represented" line. The MAC is not well represented on TV.


You'd never make it in marketing/advertising.
I'm fairly sure you didn't mean it as such, but your post sounds like a compliment.


It was more a joke than anything.

OU_Country wrote:expand_more
2) Akron is not "leaps and bounds" the best program. Maybe in the last 2-3 years. Do you think they are THAT much better than OU or Kent over the last five years? If so, why?


- Akron has played in 5 straight MAC tournament championship games. 
- Akron has been in the NCAA tournament 2 of the last 3 years.
- It appears Akron's coach ain't going anywhere soon. The other 11 head coaches take off for middling places like Bradley and TCU.
- See bornacatfan's post on Akron recruiting and etc.
- Wins the last 6 years:  23, 26, 24, 23, 24, 23
- MAC wins the last 6 years:  14, 13, 11, 10, 12, 9
- Akron post season the last 6 years:  2 NIT, 2 NCAA, 1 CBI

They are now the dominant program.  (Replacing Kent State) 
Last Edited: 1/31/2012 5:12:14 PM by Ohio69
The Optimist
General User
Member Since: 3/16/2007
Location: CLE
Post Count: 5,611
mail
The Optimist
mail
Posted: 1/31/2012 5:15 PM
The Situation wrote:expand_more
But Manny needs to rein it in. I think he posts here.


I do post here. Mostly lurk.

As far as reigning it in, I most definitely will not. To give a nod to Thompson's post above, "... what exactly are we getting for our money?"

What set me off was JGuyMAC's tweet that he had no "say" in the decision. What he doesn't seem to understand is that his say was months ago when he didn't speak up that the best rivalry game in this fledgling conference is being played in Athens, Ohio. His say was when he didn't tell the Commish that Ohio University has the highest glass ceiling for marketability, they must be treated as such (yes, in a conference with no faces, it doesn't take a Rockefeller to see you need to make one).

I won't even get into the Temple/UMass debacles. The number one rule in negotiation is not negotiating until you have to.  But he also had his say when he traveled to all of the MAC schools in the fall and didn't speak up that Eastern Michigan must be let go (contentious topic but I don't respect an opinion to the contrary). 

There is no one in the MAC office that understands, there is no one that is capable of making any grown man decisions.

The easy choice was to put Kent and Akron on TV two weeks ago. Because STO missed out on our near capacity crowd, ESPN had no choice but to overlook us. All this conference does is make the easy choice. And I would gladly take anyone in that shell company out to lunch and teach them how to do their job.



The Optimist
General User
Member Since: 3/16/2007
Location: CLE
Post Count: 5,611
mail
The Optimist
mail
Posted: 1/31/2012 5:19 PM
FWIW, I think we are the strongest program.  Why?

When I think "program," I think fanbase and facilities...  We win that in hoops by A LOT.  Yes, we haven't had the MAC titles we would like...  Yet when was the last win in the big dance before OUrs in 2010?  It was Kent I think, what year?

If football didn't run things and it was all about hoops, we wouldn't be in the MAC.  Plain and simple.  Kent and Kron wouldn't have the fanbase or facilities for that.
Last Edited: 1/31/2012 5:20:23 PM by The Optimist
SBH
General User
SBH
Member Since: 12/20/2004
Post Count: 4,679
person
mail
SBH
mail
Posted: 1/31/2012 5:24 PM
Still waiting for Borna to answer the question I posed earlier today: Why do you say we're on the verge of "taking the next step" as a program? What evidence do you have from a talent and/or performance standpoint?






The Optimist
General User
Member Since: 3/16/2007
Location: CLE
Post Count: 5,611
mail
The Optimist
mail
Posted: 1/31/2012 5:28 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
Still waiting for Borna to answer the question I posed earlier today: Why do you say we're on the verge of "taking the next step" as a program? What evidence do you have from a talent and/or performance standpoint?

Uh....  We're 17-4 with everyone returning...

Speaker of Truth
General User
ST
Member Since: 1/26/2011
Post Count: 448
person
mail
Speaker of Truth
mail
Posted: 1/31/2012 5:36 PM
If we would have put the Miami game on TV, we would have had to change the time.  So that has nothing to do with the MAC.  The MAC does some dumb stuff, but all in all they've done a great job with putting together these TV deals.  Sometimes things don't work out for us, and as much as we want to believe it, we are not bigger than the conference overall.
SBH
General User
SBH
Member Since: 12/20/2004
Post Count: 4,679
person
mail
SBH
mail
Posted: 1/31/2012 5:41 PM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more
Still waiting for Borna to answer the question I posed earlier today: Why do you say we're on the verge of "taking the next step" as a program? What evidence do you have from a talent and/or performance standpoint?

Uh....  We're 17-4 with everyone returning...




Uh, we're maybe the second or third best program in a very average league.  He's talking about "next level."  Based on the talent we have coming in, I don't see any step-change improvements.  Yes, we're 17-4, but we haven't exactly played a killer schedule.  


 
Last Edited: 1/31/2012 5:44:30 PM by SBH
OUVan
General User
Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Bethesda, MD
Post Count: 5,580
mail
OUVan
mail
Posted: 1/31/2012 5:57 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
Uh, we're maybe the second or third best program in a very average league.  He's talking about "next level."  Based on the talent we have coming in, I don't see any step-change improvements.  Yes, we're 17-4, but we haven't exactly played a killer schedule.  


 


Or we might just be the best.
Athens Block
General User
AB
Member Since: 7/15/2010
Post Count: 201
person
mail
Athens Block
mail
Posted: 1/31/2012 6:05 PM
Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
And, the MAC is lucky to have Temple and Umass as football only members.  I know we don't like to hear it, but Temple and Umass bring more to the MAC than any other school in terms of potential exposure and ratings, and credibility.  A 10-3 UMass or Temple team will get way more publicity than any other MAC team.


Stop.... seriously... stop.

Maybe... MAYBE Temple adds a little exposure and credibility... But UMASS does NOTHING right now... Let's let them at least play a year in 1-A before we start singing their praises

Sure, maybe they'll be like Marshall and absolutely blow all of us out of the water when they come up... or they could be like Buffalo and be terrible for a good decade or so... but we have no way of knowing yet.  

And saying UMASS Football brings us the Boston TV Market, is akin to saying EMU brings us Detroit... Boston is a about as much of a Pro sports town as you can get...  I'll defer to D.A. but I'd assume many in Boston have no idea UMASS is even making the jump...
perimeterpost
General User
Member Since: 7/6/2010
Post Count: 3,165
mail
perimeterpost
mail
Posted: 1/31/2012 8:41 PM
Bobcats fans putting the MAC on blast, I love it, and I agree, we got hosed.

I hope this puts a big chip on the team's shoulder and they go ham on UNC- Ironton.
bornacatfan
General User
Member Since: 8/3/2006
Post Count: 5,752
mail
bornacatfan
mail
Posted: 1/31/2012 9:01 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
Still waiting for Borna to answer the question I posed earlier today: Why do you say we're on the verge of "taking the next step" as a program? What evidence do you have from a talent and/or performance standpoint?

Uh....  We're 17-4 with everyone returning...




Uh, we're maybe the second or third best program in a very average league.  He's talking about "next level."  Based on the talent we have coming in, I don't see any step-change improvements.  Yes, we're 17-4, but we haven't exactly played a killer schedule.  


 


SBH

sorry I did not see taht earlier

THere are a number of thngs that mey be intangible that are way ahead of 4 years ago...but.....Well you want tangibles and anything I put up here you are gonna blast  away at.....soooo I'm gonna take a pass. SOrry. Perhaps you can address the status quo and enlighten those behind the scenes (that never read the board) what you are NOT seeing in the way of progress....I promise to listen and not tear your ideas down.

Mind you I am with Love onthe 17-4 and that we have not played anyone of significance, that our players are not growing leaps and bounds inthe off season and that we are not dominating a league that I feel we should, and I think there is a slower learning curve than there should be in many areas andthat the fanbase as good as it is is way behind on numbers in attendance and support ........but the program as a whole is far and away moving in the right direction.....so ...let er rip as to why we are not better off .....
mcbin
General User
Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Columbus, OH
Post Count: 951
mail
mcbin
mail
Posted: 1/31/2012 9:36 PM
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:expand_more
Looks like we got his attention. 


  Jeremy Guy 
 
Made up my mind. Heading to the Bowling Green at Ohio game in Athens in a couple weeks. 


Whether our fans were right or wrong about the slight, our conference's media guy probably should get a little thicker skin and not disrespect the largest MAC fan base(in hoops at least). I don't take anything other than a poke in his comment above. Someone in his position needs to be more careful, regardless of what is being tossed his direction.

Just my opinion, but the guy (Guy) shouldn't have said anything if he didn't know the who/what/when/where's of the BracketBuster situation. If he heard 3 'TV' games and ran with it, and it ended up being EMU/NIU/Toledo vs Bryant/NJIT/Marietta on espnOcho.com, he wouldn't declare the MAC well represented on TV. So for him to do so without knowing the facts was a mistake. And his second was to not own it, say oops, or "I understand", and instead he let the situation fester. The third through ____ mistakes were for him to poke the bear with his tweets/re-tweets, and basically appear as someone who is absolutely not a director of communications for our conference.

I would imagine he regrets all that has happened here, but the snowball effect seems to happen much more quickly with social media.

I for one do get a little enjoyment that our fans are upset at a slight. It's because we care. Nobody around the rest of the MAC is speaking up because apathy rules most other places.

ben
JSF
General User
Member Since: 1/29/2005
Location: Houston, TX
Post Count: 6,580
mail
JSF
mail
Posted: 1/31/2012 11:27 PM
Jeremy had a bad day yesterday, but he's probably the best person we've ever had at his position.

The Optimist wrote:expand_more
Yet when was the last win in the big dance before OUrs in 2010?  It was Kent I think, what year?


Central Michigan, 2003. Beat Creighton.
RSBobcat
General User
Member Since: 8/23/2010
Location: Columbus, OH
Post Count: 4,504
mail
RSBobcat
mail
Posted: 2/1/2012 12:25 AM
Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah,...........Blah.

Just win the game. This year - and the next 5...........................
bornacatfan
General User
Member Since: 8/3/2006
Post Count: 5,752
mail
bornacatfan
mail
Posted: 2/1/2012 7:35 AM
RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah,...........Blah.

Just win the game. This year - and the next 5...........................


what is our BB record over the last 5 years?  We beat Ill St, Wright, Geo Mason,  IIRC, I am sure I am wrong on one of those as I cant remember for sure tho. As the home team we win then as the away as is normal in the NCAA,  lost some of those return games.....someone have that info right at hand.?
TheRealMikeDrake
General User
TRMD
Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Delaware, OH
Post Count: 300
person
mail
TheRealMikeDrake
mail
Posted: 2/1/2012 9:20 AM
Looked it up the other day.  I think we've been in 8 previous bracketbusters, after sitting out the first two.  Illinois State was a normal home/home schedule and not part of BB, IIRC.

@Butler-loss, OT
@Detroit-Win
Samford-Win
@New Mex St-Loss  TV
Mason- Win-TV
@EKU-Loss
Wright St- Win
@Winthrop-Win

Return games, we won Butler, Det (sweep), New Mex St, EKU, Wright (sweep).  Lost @Samford, and @Mason. 

5-3 in Bracketbusters, 3-0 at home, 2-3 on the road.  1-1 in TV games
5-2 in return games, 4-0 at home, 1-2 on road.

Overall 10-5.  7-0 at home, 3-5 on the road.
Showing Messages: 26 - 50 of 91
MAC News Links



extra small (< 576px)
small (>= 576px)
medium (>= 768px)
large (>= 992px)
x-large (>= 1200px)
xx-large (>= 1400px)