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Posted: 2/15/2012 10:34 AM
All the feature stories were nice, but I'm interested in learning the day to day operations of a basketball program. We had a big road trip where our players were away from Athens for an extended period of time? How did they pass the free time when they weren't in practice or film? And what was the mood on the bus after the EMU game. Those are what I would call an inside look at Ohio basketball. For comparison's sake, this piece by Caleb Troop is highly interesting to me:

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Posted: 2/16/2012 11:17 AM
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Puzzled by the amount of time spent on the 2009 run


When I first read this I assumed SBH just slipped up and said 2009 instead of 2010.  Then I finally got around to watching the first episode and noticed they indeed referenced the 2009 run.  I can't believe that mistake snuck thru the cracks.
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Posted: 2/16/2012 12:24 PM

As someone who has experience covering an NCAA basketball team, I'll tell you that the "inside" stuff you guys are looking for isn't what you think it is. The football show was so dynamic because it pulls from such a diverse and large population of players. When that pool of ideas gets cut down to just a handful of guys, the cool stuff you're looking for just isn't there. From my personal experience, when NCAA basketball players have free time, they spend it talking to their friends, doing homework, playing video games and running through their Twitter feeds. Road trips are spent in hotel rooms with strict curfews. Team meetings may feel exciting or fun because they happen behind closed doors, but honestly they are about as interesting as an entry-level math class. They cover logistics, scouting reports and go over some film, and that's generally it. For the most part, NCAA athletes live pretty mundane, scripted-down-to-the-minute lives. The most exciting part of their days, and the part that sets them apart from the rest of the student body, is what they do between the whistles, and All In delivers that. Also, remember that this video is made and produced by members of the athletic department. They don't get to be the "fly on the wall" in this kind of environment. Every second of video must be agreed on beforehand and approved afterwards. Before a "behind the scenes" video hits the air, it gets screened by so many different departments just to make sure the interests of the school are protected. Just to prove how fickle that process can be, a program I produced once had to be changed because a player was shown eating a bagel with jelly on it, when jelly wasn't on the approved list of things the team could provide players as a meal. So really what you see is what you get; if you're bored with the behind the scenes look you get, odds are you're not missing anything. Furthermore, nothing comes above the interests of the student-athletes. While it might be cool for a fan to see players upset after a tough loss, if the coach feels like it would be a detriment to the team to have a camera in the players' faces, then the camera goes.

People keep saying that these videos are impressive considering the products the other MAC schools are putting out, and they're right. Unfortunately you guys are looking at this through too limited a scope. If you broaden your gaze a bit and look at the world of college video, the stuff Ohio is doing is beating a lot of BCS Conference schools. In that community, there are a handful of schools that have what we would call a dream scenario. Those are Florida State, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M, Southern Cal and Florida. Those schools have huge budgets, huge staffs and the ability to draw in talented producers and videographers. Evan and Russ are talented enough to work for those programs, and they could probably make a hell of a lot more money there. What you're seeing from Ohio is the product of two really talented guys and their staff working overtime; really beyond what a group of interns and college students should be expected to produce. They have made the most of a limited budget, limited time, severely limited facilities and equally limited equipment. Ninety percent of the comments on here are positive toward Bobcat TV, but it's pretty clear that the 10% of complaints are coming from that previously mentioned narrow gaze. Appreciate what these guys are doing because the young, up-and-coming staff might not be here forever.

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Posted: 2/16/2012 12:45 PM
^Great post. Nailed it.
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Posted: 2/16/2012 12:49 PM
I understand all that. I guess I'm comparing this too much to "The Program" and "Hard Knocks". When it's your own people producing it and not ESPN or HBO, you get a different kind of show.
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Posted: 2/16/2012 1:15 PM
West State St wrote:expand_more

From my personal experience, when NCAA basketball players have free time, they spend it talking to their friends, doing homework, playing video games and running through their Twitter feeds. Road trips are spent in hotel rooms with strict curfews. Team meetings may feel exciting or fun because they happen behind closed doors, but honestly they are about as interesting as an entry-level math class. They cover logistics, scouting reports and go over some film, and that's generally it.



I'd still love to see some of it.  Watching the Caps-Penguins 24x7 some of the best footage was watching the players interact on the buses, planes or in the hotels.  Watching Sidney Crosby, Marc-Andre Fleury and others playing video games on the bus was interesting. Just seeing how the players interact with each other is fascinating to me. Things like who is the biggest practical joker and/or other idiosyncrasies would be interesting.

It's obviously a lot tougher to get stuff like that on college kids because they are going to be protected a lot more than professional players but I think the stuff that you described as boring might be a little more interesting than you think.

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Posted: 2/16/2012 4:26 PM
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As someone who has experience covering an NCAA basketball team, I'll tell you that the "inside" stuff you guys are looking for isn't what you think it is. The football show was so dynamic because it pulls from such a diverse and large population of players. When that pool of ideas gets cut down to just a handful of guys, the cool stuff you're looking for just isn't there. From my personal experience, when NCAA basketball players have free time, they spend it talking to their friends, doing homework, playing video games and running through their Twitter feeds. Road trips are spent in hotel rooms with strict curfews. Team meetings may feel exciting or fun because they happen behind closed doors, but honestly they are about as interesting as an entry-level math class. They cover logistics, scouting reports and go over some film, and that's generally it. For the most part, NCAA athletes live pretty mundane, scripted-down-to-the-minute lives. The most exciting part of their days, and the part that sets them apart from the rest of the student body, is what they do between the whistles, and All In delivers that. Also, remember that this video is made and produced by members of the athletic department. They don't get to be the "fly on the wall" in this kind of environment. Every second of video must be agreed on beforehand and approved afterwards. Before a "behind the scenes" video hits the air, it gets screened by so many different departments just to make sure the interests of the school are protected. Just to prove how fickle that process can be, a program I produced once had to be changed because a player was shown eating a bagel with jelly on it, when jelly wasn't on the approved list of things the team could provide players as a meal. So really what you see is what you get; if you're bored with the behind the scenes look you get, odds are you're not missing anything. Furthermore, nothing comes above the interests of the student-athletes. While it might be cool for a fan to see players upset after a tough loss, if the coach feels like it would be a detriment to the team to have a camera in the players' faces, then the camera goes.

People keep saying that these videos are impressive considering the products the other MAC schools are putting out, and they're right. Unfortunately you guys are looking at this through too limited a scope. If you broaden your gaze a bit and look at the world of college video, the stuff Ohio is doing is beating a lot of BCS Conference schools. In that community, there are a handful of schools that have what we would call a dream scenario. Those are Florida State, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M, Southern Cal and Florida. Those schools have huge budgets, huge staffs and the ability to draw in talented producers and videographers. Evan and Russ are talented enough to work for those programs, and they could probably make a hell of a lot more money there. What you're seeing from Ohio is the product of two really talented guys and their staff working overtime; really beyond what a group of interns and college students should be expected to produce. They have made the most of a limited budget, limited time, severely limited facilities and equallylimited equipment. Ninety percent of the comments on here are positive toward Bobcat TV, but it's pretty clear that the 10% of complaints are coming from that previously mentioned narrow gaze. Appreciate what these guys are doing because the young, up-and-coming staff might not be here forever.




i.e., don't critique (no matter how positive your other comments), don't offer constructive criticism, don't voice your opinion, because the producers are so talented and performing at such a high level given their funding and equipment that they couldn't possibly benefit from viewer input.   Got it.  That mindset will work well for them in the real world.




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Posted: 2/17/2012 9:24 PM
Wow. Just. Wow.

I don't know how you can stand to deal with such simpletons as our like.

It must take so much out of you to do so.
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Posted: 2/18/2012 1:36 PM
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As someone who has experience covering an NCAA basketball team, I'll tell you that the "inside" stuff you guys are looking for isn't what you think it is. The football show was so dynamic because it pulls from such a diverse and large population of players. When that pool of ideas gets cut down to just a handful of guys, the cool stuff you're looking for just isn't there. From my personal experience, when NCAA basketball players have free time, they spend it talking to their friends, doing homework, playing video games and running through their Twitter feeds. Road trips are spent in hotel rooms with strict curfews. Team meetings may feel exciting or fun because they happen behind closed doors, but honestly they are about as interesting as an entry-level math class. They cover logistics, scouting reports and go over some film, and that's generally it. For the most part, NCAA athletes live pretty mundane, scripted-down-to-the-minute lives. The most exciting part of their days, and the part that sets them apart from the rest of the student body, is what they do between the whistles, and All In delivers that. Also, remember that this video is made and produced by members of the athletic department. They don't get to be the "fly on the wall" in this kind of environment. Every second of video must be agreed on beforehand and approved afterwards. Before a "behind the scenes" video hits the air, it gets screened by so many different departments just to make sure the interests of the school are protected. Just to prove how fickle that process can be, a program I produced once had to be changed because a player was shown eating a bagel with jelly on it, when jelly wasn't on the approved list of things the team could provide players as a meal. So really what you see is what you get; if you're bored with the behind the scenes look you get, odds are you're not missing anything. Furthermore, nothing comes above the interests of the student-athletes. While it might be cool for a fan to see players upset after a tough loss, if the coach feels like it would be a detriment to the team to have a camera in the players' faces, then the camera goes.

People keep saying that these videos are impressive considering the products the other MAC schools are putting out, and they're right. Unfortunately you guys are looking at this through too limited a scope. If you broaden your gaze a bit and look at the world of college video, the stuff Ohio is doing is beating a lot of BCS Conference schools. In that community, there are a handful of schools that have what we would call a dream scenario. Those are Florida State, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M, Southern Cal and Florida. Those schools have huge budgets, huge staffs and the ability to draw in talented producers and videographers. Evan and Russ are talented enough to work for those programs, and they could probably make a hell of a lot more money there. What you're seeing from Ohio is the product of two really talented guys and their staff working overtime; really beyond what a group of interns and college students should be expected to produce. They have made the most of a limited budget, limited time, severely limited facilities and equallylimited equipment. Ninety percent of the comments on here are positive toward Bobcat TV, but it's pretty clear that the 10% of complaints are coming from that previously mentioned narrow gaze. Appreciate what these guys are doing because the young, up-and-coming staff might not be here forever.




i.e., don't critique (no matter how positive your other comments), don't offer constructive criticism, don't voice your opinion, because the producers are so talented and performing at such a high level given their funding and equipment that they couldn't possibly benefit from viewer input.   Got it.  That mindset will work well for them in the real world.


Really?
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Posted: 2/18/2012 1:53 PM
this belongs on that blog "First World Problems".
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Posted: 2/21/2012 11:10 PM
Thoughts on tonight's show? Thought it was pretty good - a bit more "inside" stuff at the apartment with Ivo, McKinley and Goff. Also, it's always more fun to watch highlights of 2 wins!
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Posted: 2/21/2012 11:59 PM
Anyone with a link por favor?
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Posted: 2/22/2012 12:04 AM
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Posted: 2/22/2012 12:07 AM
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Thank you kindly.
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Posted: 2/22/2012 9:49 AM
Vern Alden is great. 
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Posted: 2/22/2012 10:12 AM
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Wow. Just. Wow.

I don't know how you can stand to deal with such simpletons as our like.

It must take so much out of you to do so.


I think dealing with us is hard because there is just too much positive support for OUr team and OUr school.  We should all really stop that.
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Posted: 2/22/2012 9:59 PM
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That was awesome!!!   Great stuff.
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Posted: 2/22/2012 11:19 PM
fun stuff
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Posted: 2/23/2012 10:44 AM
Did anyone notice the goals on the locker room wall in this 3rd episode?  I thought it was fantastic that #1 is "Graduate from Ohio"
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Posted: 2/23/2012 10:59 AM
The thing that rings so true to me is how W. State Street described the mundane life of college athletes and coaches.

If you ask a college football or basketball coach about anything happening in the world outside of their team, they are pretty much lost. That's not because they aren't really smart, bright people. Getting 12 guys to play like a machine twice a week, keeping them eligible, keeping them engaged and traveling as much as they do takes total focus.

Focus is boring. It's also the key to life.

They remind me of the characters in David Foster Wallace's The Pale King, who are all IRS statement checkers. They are so freaking good at their jobs, so dedicated to getting every minute detail right that there's not a lot of color in their routine that makes for compelling drama. Really successful people often aren't interesting. That's why they're successful. They can handle boredom and apply laser-like focus where the rest of us go on bouts of ADD and need constant entertainment.

I bet Frank Solich's routine would bore the crap out of me. I'm getting sleepy just thinking about 10 hours of film-watching.

"Hard Knocks"  is creating drama and conflict and is helped because professional athletes are fabulously wealthy and over the age of 22, which inserts 100,000 gallons of ego and off-the-field ambition into the narrative. They're essentially auditioning for a spot on a pre-game show or an ESPN panel job on Hard Knocks.
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Posted: 2/23/2012 1:19 PM
Did you like Pale King?
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Posted: 2/23/2012 2:10 PM
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Did you like Pale King?


Tough to judge it given it being unfinished. But his chapters on the neurosis during childhood of the characters were astounding. Having a million little tics myself (and DFW being afflicted by sweating problems his whole life), they were cathartic and really powerful. Also he writes an entire chapter of a conversation between two people at a bar dealing with mental illness that left me slack-jawed.

There are other parts that needed an editor's scissors. But his suicide  made that impossible.
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Posted: 2/28/2012 9:25 PM
Was "All In" new tonight?  I figured it was going to be on at 9:30 on STO again like it has the past few weeks...looks like it aired at 8 instead.  I don't see it online either..was it new?  With the late Sunday night game, I figured it would be tough to get one produced in such a short time frame.
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Posted: 2/28/2012 9:32 PM
The release had tonight's show at 9:00. Not sure if it was a last-minute change that moved it to 8:00 or if it was just a mistake. It's tough to keep up with the showtimes moving every week. Sure would be nice if they gave us a consistent time throughout the duration of the show.

At the very least, it should definitely be online by now. Maybe it's not a new show this week? Somewhat understandable with a Sunday night game.
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Posted: 2/28/2012 9:39 PM
New episode up now

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