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Posted: 3/27/2012 8:37 AM
Have I mentioned lately how much M!@#I sucks? And will always suck? And is the complete zenith of suck?

Why do we have this thread when we don't even know that Groce is actually leaving?

Oh, that's right. Because M!@#I (and its fans) SUCK.
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Posted: 3/27/2012 8:41 AM
I am not sure where the comment on the Illini board grew to include thta Coach would bring a top State asst with him....I really look for him to go to the well again and pull Holtmann back in if he is smart. He does have to find a minority asst to satisfy the BOT and the minorities (I know I know it is ugly but true) just like he did here with Walker and when Walk left pulling in Williams. Boals would not fit that nor would Holtmann. It is not always about hiring the right or best man but making sure you satisfy the need for a minority presence. THat said there are a ton of minority guys who are really good candidates on their own, question being if JG has more than a passing relationship with them and if they are in the same coaching tree or share the same philosophy. JG does not see color. He sees ball players....... but when you are recruiting kids there are many parents who are militantly racist so you really need to have someone on your staff to relate to.....ugly but true.  

It is all very fascinating (if) when you leave and have to build a staff. I don't personally see any ties to the State staff. Boals and he did not share time together nor did the State associate head coach and he.....the Illini think they have an asst with major ties to Chicago but fear they will lose him...and the Chicago media and HS coaches are tweeting negaitively about JG and throwing down the gauntlet...."Good luck getting our players if JG is the hire" Just fascinating
 

 

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Posted: 3/27/2012 8:42 AM
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Yes ye trusty ole Athens "rutters"...dumpster diving and curb tossing since 1804. The yard sales just went up 1000 percent after spring move out day. My first opportunity to meet these fine lads was me moving my belongs out of my house and making the mistake of sitting my fine leather lazy boy recliner beside the U Haul truck instead of securely in it. Before I could finish a glass of ice cold hocking rivers finest tap water I heard a large  truck pull up into my yard. Needless to say I bet the seed of some of these pissed off gentlemen are here today..but with internet service.


For the record, the Rutter family, whose name has been bowdlerized to the generic "rutter", have indeed been in Athens County since the early 1800's, and their decendants still live in the hollows around Trimble Township yet today.  I went to school with a number of them, and above all, they are nice people who simply prefer a less stressful way of life.


One member of this family was in my high school class.  They owned a large chain of beauty salons.  Stereotypes, as always, are not very accurate.  We are better than this on Bobcat Attack. 
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Posted: 3/27/2012 8:52 AM
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Boals.


I have two questions...

#1 - Are we selling ourselves short by only targeting Boals? It seems too easy, right? OU Alum, OSU assistant where Groce learned his system under Matta so you would think Boals would have a similar system as Groce so it wouldn't be a big change to the players. PLUS you would think Boals would keep the current players happy enough to not leave Ohio,

#2 - So, he'll be named head coach next Tuesday or Wednesday?
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Posted: 3/27/2012 8:52 AM
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I am not sure where the comment on the Illini board grew to include thta Coach would bring a top State asst with him....I really look for him to go to the well again and pull Holtmann back in if he is smart. He does have to find a minority asst to satisfy the BOT and the minorities (I know I know it is ugly but true) just like he did here with Walker and when Walk left pulling in Williams. Boals would not fit that nor would Holtmann. It is not always about hiring the right or best man but making sure you satisfy the need for a minority presence. THat said there are a ton of minority guys who are really good candidates on their own, question being if JG has more than a passing relationship with them and if they are in the same coaching tree or share the same philosophy. JG does not see color. He sees ball players....... but when you are recruiting kids there are many parents who are militantly racist so you really need to have someone on your staff to relate to.....ugly but true.  

It is all very fascinating (if) when you leave and have to build a staff. I don't personally see any ties to the State staff. Boals and he did not share time together nor did the State associate head coach and he.....the Illini think they have an asst with major ties to Chicago but fear they will lose him...and the Chicago media and HS coaches are tweeting negaitively about JG and throwing down the gauntlet...."Good luck getting our players if JG is the hire" Just fascinating
 

 



That is fascinating, and quite honestly, it's something I don't understand.  Why would they have this negative approach on Groce?  Upset that he snagged a good Chicago kid and brought him to Ohio?

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Posted: 3/27/2012 8:59 AM
Why?  Because people are stupid.  Earth is a very big place with lot of small minds.....
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Posted: 3/27/2012 9:44 AM
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Gary Waters at Cleveland State would be a top choice. He is a great defensive coach with MAC ties. He built the Kent State program. At Ohio he would be able to recruit better players than at Cleveland State. Ohio is a bigger job than CSU.
I would LOVE to see Gary Waters coach here because that man is a fantastic coach and recruiter!! It was his players that made it to the Elite 8 in 2002.

But I don't see him coming here. Ohio is not a bigger job than CSU. CSU has an arena as large as Ohio's but is much, much newer, is nicer with nicer amenities. CSU has everything Ohio can offer, and because CSU doesn't have football, if push comes to shove CSU can probably offer more money than Ohio.
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Posted: 3/27/2012 9:50 AM
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Gary Waters at Cleveland State would be a top choice. He is a great defensive coach with MAC ties. He built the Kent State program. At Ohio he would be able to recruit better players than at Cleveland State. Ohio is a bigger job than CSU.


I would LOVE to see Gary Waters coach here because that man is a fantastic coach and recruiter!! It was his players that made it to the Elite 8 in 2002.

But I don't see him coming here. Ohio is not a bigger job than CSU. CSU has an arena as large as Ohio's but is much, much newer, is nicer with nicer amenities. CSU has everything Ohio can offer, and because CSU doesn't have football, if push comes to shove CSU can probably offer more money than Ohio.


That and the Horizon is just about on the same level as the MAC right now...unless Butler goes to the A10.
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Posted: 3/27/2012 9:55 AM
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Boals.


I have two questions...

#1 - Are we selling ourselves short by only targeting Boals? It seems too easy, right? OU Alum, OSU assistant where Groce learned his system under Matta so you would think Boals would have a similar system as Groce so it wouldn't be a big change to the players. PLUS you would think Boals would keep the current players happy enough to not leave Ohio,

#2 - So, he'll be named head coach next Tuesday or Wednesday?


#1- This could be enough but there's more.

#3-He has the reputation as a decent recruiter.

#4-We are obtaining more of the Big Manz type recruits and he coaches the post area.

#5-Maybe he's the type of guy alluded to in other posts....a bleedin green wants to stay  here coach.


Mollauts list was pretty comprehensive and no one jumped out at me.  I liked Boals goin in and no name knocked him out of my picture.  Some names like Alexander were intriguing....but none seemed a step above Boals.

I've seen him play and he was intense.....but one thing I like about Groce was his passion.....the end of his halftime NC/Ohio speech was "fight, fight, fight, fight, fight".....the guy lights a fire.....I hope Boals or someone else can do the same.
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Posted: 3/27/2012 9:55 AM
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
Gary Waters at Cleveland State would be a top choice. He is a great defensive coach with MAC ties. He built the Kent State program. At Ohio he would be able to recruit better players than at Cleveland State. Ohio is a bigger job than CSU.


I would LOVE to see Gary Waters coach here because that man is a fantastic coach and recruiter!! It was his players that made it to the Elite 8 in 2002.

But I don't see him coming here. Ohio is not a bigger job than CSU. CSU has an arena as large as Ohio's but is much, much newer, is nicer with nicer amenities. CSU has everything Ohio can offer, and because CSU doesn't have football, if push comes to shove CSU can probably offer more money than Ohio.


I also don't see Waters coming to Ohio, but as for the Wolstein Center, at least we're not trying to sell the Convo.

http://www.csucauldron.com/news/csu-trustees-mull-over-wo...
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Posted: 3/27/2012 9:57 AM
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
Gary Waters at Cleveland State would be a top choice. He is a great defensive coach with MAC ties. He built the Kent State program. At Ohio he would be able to recruit better players than at Cleveland State. Ohio is a bigger job than CSU.


I would LOVE to see Gary Waters coach here because that man is a fantastic coach and recruiter!! It was his players that made it to the Elite 8 in 2002.

But I don't see him coming here. Ohio is not a bigger job than CSU. CSU has an arena as large as Ohio's but is much, much newer, is nicer with nicer amenities. CSU has everything Ohio can offer, and because CSU doesn't have football, if push comes to shove CSU can probably offer more money than Ohio.


Being from Cleveland... Ohio is the better job, but Cleveland State can probably pay just as much and maybe more than Ohio. They are just different, Cleveland State is a pure commuter college so its just a different animal. Commuter College v University, Inner City College v full rural campus.

Plus Waters is older... he would basically be a Frank Solich type hire, which I believe would not fit with our basketball program.
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Posted: 3/27/2012 9:58 AM
From the list on the Miami board, if it comes to Groce leaving, I would be happy with Boals, Alexander, and Ron Hunter. I don't know much about Antigua, but his recruiting prominence and being around an elite program is intriguing.
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From the list on the Miami board, if it comes to Groce leaving, I would be happy with Boals, Alexander, and Ron Hunter. I don't know much about Antigua, but his recruiting prominence and being around an elite program is intriguing.


Bacari is sitting in the right seat and will jump at the right program. I am not sure of his overall philosophy toward the system. He is a detroit guy and would certainly bring that junkyard dog influence (and his twitter barrages ) to the program. I would see him coming here with an eye on going back to the right Michigan program. I would really like him to take over at Central and legitimize that porgram again with in state recruits. THey need him in a bad way.

Hunter is a great guy. Intense, funny, humanitarian and a players coach but I have never thought of him as a good recruiter or a graet in gmae coach. I think he would fit Fiami much better than us with his style, recruiting and persona.... I like him in that setting and hope they do make a play for him. His son just played in an Indiana State Finals for Pike HS. He plans on playing for Pops at Ga State. If it meant taking RJ I REALLY like him for Fiami....

I have maintained that the MAC is mostly making the right moves in hiring over the past 5 years, if you see me posting where I think guyys are great fits it is in the spirit that I want the MAC to become a gret conference once again and that willonly happen withthe right hires. (Jermaine deserves a really good shot at Miami HC position though, he bleeds Miami hooops) 
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Posted: 3/27/2012 10:28 AM
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Boals.


I have two questions...

#1 - Are we selling ourselves short by only targeting Boals? It seems too easy, right? OU Alum, OSU assistant where Groce learned his system under Matta so you would think Boals would have a similar system as Groce so it wouldn't be a big change to the players. PLUS you would think Boals would keep the current players happy enough to not leave Ohio,

#2 - So, he'll be named head coach next Tuesday or Wednesday?


As I mentioned in another thread, this will be a national search.  I know that Ohio is in the MAC, but there is no other job in the country where a coach can take over a Sweet 16 team that won 29 games and returns its entire roster, sans Goard.  Boals is a worthy candidate, but there's a number of other worthy candidates that would jump at this opportunity.  There aren't that many jobs that come open like this (assuming Groce leaves) where a high level of success is achievable immediately.  There's a lot in place at Ohio that simply isn't there at the majority of mids and even some majors across the country.  Schaus has experience with coaching searches and has done a pretty damn good job.  

Simply put, we'd be selling ourselves short if we just offered the job to Boals and that was that.  I'm not saying that he's not qualified, and in fact he may turn out to be the best man for the job, but this is an incredibly important hire for the future of the program.  We must exhaust OUr resources and find the right guy. 
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Posted: 3/27/2012 10:36 AM
I Love Boals because he is a Bobcat. However, I have never heard his name in conversations as a great recruiter? You have to be that first and foremost to bring talent into the MAC over the over hyped programs.

At least he knows what it is like to live in Athens. If successful, a Bobcat Alum might stay another 2-3 years before bailing.  
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Posted: 3/27/2012 10:42 AM
Agree that IF we need to find a new coach, we should not simply hand the reins to Boals.  There are coaches out there like Bobby Lutz at NC State that have been successful head coaches that may warrant thorough consideration (Not saying him specifically as I'm not sure his geographic background or system works with the current team - I'll leave that discussion to Borna and others, but that type of pedigree). 
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I Love Boals because he is a Bobcat. However, I have never heard his name in conversations as a great recruiter? You have to be that first and foremost to bring talent into the MAC over the over hyped programs.

At least he knows what it is like to live in Athens. If successful, a Bobcat Alum might stay another 2-3 years before bailing.  


Hmmmm Zeke Marshall to the MAC. I think that is a big deal. Too bad he left beofre he could coach him up. A lot of the current personnel at Kron came in under Boals......I know I know but, like Groce and Chris Mack, those guys are everywhere and highly visible on the SUmmer ball circuit. 3 of the hardest working guys in the business.

Like said above though ... I do hope it is a national search and we uncover every stone. Our AD is very good at finding talent....Wichita St had some really great unknowns come through and guide that program under his watchful eye.
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Posted: 3/27/2012 11:01 AM
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I Love Boals because he is a Bobcat. However, I have never heard his name in conversations as a great recruiter? You have to be that first and foremost to bring talent into the MAC over the over hyped programs.


Huh? He may not be quite as good as Groce as a recruiter but that's supposed to be his forte.
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I Love Boals because he is a Bobcat. However, I have never heard his name in conversations as a great recruiter? You have to be that first and foremost to bring talent into the MAC over the over hyped programs.

At least he knows what it is like to live in Athens. If successful, a Bobcat Alum might stay another 2-3 years before bailing.  


Hmmmm Zeke Marshall to the MAC. I think that is a big deal. Too bad he left beofre he could coach him up. A lot of the current personnel at Kron came in under Boals......I know I know but, like Groce and Chris Mack, those guys are everywhere and highly visible on the SUmmer ball circuit. 3 of the hardest working guys in the business.

Like said above though ... I do hope it is a national search and we uncover every stone. Our AD is very good at finding talent....Wichita St had some really great unknowns come through and guide that program under his watchful eye.


Agreed Borna.  I think Boals is a very qualified candidate, and the fact that he is a Bobcat is just icing on the cake.  However, if Groce does leave, we'll be in a much different position than most mids are when looking for a new coach.  We won't be looking for a coach to start from the ground up, as Groce had to when he was hired.  Instead, we'll be looking for someone who can hit the ground running, build on the success of the last couple seasons, retain as much of the current roster as possible (don't see this being an issue unless the guy is a total dud), and continue to build a culture of winning.  Much different than the job that will be required at Fi@mi.
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Posted: 3/27/2012 11:18 AM
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As I mentioned in another thread, this will be a national search.  I know that Ohio is in the MAC, but there is no other job in the country where a coach can take over a Sweet 16 team that won 29 games and returns its entire roster, sans Goard.  Boals is a worthy candidate, but there's a number of other worthy candidates that would jump at this opportunity.  There aren't that many jobs that come open like this (assuming Groce leaves) where a high level of success is achievable immediately.  There's a lot in place at Ohio that simply isn't there at the majority of mids and even some majors across the country.  Schaus has experience with coaching searches and has done a pretty damn good job.  

Simply put, we'd be selling ourselves short if we just offered the job to Boals and that was that.  I'm not saying that he's not qualified, and in fact he may turn out to be the best man for the job, but this is an incredibly important hire for the future of the program.  We must exhaust OUr resources and find the right guy. 


This is what I wanted to hear. Putting my green colored glasses on Boals is my #1 target. But while being a basketball fan I don't know all the hot assistant coaches out there that can be just as good or better than Boals.

Really, if/when this becomes official that we need a head coach. I hope the more knowing posters here can put together a dream/realistic list together for us. Looking at the Miami list I am not impressed with most of them... but then again we are a much better job at the moment than them. So I would expect the list to have different names (except for the few that they are dreaming on that really could be our floor of what to expect, ie Boals/Dickerson)
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Posted: 3/27/2012 11:38 AM
Don't forget that Lickliter won with JG's recruits at Butler

Saw that Mike Davis is out at UAB, Bleeeeecccchhh. Man is a great assistant but positively sucks as a HC
 
Jerod Haase on the bench last Friday at UNC is to be the head man there. High profile asst going to a high profile job. UAB will see better days under him.
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Posted: 3/27/2012 11:39 AM
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Posted: 3/27/2012 11:46 AM
=>Boals is a great fit for a MAC school and has proven to be a great recruiter.

He has MAC ties from playing at OU and assisting at Marshall (when Herdiban was in the MAC) and at Marshall.  He has all the Pittsburgh connections from his time at Robert Morris which eventually got Zeke Marshall to Akron.

And now with working at OSU, he has the BCS pedigree that most midmajor AD's want in their hires ("young and hungry assistant").
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Posted: 3/27/2012 11:54 AM
1).  What input, if any, would Groce have in the process?

2). Players on the search committee?

3). Safe to assume that it would not be a long process? (week?)  Yes, get the right guy, but also want to get someone in to start "working" with the team.
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1).  What input, if any, would Groce have in the process?


I'm guessing he would give his opinions on his current staff in his exit interview.  Other than that I would expect no input.
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