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Posted: 4/11/2011 10:31 AM
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I would almost bet that he won't get the job if and when it becomes open. It used to be that we would hire one of our own, but that ended with Dale Bandy. For one example, Bill Brown was a great player for us and had great coaching success at other places. They wouldn't even interview him in the past when we were conducting a search. John Rhodes wasn't given a chance, and there are others, but I'm not thinking of the names at this moment. If I were Jeff Boals I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Posted: 4/11/2011 11:03 AM
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but I'm not thinking of the names at this moment


As in Larry Hunter?
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Posted: 4/11/2011 1:04 PM
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I would almost bet that he won't get the job if and when it becomes open. It used to be that we would hire one of our own, but that ended with Dale Bandy. For one example, Bill Brown was a great player for us and had great coaching success at other places. They wouldn't even interview him in the past when we were conducting a search. John Rhodes wasn't given a chance, and there are others, but I'm not thinking of the names at this moment. If I were Jeff Boals I wouldn't hold my breath.


I don't think this is true at all.  Everything depends on the circumstances of the coaching change. When Bandy was fired we looked outside the program because the program was a mess. When Nee left we looked in-house to Billy Hahn because everything was running smoothly.  When Hahn was fired we went outside but with a home grown coach in Larry Hunter.  Since he was fired we went outside the program.  TOS wasn't fired but there wasn't a good feeling around the program so it was no surprise that we opted for a change and went outside.  
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I'm laughing off my chair right now forgetting Larry Hunter! Good point about how the winds blow. Depending on the AD and how they came up has the most to do with it. A moot point, as we have a coach.

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Posted: 4/11/2011 7:35 PM
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giacomo wrote:expand_more
I would almost bet that he won't get the job if and when it becomes open. It used to be that we would hire one of our own, but that ended with Dale Bandy. For one example, Bill Brown was a great player for us and had great coaching success at other places. They wouldn't even interview him in the past when we were conducting a search. John Rhodes wasn't given a chance, and there are others, but I'm not thinking of the names at this moment. If I were Jeff Boals I wouldn't hold my breath.


Again, Boals is #1 on Schaus' list.  When Groce was hired, we wanted to bring him in as the top assistant but he couldn't leave Akron for personal reasons at the time.
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HISTORY LESSON:

Case #1 -- Jim Snyder = Good Player (both football and basketball) and Excellent Coach
Case #2 -- Cleve Bryant = Good Player but Bad Coach
Case #3 -- Billy Hahn = Mediocre Player but Bad Coach
Case #4 -- Larry Hunter = Bench Warmer but Good Coach

Correlation between playing ability and coaching ability = not significant
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OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
HISTORY LESSON:

Case #1 -- Jim Snyder = Good Player (both football and basketball) and Excellent Coach
Case #2 -- Cleve Bryant = Good Player but Bad Coach
Case #3 -- Billy Hahn = Mediocre Player but Bad Coach
Case #4 -- Larry Hunter = Bench Warmer but Good Coach

Correlation between playing ability and coaching ability = not significant


Revisionist history....Larry didn't sit the bench the entire game.....as a point guard he could shoot and distribute....limited at being 5'10"....but he definately didn't sit on the bench for his entire career.

Bryant....sure...great athlete...crappy coach....like Pete Rose and Tony Perez.
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Forgot to read the first entry......Dale Bandy was probably in the top 5 of the greatest high school players from my alma mater....Portsmouth Clay...another one just finished his career at WVU....6'7" point guard Cam Thoroughman was played by Huggy Bear at the center position.

Dale Bandy was a great guard and a decent 6'4" shooter......back in those days at that size you  were like a  6'9" shooting small forward in today's game.....he's still coaching at the small college level.....great family who were close friends of ours.

Another player about the same size as Dale but with better speed and hops was Mike Haley ....led Portsmouth to a high school championship as a player....couldn't do it as a coach....also a former Cat.....a shame tht his 6'8" son with great b-ball ability is in prison for murder.
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In fairness when Coach Haley was at Portsmouth he was at the end of good health and the end of a good career. Coach Haley won several State Titles in the Dayton Public School system. No offense to Dale, but there was a bigger difference in the games of Big Mike and Dale Bandy!
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We have to be vary careful to judge performances on coaches at Ohio in this century..1984 when Robert Tatum made the 250,000 dollar shot against Ill. St..... That changed things..  Anyone who thinks that Billy didn't do well... too bad .. He was given a bad team and only one year to try to change"everything".  My Mother typed Billy's resume to go to Maryland under Gary Williams... Look what he has been doing lately,, one of the best recruiters in the nation ... He is a great asst. coach ... I cant believe nobody ever gives props to Franny!? Same coaching staff..... Good crew with Danny.
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We have to be vary careful to judge performances on coaches at Ohio in this century..1984 when Robert Tatum made the 250,000 dollar shot against Ill. St..... That changed things..  Anyone who thinks that Billy didn't do well... too bad .. He was given a bad team and only one year to try to change"everything".  My Mother typed Billy's resume to go to Maryland under Gary Williams... Look what he has been doing lately,, one of the best recruiters in the nation ... He is a great asst. coach ... I cant believe nobody ever gives props to Franny!? Same coaching staff..... Good crew with Danny.


Sorry - Billy Hahn was a terrible head coach.  His team was out of control, both on the floor and off.  I recall an Akron Beacon Journal reporter writing that he had never seen a team with so little discipline.  Center John Beauford shooting 3-pointers...ugh.  He wasn't fired soon enough.
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He was given a bad team and only one year to try to change"everything".


This "bad" team he was given included two future NBA players (Jamerson and Snoop), a very solid PG in Dink Whitaker, a solid big man in John Rhodes and good role players like Reggie Rankin, Jamie Brock, etc.

Billy Hahn knows the game inside and out and is a great assistant coach.
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We have to be vary careful to judge performances on coaches at Ohio in this century..1984 when Robert Tatum made the 250,000 dollar shot against Ill. St..... That changed things..  Anyone who thinks that Billy didn't do well... too bad .. He was given a bad team and only one year to try to change"everything".  My Mother typed Billy's resume to go to Maryland under Gary Williams... Look what he has been doing lately,, one of the best recruiters in the nation ... He is a great asst. coach ... I cant believe nobody ever gives props to Franny!? Same coaching staff..... Good crew with Danny.


Huh?  How was he given only one year?  Billy Hahn is an excellent assistant coach. He is an excellent recruiter. But he made a poor head coach. 
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Agree w/ most: Hahn was/is a great asst. coach, poor head coach. Love checking him out during WVU's game - always laid back, sitting in the first seat on the bench with his inside arm resting on the scorers' table. Always.

Which brings to mind - was Nee's staff in the early/mid 1980s the best at Ohio? In any sport? Nee, Hahn, Franny.

 

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randy wrote:expand_more
We have to be vary careful to judge performances on coaches at Ohio in this century..1984 when Robert Tatum made the 250,000 dollar shot against Ill. St..... That changed things..  Anyone who thinks that Billy didn't do well... too bad .. He was given a bad team and only one year to try to change"everything".  My Mother typed Billy's resume to go to Maryland under Gary Williams... Look what he has been doing lately,, one of the best recruiters in the nation ... He is a great asst. coach ... I cant believe nobody ever gives props to Franny!? Same coaching staff..... Good crew with Danny.


the guy can not even type his own resume????   Wow!
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We have to be vary careful to judge performances on coaches at Ohio in this century..1984 when Robert Tatum made the 250,000 dollar shot against Ill. St..... That changed things..  Anyone who thinks that Billy didn't do well... too bad .. He was given a bad team and only one year to try to change"everything".  My Mother typed Billy's resume to go to Maryland under Gary Williams... Look what he has been doing lately,, one of the best recruiters in the nation ... He is a great asst. coach ... I cant believe nobody ever gives props to Franny!? Same coaching staff..... Good crew with Danny.


the guy can not even type his own resume????   Wow!


He could have but it would have been really disorganized.
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Posted: 3/29/2012 10:53 AM
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No offense to Coach Bandy, but I was at Camp-OU when he was there.  A great attendance was maybe 2500 people and was considered the equivalent of a "sell-out" in the Convo.  Average attendance was probably 1,000 range or less.  The team was a joke.   We played a terrible schedule and continued to get pounded.   All in all probably the worst period in Ohio Basketball.  Sorry.
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No offense to Coach Bandy, but I was at Camp-OU when he was there.  A great attendance was maybe 2500 people and was considered the equivalent of a "sell-out" in the Convo.  Average attendance was probably 1,000 range or less.  The team was a joke.   We played a terrible schedule and continued to get pounded.   All in all probably the worst period in Ohio Basketball.  Sorry.


No need to be sorry......Dale was a great guy and decent player....but alas a not so good coach.
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False. I was there with Coach Bandy and your comments are way off base. That's what happens when you drink your way through school. Great guy and great coach. They did not give him a chance to reload after we lost 40 points a game in Skaggs and Joyce.
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False. I was there with Coach Bandy and your comments are way off base. That's what happens when you drink your way through school. Great guy and great coach. They did not give him a chance to reload after we lost 40 points a game in Skaggs and Joyce.


But his record over 6 years was not so hot.
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1979-1980 Ohio 8 18 30.8
1978-1979 Ohio 16 11 59.3
1977-1978 Ohio 13 14 48.1
1976-1977 Ohio 9 17 34.6
1975-1976 Ohio 11 15 42.3
1974-1975 Ohio 12 14 46.2
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False. I was there with Coach Bandy and your comments are way off base. That's what happens when you drink your way through school. Great guy and great coach. They did not give him a chance to reload after we lost 40 points a game in Skaggs and Joyce.
You'd know better than anybody his coaching ability, but he should have reloaded before those guys reached their senior year. The team left had good talent, but no big time scoring threat. I genuinely felt bad for the guy when the "Dump Dale" banner was unrolled at the one game. Not a way to treat a loyal servant to the university.
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In my opinion he had too much turnover with assistant coaches and recruiting suffered. We played good schedules and drew pretty well despite so so records. If I recall correctly, after Jim Rohr stepped down and Harold Maclheney took over it was as classic move of a new AD wanting his own guy. After 5 years he was average at best. He played for Snyder and coached under him for a long time. He probably thought he had more time to build things, but the winds were starting to blow the other way. We had always kept our own but that changed at that point in time. Dale knew how to coach and it's a shame he didnt succeed.
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False. I was there with Coach Bandy and your comments are way off base. That's what happens when you drink your way through school. Great guy and great coach. They did not give him a chance to reload after we lost 40 points a game in Skaggs and Joyce.


I arrived on campus their senior seasons and the attendance was much better than what was previously posted. I was at every game (except over Christmas break).  When class was in session we were never even close to 1K.
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